Tators,I think embarrassed Utahn has about the same proof about
denial that you do about the teachers unions being the problem. To quote you
"without any proof or evidence, you are simply spouting opinion and
rhetoric... which is never helpful for this type of situation."It is really easy to blame the big bad teachers unions for everything that is
wrong with education, and by doing so you live in the same state of denial that
embarrassed speaks of. If you want to look at the real causes for poor test
scores across the nation there are countless studies that show that parent
engagement in a students education is the single biggest predictor of academic
success. Other things that play a significant role include demographic issues
such as poverty, single parent homes, level of education parents achieved etc.
There are also school demographics that impact education as well. They include
things we don't like to talk about in Utah like class size. The one thing
that you did have right though is the need for a quality teacher in every
classroom, and by the way no teachers union protects poor teachers. They
protect teachers rights to due process.
@ embarrassed Utahn:I've been in many classrooms through out
the country.Trust me! Utah is one of the best.
This story may be a plant to force legislation through federal government to
convert education in the united states from free education to propaganda common
core education of the Obama administration so they can measure and manipulate
the testing to fake our quality.The united states lost the edge of
education when NAFTA and business desertion moved off shore and skilled workers
when broad eduction were beneficial and useful to industrial markets. Now the
level of education to work high tech production lines is less than 9th grade
education. We ahve married our schools with business and its time to divorce
this unity and put education and broad knowledge back in the class room.Forget smaller class sizes, the schools in Utah are deliberately over
populated to maximize greed. Its a cost effective risk annalist thing to pretend
that more students means fewer teachers, schools, and classrooms to build and
heat and cool and imprison students.Utah is always closing schools
where workable class size of 30 or less is present to punish teachers and
students in small classes. Small classrooms are not cost effective use of
buildings where room for 100 is possible.
@ embarrassed Utahn:This article had nothing to do with Utah or any
other individual state. But since you brought it up, what statistical proof have
you got concerning Utah "denial being over the banks"? That's an
extremely vague accusation. Without any proof or evidence, you are
simply spouting opinion and rhetoric... which is never helpful for this type of
One major cause of this ongoing issue is teacher's unions. They protect bad
teachers from being fired and resist any new programs that might create more
responsibilities for teachers. Teacher's unions are still
resisting the concept of vouchers which would allow public school students to
have more choice of going to better private schools. Many inner-city schools are
notoriously bad for their lack of results in teaching. A voucher system would
allow those students much more opportunity to receive better educations. The
facts are undeniable, and parents are begging for it. And yet the unions
continue resisting. Money isn't the issue, since the U.S.
already spends more per pupil than any other country in the world. It's our
system itself which is too politically controlled. Big teacher
unions supported Obama in his campaign. So now the nation's attorney
general, Eric Holder, is suing any cities, counties and/or states who try to
give parents and students more choices in eduction for students stuck in
terrible public school districts. With that type of digressive attitude,
it's no wonder whatsoever that more countries continue to pass the United
States up. And so it continues...
Remember also that in many countries, children are their parents' security
in their elder years. They have a vested interest in student success. Combined
with what I have learned about filtering underperforming students out of the
test pool, it stands to reason the data will be skewed. Interesting, though, the
US is still performing well in reading- something we might attribute to the
ubiquitous smart phones and Facebook popularity.
In order to build a business, you take the very best engineers possible.
It's worth the extra cost.Right now, the very best engineers
are not from this country! If your big companies, such as Motorola,
Ford, GM, etc, have twelve engineers,--ten of them are from other countries.
Not because they can pay them less, but because they are more skilled.European engineers designed many of our GM, and Ford engines. Germany, Japan,
and France make transmissions for many American cars. Toyota builds trucks in
San Antonio, and there are no American engineers in sight. American engineers
simply can't compete.
@RedShirtYour point is spot on. They are comparing all of our
students to their elite top. Doesn't work for an accurate comparison. Why
this is so hard to understand is silly.
To "embarrassed Utahn!" how about we adopt some of the same methods used
in other countries. For example, in Korea the elementary schools average 30 to
35 students per class, and highschool averages 40. In many countries you are
tested before entering highschool, so that the low performers can be sent to
trade school where they won't be tested. We can also figure out some way
of changing attitudes on education, we can make it a high priority like in Japan
or China.When you look deeply into this type of testing, comparing
the US to the rest of the world doesn't work because we educate all
children through the end of Highschool, few other countries do that.
I agree with JSB. There is so much at play here.
When I was a public school teacher, nearly every one of my poorly performing
students came from a broken home. It's easy to blame the schools and
teachers, etc., but I believe that if the divorce rate was significantly
decreased, there would be significant improvement in our student performance.
The denial flow in Utah is over the banks and this story won't change that.
I challenge people to sit in a third, or fourth grade classroom, and try to
understand how basic math is being taught.