Utah football: Ute coach Kyle Whittingham, AD Chris Hill on the same page

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  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:10 a.m.

    @ 54-10

    You're already "where you want to be." Just ask Chris B and countless others on these blogs. You wanted to be in the PAC 12, win or lose, and you got your wish. The pundits picked Utah 5th in the southern division and that's exactly where they are. You wanted to be fodder for the real programs and help Washington State up the ladder and that's exactly what you and Colorado have done. Your SOS takes the place of a bowl.....I like that! (And so should you because it's the trend these days for Utah.)

    Congratulations!! You have it all, right now!!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    That was last year. The fact that Utah still got 5 wins with a much more difficult schedule, and was on the verge of a few others, indicates that this year's Utah team is better than last year. Therefore it would not be surprising to see Utah pull out another win if their schedule had been as easy as BYU's.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:55 p.m.


    Classic BYU fan mentality. Avoid the SOS aspect (yep it does matter, it is in the BCS equation), do everything to avoid objective data (Utah beating BYU 75% of the time) to put more weight on subjective data (rankings:even though it is a number it is still based on opinion) and then say BYU is better.

    I get it, BYU fans can't stand that Utah has owned BYU over the past decade. It's true. Now, you can say that the Pac-12 has owned Utah, there is no argument on that over the past 2 years, the Pac-12 has owned Utah, but to say BYU hasn't been owned by Utah over the past 12 years just because some of the games have been close is just silly.

    Utah/BYU is a rivalry like a hammer is to a nail, the Utah hammer just continually pounding the BYU nail into the ground. It's great.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2013 4:04 p.m.


    The fact that Utah has finished behind in record AND ranking in 6 of the last 9 seasons is proof that one game does not a season make.

    It's laughable that Utah fans are claiming that Utah was "competitive" in the PAC, because the Utes lost a lot of close games, but then those same Utah fans claim that Utah has "owned" BYU because the Utes have won several close games.

    The hypocrisy and inconsistency is truly astounding.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    "Perhaps if we played the #32 SOS instead we would also be going to a bowl game."

    Perhaps not. Utah played the #41 SOS last season and finished with the exact same 5-7, no bowl record.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    Don't Feed the Trolls,

    That's a silly comment. Why not Matt Wells? Looking at your moniker...What are you doing today?

  • Don't Feed the Trolls Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    I'm surprised, shocked really, that it is reported Steve Sarkisian is being offered the USC job. Why not Whittingham?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Down under,

    If the AD and the Coach were complacent they never would of agreed to join the PAC 12.

    It seems that complacency resides in happy valley where your program will not concede any thing to get into a major conference and is happy traveling around the country playing who they can and settling for lower tier bowls.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 1:06 a.m.

    And herein lies the problem. Both the AD and the head coach are fine with mediocrity and so are many fans. If this is all you want out of conference membership good luck to you. Me personally would rather go to a bowl game every year in football and play in post-season in B-ball. Enjoy the holidays and March Madness in CB basement watching BYU and USU play in their bowl games and post-season round ball.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:43 p.m.


    let me run this by you

    If 2 teams play the exact same schedule and one is 9-3 and the other is 3-9 who is the better team.

    Yes your right, the 9-3 team is the better team.

    Sure there might be a lucky bounce in there effecting the outcome of one game here or there, but really, we know who the better team is.

    The fact that Utah has OWNED BYU is a fact conveniently forgotten by BYU fans in complete denial as to who the better team is. You my friend are the one blowing smoke.

    It goes to show that denial is not only a river in Egypt, but is also a fungus spreading through BYU fandome.

    Go Utes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:23 p.m.

    @ Swoop

    Why does that matter. This year, Utah played the most difficult schedule in NCAA football. Perhaps if we played the #32 SOS instead we would also be going to a bowl game. It seems likely to me.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    Having a 'same page' for the public doesn't mean 'same page' when it comes to the bottom line and behind closed doors.

    Pretty funny after beating the Buffs how the 'company line' is being held by the fans when only just last week, the week before, the week before, etc. we heard a lot of grumbling Ute fans wanting Whit to go.

    Amazing what beating one of the worst teams in the conference does to Uteville opinion.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    let's roll

    Your first assumption is correct:

    2014: Oregon, Stanford, WSU, and OSU
    2015 & 2016: Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and California

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    Info please...

    Aren't Oregon and Stanford going to be on Utah's schedule for the next three years?

    My understanding is that the two teams Utah doesn't play from the other division are on a rotating basis...Oregon and Stanford were out the first two years, Cal and UW out this year and next year, so won't it be OSU and WSU that won't be on the schedule in 2015 and 2016.

    I've seen some posts that say Oregon and Stanford will be on the schedule for only one more year and then Cal and UW come back.

    When I Googled it I could only find the OOC games for the next few years, not the PAC-12 games.

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    What a beautiful day on on the hill yesterday playing another 'big boy' team. Talked with several of the CU fans and I can tell you, the conversation wasn't at all like on these threads.

    It's a good thing this rivalry (Utah - BYU) is taking a time out.

    So close this year against the Beavers and Devils. Too bad we didn't play Cal this year. Those are three wins the team wished they had this year.

    8 conference games with a conference championship game is enough (See SEC). 6 teams in the Pac-12 have another conference loss due to the extra game. This year it hurt Oregon and Stanford with 2 losses and off course the 5-7 Utah team.

    Next year the three non-conference games will be much more difficult. Better have a great off season!

    Go Utes!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 1, 2013 3:46 p.m.


    Answer the following truthfully and you'll have your answer:

    Was Utah(5-7) better than Stanford(10-2)?
    Was Texas A&M(11-2) better than Alabama(13-1)?
    Was Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)?
    Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)?

    If you can truthfully answer "yes," without any qualifiers, to any of the above, then you can logically make a case for the results of a single game trumping the results of an entire season.

    Otherwise, you're simply blowing smoke.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 3:17 p.m.


    When are Utah fans going to stop whining about playing a "difficult" schedule - this is exactly what you signed up for.

    btw, BYU's end of regular season SOS, per Sagarin, is #32; that's almost 10 places HIGHER than the most difficult schedule the Utes have played in their entire history, prior to this year.

    Utah's SOS History
    2013 1
    2012 41
    2011 49
    2010 50
    2009 75
    2008 56
    2007 60
    2006 73
    2005 76
    2004 67
    2003 62
    2002 75
    2001 62
    2000 76
    1999 74
    1998 101
    1997 88
    1996 74

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 3:05 p.m.


    "Being a holiday weekend many students most likely went home for the holidays. Would explain empty seats."

    Don't kid yourself; we all know that if Utah had been playing BYU, rather than Colorado, there wouldn't have been an empty seat in the stadium.

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Hard situation for Kyle to be in. He has had time and time again to prove this team is able to compete but has come up short, for the most part. Now we head into another long offseason and prepare for next season. Except...next season's schedule is only worse. @Michigan @Stanford @UCLA @ASU @OreSt @CU and welcome Oregon, USC, Arizona, Wazzu, Idaho St., and Fresno to SLC. If things don't get fixed, and fast, I see us winning maybe 3 games, maybe.

    Time is ticking Whittingham.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    "Kyle's our coach. Absolutely."

    Sorry to hear that.

    As long as Whittingham is here, Utah will never be a contender in this league.


  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    If Ducky and the rest of the y "fans" obsessed with the U are right, then 0-4, 1-6 and 3-11 is "evidence" the cougies must be better.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Dec. 1, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    another 5-7 record. Hmmm, maybe whitingham isn't as good as his paycheck says he is. The Utes are bottom dwellers in the PAC and probably will be for years. It's unfortunate, but the Utes just aren't a PAC-12 calibre team. Sure they beat Stanford (lucky on that one), but otherwise they stunk all year. There is no consistency with the offense and the defense has holes to fill worse than swiss cheese. There is no rhyme or reason to even talk about stadium expansion.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 1, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Sooner, good point

    But you missed the more obvious point.

    Duck has been on here multiple times over the past 4 years claiming that BYU is better than Utah, despite Utah beating them 4 in a row.

    So by his logic,


    is evidence of "better" in provo

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    "4-5, 3-6, 2-7 Apparently this is evidence of "improvement" in slc."
    Yep. Record is the only thing that matters; not what teams you play. I admire the Cougar fan that can take satisfaction in an automatic-bowl-bid schedule intended to pad the win loss.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:49 a.m.


    Apparently this is evidence of "improvement" in slc.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Being a holiday weekend many students most likely went home for the holidays. Would explain empty seats. Fire Whittingham, Not. Utah played hard, especially against ASU. IF the U was being blown out every game I would feel differently.

  • Just Wondering... Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 1, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    ...why so many fans and students would buy tickets and then not show up for the Utes new rivalry game?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    I have to hand it to you, Duck, when it comes to finding new ways to say exactly the same thing over and over and over again, you are the master. I noted that you are embarrassed from making further comments on the article pertaining to the basketball facility. So, here you are on an article regarding coaching. BRAVO!

    As long as the stadium is sold out, more seats are needed. Next year will be the litmus test. If season ticket renewal is at or near 100% as it has been most of this decade, it might be a good indicator that the expansion plans need to be dusted off.

    I absolutely think that Dr. Hill is taking the right approach regarding the football program. Whittingham needs to make some changes to the coaching staff responsible for skill positions. He needs to turn responsibility for the offense, defense, and special teams to the respective coaches and hold them accountable for the results. Hopefully, Dr. Hill can do some coaching to help Whitt take the steps that need to be taken.

  • Vandelay007 Midway, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 1:10 a.m.

    @ Chris: Losing always "helps" your strength of schedule. Congrats on your strength of schedule. It's something to be proud of. Be sure to discuss recruiting, sell-outs, and 2008...and when all else fails, turn to gymnastics. Try to avoid discussing wins, because there aren't a lot of those piling up.

    Congrats on beating your rivals, the mighty Buffs.

  • pacificblue55 SANDY, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 12:40 a.m.

    Don't you all think it's pretty pathetic when the fans go into overdrive to brag about the strength of schedule instead of a pathetic record? Talk about some strategies you can offer the coaches to avoid another losing season next year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:48 p.m.


    The stadium clearly had large sections of seat unoccupied, nice try though. In fact I had friends that are utah "fans" on facebook begging people to go with them as they had extra tickets. Many were simply planning to give them away outside the stadium.

    Yes I know the tickets were sold but trying to pretend you would have had to pay $900 dollars to get some is LOL hilarious. No one believes that because we can all think and reason.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:32 p.m.

    It's apparent that Hill isn't going to fire Whitt just based on that statement. Too bad. I think that would be an option that Hill shouldn't pull off the table.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:10 p.m.


    Why expand the stadium? If it is a sellout but thousands of those that bought the tickets don't come then just go ahead and sell more tickets than actual seats. Why go to the expense of expanding when you don't need to. lol

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    lets roll, Chris does appear a little off on his claims, but not by much. It seems you are more off than he is. This is what I see from rivals:

    2013 - 2.96, #9 in Pac 12
    2012 - 3.04, #7 in Pac 12
    2011 - 2.95, #6 in Pac 12
    2010 - 3.09, #7 in Pac 12

    Thats an average of #7 in the Pac 12 the last 4 years. And I think that is superb given we are new to the conference and the claims by other people that no one will ever pick Utah over the other Pac 12 schools; apparently they are almost half of the time. I'll take average Pac 12 recruits any time, and then ask our coaches to be better than average.

    Chris is also right that those average stars are better than either BYU or USU every year. In fact, I didnt check this for sure, but I believe that the lowest of those four years(2.95) is better than the BEST years for either BYU or USU in that time frame. So yes, its clear that recruits prefer what Utah offers to what BYU or USU has to offer.

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    Yes, Duckhunter and others doubting the sellout, just because there are empty seats in the Stadium, does not mean the game wasn't sold out. If there are tickets for sale on KSL, then those are tickets are ones someone has bought and is now selling. So the seat has been sold once already. Several of the season ticket holder's seats in my section, including one of mine were empty today. However, since those are season tickets obviously those are seats that have been sold. And yes the student section was fairly empty, but then when my kids were in college they went home for Thanksgiving.

    Oh and Canyontreker, If Chris B is using Sagarin to back up his claim that Utah had the hardest schedule, then he is correct. The latest ranking (before today's games) has Utah SOS at #1 and CAL's at #3. You are right that is close.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:20 p.m.


    there is a difference between being sold out, and having every seat filled.

    Sold out=every ticket sold by the university. tickets on KSL do not equal tickets available through the U

    Nobody has claimed the stadium was full. The article even states there were plenty of no-shows, especially in the Muss.

    Always good to go out with a win.

    Team was much improved this year vs last year, unfortunately the record didn't change, but looking forward to another productive, yet entirely too long, offseason and as Murph says, "doing some damage" in the Pac-12 next year, and shortening the offseason next year.

    Go Utes

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    Whitingham is a great Coach and recruiter and he and Hill will get us to where we want to be.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 8:10 p.m.

    Good win today.

    It's a little disconcerting that the offense could only score 3 points in the last 40 minutes of the game.

    Also, someone needs to help me figure out how a number of poster are claiming Utah has averaged being number 6 in recruiting over the last 3 years. Scouts and Rivals both have Utah between 9th and 11th the last two years. Also, what's really disturbing is the lack of 4 star or higher recruits the last couple of years, Utah has 1, the top of the conference all have over 10 and one over 20 during that time period.

    Finally, no one who was at the game can say with a straight face that the stadium was full (or even close to it) and you could have filled up at least one section of the stadium with the number of tickets that were on sale on KSL for $20 or $25 a ticket.

    I'm as anxious as anyone to see the Utes improve, but I'm not in denial and I'm not going to pretend things are better than they are.

    Oh, BTW, please stay Jake.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 7:37 p.m.


    The game was sold out. I needed two more tickets today, but 2 together were $900 on E-Bay or $75 for a single ticket. Legit locations were sold out. I guess the fans are true.

    Yep, it's time for a renovation at RES. We need more seats.

    Our Utes looked great today. What a way for Reilly to end his stellar career at Utah!

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    @Chris B "We played the hardest schedule in the ENTIRE country"

    Close, except CAL hard the hardest schedule in the country. Similar to Utah's except with Washington instead of Colorado, and instead of BYU and Utah State they played Ohio State and Northwestern. But, oh so close.

    @Duckhunter The game was sold out. I needed two more tickets today, but 2 together were $900 on E-Bay or $75 for a single ticket. Legit locations were sold out. I guess the fans are true.

    Nov. 30, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    As for Murphy, I'd say his best bet would be to do what Star did in receiving a draft evaluation without declaring. I think it serves players better to have an entire season under the microscope. Both Star and Murphy were guys that people in the state and conference certainly knew well throughout their junior season, but did not receive much notice nationally. Star came back and lived up to his billing his senior season, and it paid off for him very well (despite the bizarre pre-draft circumstances). I'd be willing to bet it does the same for Jake. I think he's got all the tools to be a Jason Witten type receiver in the NFL.

    Nov. 30, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    Chris Hill's announcement that Whittingham will be back sounded a lot more firm than Nebraska's AD's on Pellini. I expect the staff to be shaken up a bit, but Scalley, Sitake and Hill should at least all come back, maybe with Hill moving back to corners. I'm disappointed that Shah's coaching didn't go better than it did. Anyone who's met him knows he's an exceptional guy and very charismatic, but the corners looked out of position and had bad technique far too much this year to expect him to continue coaching them. I still think the sole reason for his hiring was to improve recruiting, which I believe it did, in hopes that the coaching would work itself out, but it clearly didn't.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    Sell out huh? Not to anyone with eyes.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    We never though moving to the Pac 12 would be easy.

    Whittingham said since day ONE it would take several years for recruiting to catch up.

    Here is an interesting fact:

    Utah's last 4 recruiting classes has averaged 3.0 stars. byu is only at 2.6, and we were around that as well in our MWC days. So yes, it has improved.

    Now, remember we're not playing 2.6 star teams in the Pac 12. But our program is better, as is the competition

    In fact, we've beaten byu in recruiting EVERY year those 4 years since our Pac 12 invite.

    We've also beaten byu head to head in recruiting those 4 years.

    And yes, there is a big correlation between 4-0 in recruiting and 4-0 on the field.

    So apparently when kids can pick Pac 12 Utah or wac/indy byu, they prefer Utah, with most saying the Pac 12 is a big reason why.

    That 3.0 average recruiting is good enough for #6 in the Pac 12, and when those guys get a few more years experience we'll be right in the middle of the Pac 12 title chase

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    Coach Whit has already proven he can take us to national glory. And he will do so again. We played the hardest schedule in the ENTIRE country, anyone who dismisses that doesn't understand football. I'll gladly have some tough seasons while improving our program over beating up on nobodies, not fighting for a prestigious conference title any day!

    Whittingham has PROVEN he can beat some of the best teams in the nation.

    2008 win against END of season(the only rankings that matter) top 10 Alabama
    2008 win against END of season(the only rankings that matter) top 10 TCU
    2013 win against likely end of season(currently in top 10 as our best guess) Stanford

    Here are all of bronco's wins against end of season top 10 teams: