@ 54-10You're already "where you want to be." Just ask
Chris B and countless others on these blogs. You wanted to be in the PAC 12,
win or lose, and you got your wish. The pundits picked Utah 5th in the southern
division and that's exactly where they are. You wanted to be fodder for
the real programs and help Washington State up the ladder and that's
exactly what you and Colorado have done. Your SOS takes the place of a
bowl.....I like that! (And so should you because it's the trend these days
for Utah.)Congratulations!! You have it all, right now!!
@ UteanymousThat was last year. The fact that Utah still got 5 wins
with a much more difficult schedule, and was on the verge of a few others,
indicates that this year's Utah team is better than last year. Therefore it
would not be surprising to see Utah pull out another win if their schedule had
been as easy as BYU's.
Ute, Classic BYU fan mentality. Avoid the SOS aspect (yep it does
matter, it is in the BCS equation), do everything to avoid objective data (Utah
beating BYU 75% of the time) to put more weight on subjective data
(rankings:even though it is a number it is still based on opinion) and then say
BYU is better. I get it, BYU fans can't stand that Utah has
owned BYU over the past decade. It's true. Now, you can say that the
Pac-12 has owned Utah, there is no argument on that over the past 2 years, the
Pac-12 has owned Utah, but to say BYU hasn't been owned by Utah over the
past 12 years just because some of the games have been close is just silly.Utah/BYU is a rivalry like a hammer is to a nail, the Utah hammer just
continually pounding the BYU nail into the ground. It's great.
pocyUteThe fact that Utah has finished behind in record AND ranking
in 6 of the last 9 seasons is proof that one game does not a season make.It's laughable that Utah fans are claiming that Utah was
"competitive" in the PAC, because the Utes lost a lot of close games,
but then those same Utah fans claim that Utah has "owned" BYU because
the Utes have won several close games.The hypocrisy and
inconsistency is truly astounding.
"Perhaps if we played the #32 SOS instead we would also be going to a bowl
game."Perhaps not. Utah played the #41 SOS last season and
finished with the exact same 5-7, no bowl record.
Don't Feed the Trolls,That's a silly comment. Why not Matt
Wells? Looking at your moniker...What are you doing today?
I'm surprised, shocked really, that it is reported Steve Sarkisian is being
offered the USC job. Why not Whittingham?
Down under,If the AD and the Coach were complacent they never would
of agreed to join the PAC 12.It seems that complacency resides in
happy valley where your program will not concede any thing to get into a major
conference and is happy traveling around the country playing who they can and
settling for lower tier bowls.
And herein lies the problem. Both the AD and the head coach are fine with
mediocrity and so are many fans. If this is all you want out of conference
membership good luck to you. Me personally would rather go to a bowl game every
year in football and play in post-season in B-ball. Enjoy the holidays and
March Madness in CB basement watching BYU and USU play in their bowl games and
post-season round ball.
Pacmanlet me run this by youIf 2 teams play the exact
same schedule and one is 9-3 and the other is 3-9 who is the better team.Yes your right, the 9-3 team is the better team.Sure there
might be a lucky bounce in there effecting the outcome of one game here or
there, but really, we know who the better team is.The fact that Utah
has OWNED BYU is a fact conveniently forgotten by BYU fans in complete denial as
to who the better team is. You my friend are the one blowing smoke. It goes to show that denial is not only a river in Egypt, but is also a fungus
spreading through BYU fandome. Go Utes.
@ SwoopWhy does that matter. This year, Utah played the most
difficult schedule in NCAA football. Perhaps if we played the #32 SOS instead we
would also be going to a bowl game. It seems likely to me.
Having a 'same page' for the public doesn't mean 'same
page' when it comes to the bottom line and behind closed doors.Pretty funny after beating the Buffs how the 'company line' is being
held by the fans when only just last week, the week before, the week before,
etc. we heard a lot of grumbling Ute fans wanting Whit to go.Amazing
what beating one of the worst teams in the conference does to Uteville opinion.
let's rollYour first assumption is correct:2014:
Oregon, Stanford, WSU, and OSU2015 & 2016: Oregon, Stanford,
Washington, and California
Info please...Aren't Oregon and Stanford going to be on
Utah's schedule for the next three years?My understanding is
that the two teams Utah doesn't play from the other division are on a
rotating basis...Oregon and Stanford were out the first two years, Cal and UW
out this year and next year, so won't it be OSU and WSU that won't be
on the schedule in 2015 and 2016.I've seen some posts that say
Oregon and Stanford will be on the schedule for only one more year and then Cal
and UW come back. When I Googled it I could only find the OOC games
for the next few years, not the PAC-12 games.
What a beautiful day on on the hill yesterday playing another 'big
boy' team. Talked with several of the CU fans and I can tell you, the
conversation wasn't at all like on these threads.It's a
good thing this rivalry (Utah - BYU) is taking a time out.So close
this year against the Beavers and Devils. Too bad we didn't play Cal this
year. Those are three wins the team wished they had this year. 8
conference games with a conference championship game is enough (See SEC). 6
teams in the Pac-12 have another conference loss due to the extra game. This
year it hurt Oregon and Stanford with 2 losses and off course the 5-7 Utah
team.Next year the three non-conference games will be much more
difficult. Better have a great off season!Go Utes!
pocyUteAnswer the following truthfully and you'll have your
answer:Was Utah(5-7) better than Stanford(10-2)?Was Texas
A&M(11-2) better than Alabama(13-1)?Was Colorado(3-10) better than
Utah(8-5)?Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)?If you can
truthfully answer "yes," without any qualifiers, to any of the above,
then you can logically make a case for the results of a single game trumping the
results of an entire season.Otherwise, you're simply blowing
pocyUteWhen are Utah fans going to stop whining about playing a
"difficult" schedule - this is exactly what you signed up for.btw, BYU's end of regular season SOS, per Sagarin, is #32; that's
almost 10 places HIGHER than the most difficult schedule the Utes have played in
their entire history, prior to this year.Utah's SOS History2013 12012 412011 492010 502009 752008 562007 602006 732005 762004 672003 622002 752001 622000 761999 741998 1011997 881996 74
NeilT"Being a holiday weekend many students most likely went
home for the holidays. Would explain empty seats."Don't kid
yourself; we all know that if Utah had been playing BYU, rather than Colorado,
there wouldn't have been an empty seat in the stadium.
Hard situation for Kyle to be in. He has had time and time again to prove this
team is able to compete but has come up short, for the most part. Now we head
into another long offseason and prepare for next season. Except...next
season's schedule is only worse. @Michigan @Stanford @UCLA @ASU @OreSt @CU
and welcome Oregon, USC, Arizona, Wazzu, Idaho St., and Fresno to SLC. If things
don't get fixed, and fast, I see us winning maybe 3 games, maybe. Time is ticking Whittingham.
"Kyle's our coach. Absolutely."Sorry to hear that.As long as Whittingham is here, Utah will never be a contender in this
If Ducky and the rest of the y "fans" obsessed with the U are right,
then 0-4, 1-6 and 3-11 is "evidence" the cougies must be better.
another 5-7 record. Hmmm, maybe whitingham isn't as good as his paycheck
says he is. The Utes are bottom dwellers in the PAC and probably will be for
years. It's unfortunate, but the Utes just aren't a PAC-12 calibre
team. Sure they beat Stanford (lucky on that one), but otherwise they stunk all
year. There is no consistency with the offense and the defense has holes to fill
worse than swiss cheese. There is no rhyme or reason to even talk about stadium
Sooner, good pointBut you missed the more obvious point.Duck has been on here multiple times over the past 4 years claiming that BYU
is better than Utah, despite Utah beating them 4 in a row.So by his
of "better" in provo
"4-5, 3-6, 2-7 Apparently this is evidence of "improvement" in
slc."Yep. Record is the only thing that matters; not what teams you
play. I admire the Cougar fan that can take satisfaction in an
automatic-bowl-bid schedule intended to pad the win loss.
4-53-62-7Apparently this is evidence of
"improvement" in slc.
Being a holiday weekend many students most likely went home for the holidays.
Would explain empty seats. Fire Whittingham, Not. Utah played hard, especially
against ASU. IF the U was being blown out every game I would feel differently.
...why so many fans and students would buy tickets and then not show up for the
Utes new rivalry game?
DuckhunterI have to hand it to you, Duck, when it comes to finding new
ways to say exactly the same thing over and over and over again, you are the
master. I noted that you are embarrassed from making further comments on the
article pertaining to the basketball facility. So, here you are on an article
regarding coaching. BRAVO!As long as the stadium is sold out, more
seats are needed. Next year will be the litmus test. If season ticket renewal
is at or near 100% as it has been most of this decade, it might be a good
indicator that the expansion plans need to be dusted off.I
absolutely think that Dr. Hill is taking the right approach regarding the
football program. Whittingham needs to make some changes to the coaching staff
responsible for skill positions. He needs to turn responsibility for the
offense, defense, and special teams to the respective coaches and hold them
accountable for the results. Hopefully, Dr. Hill can do some coaching to help
Whitt take the steps that need to be taken.
@ Chris: Losing always "helps" your strength of schedule. Congrats on
your strength of schedule. It's something to be proud of. Be sure to
discuss recruiting, sell-outs, and 2008...and when all else fails, turn to
gymnastics. Try to avoid discussing wins, because there aren't a lot of
those piling up. Congrats on beating your rivals, the mighty Buffs.
Don't you all think it's pretty pathetic when the fans go into
overdrive to brag about the strength of schedule instead of a pathetic record?
Talk about some strategies you can offer the coaches to avoid another losing
season next year.
@canyontrekkerThe stadium clearly had large sections of seat
unoccupied, nice try though. In fact I had friends that are utah "fans"
on facebook begging people to go with them as they had extra tickets. Many were
simply planning to give them away outside the stadium. Yes I know
the tickets were sold but trying to pretend you would have had to pay $900
dollars to get some is LOL hilarious. No one believes that because we can all
think and reason.
It's apparent that Hill isn't going to fire Whitt just based on that
statement. Too bad. I think that would be an option that Hill shouldn't
pull off the table.
@noperspectiveWhy expand the stadium? If it is a sellout but
thousands of those that bought the tickets don't come then just go ahead
and sell more tickets than actual seats. Why go to the expense of expanding when
you don't need to. lol
lets roll, Chris does appear a little off on his claims, but not by much. It
seems you are more off than he is. This is what I see from rivals:2013 - 2.96, #9 in Pac 122012 - 3.04, #7 in Pac 122011 - 2.95, #6
in Pac 122010 - 3.09, #7 in Pac 12Thats an average of #7 in
the Pac 12 the last 4 years. And I think that is superb given we are new to the
conference and the claims by other people that no one will ever pick Utah over
the other Pac 12 schools; apparently they are almost half of the time.
I'll take average Pac 12 recruits any time, and then ask our coaches to be
better than average. Chris is also right that those average stars
are better than either BYU or USU every year. In fact, I didnt check this for
sure, but I believe that the lowest of those four years(2.95) is better than the
BEST years for either BYU or USU in that time frame. So yes, its clear that
recruits prefer what Utah offers to what BYU or USU has to offer.
Yes, Duckhunter and others doubting the sellout, just because there are empty
seats in the Stadium, does not mean the game wasn't sold out. If there are
tickets for sale on KSL, then those are tickets are ones someone has bought and
is now selling. So the seat has been sold once already. Several of the season
ticket holder's seats in my section, including one of mine were empty
today. However, since those are season tickets obviously those are seats that
have been sold. And yes the student section was fairly empty, but then when my
kids were in college they went home for Thanksgiving. Oh and
Canyontreker, If Chris B is using Sagarin to back up his claim that Utah had the
hardest schedule, then he is correct. The latest ranking (before today's
games) has Utah SOS at #1 and CAL's at #3. You are right that is close.
Folksthere is a difference between being sold out, and having every
seat filled. Sold out=every ticket sold by the university. tickets
on KSL do not equal tickets available through the UNobody has
claimed the stadium was full. The article even states there were plenty of
no-shows, especially in the Muss.Always good to go out with a win.
Team was much improved this year vs last year, unfortunately the
record didn't change, but looking forward to another productive, yet
entirely too long, offseason and as Murph says, "doing some damage" in
the Pac-12 next year, and shortening the offseason next year.Go Utes
Whitingham is a great Coach and recruiter and he and Hill will get us to where
we want to be.
Good win today.It's a little disconcerting that the offense
could only score 3 points in the last 40 minutes of the game.Also,
someone needs to help me figure out how a number of poster are claiming Utah has
averaged being number 6 in recruiting over the last 3 years. Scouts and Rivals
both have Utah between 9th and 11th the last two years. Also, what's
really disturbing is the lack of 4 star or higher recruits the last couple of
years, Utah has 1, the top of the conference all have over 10 and one over 20
during that time period.Finally, no one who was at the game can say
with a straight face that the stadium was full (or even close to it) and you
could have filled up at least one section of the stadium with the number of
tickets that were on sale on KSL for $20 or $25 a ticket.I'm as
anxious as anyone to see the Utes improve, but I'm not in denial and
I'm not going to pretend things are better than they are.Oh,
BTW, please stay Jake.
CanyontrekerThe game was sold out. I needed two more tickets today,
but 2 together were $900 on E-Bay or $75 for a single ticket. Legit locations
were sold out. I guess the fans are true.Yep, it's time for a
renovation at RES. We need more seats. Our Utes looked great
today. What a way for Reilly to end his stellar career at Utah!
@Chris B "We played the hardest schedule in the ENTIRE country"Close, except CAL hard the hardest schedule in the country. Similar to
Utah's except with Washington instead of Colorado, and instead of BYU and
Utah State they played Ohio State and Northwestern. But, oh so close.@Duckhunter The game was sold out. I needed two more tickets today, but 2
together were $900 on E-Bay or $75 for a single ticket. Legit locations were
sold out. I guess the fans are true.
As for Murphy, I'd say his best bet would be to do what Star did in
receiving a draft evaluation without declaring. I think it serves players better
to have an entire season under the microscope. Both Star and Murphy were guys
that people in the state and conference certainly knew well throughout their
junior season, but did not receive much notice nationally. Star came back and
lived up to his billing his senior season, and it paid off for him very well
(despite the bizarre pre-draft circumstances). I'd be willing to bet it
does the same for Jake. I think he's got all the tools to be a Jason Witten
type receiver in the NFL.
Chris Hill's announcement that Whittingham will be back sounded a lot more
firm than Nebraska's AD's on Pellini. I expect the staff to be shaken
up a bit, but Scalley, Sitake and Hill should at least all come back, maybe with
Hill moving back to corners. I'm disappointed that Shah's coaching
didn't go better than it did. Anyone who's met him knows he's an
exceptional guy and very charismatic, but the corners looked out of position and
had bad technique far too much this year to expect him to continue coaching
them. I still think the sole reason for his hiring was to improve recruiting,
which I believe it did, in hopes that the coaching would work itself out, but it
Sell out huh? Not to anyone with eyes.
We never though moving to the Pac 12 would be easy.Whittingham said
since day ONE it would take several years for recruiting to catch up.Here is an interesting fact:Utah's last 4 recruiting classes
has averaged 3.0 stars. byu is only at 2.6, and we were around that as well in
our MWC days. So yes, it has improved. Now, remember we're
not playing 2.6 star teams in the Pac 12. But our program is better, as is the
competitionIn fact, we've beaten byu in recruiting EVERY year
those 4 years since our Pac 12 invite.We've also beaten byu
head to head in recruiting those 4 years.And yes, there is a big
correlation between 4-0 in recruiting and 4-0 on the field. So
apparently when kids can pick Pac 12 Utah or wac/indy byu, they prefer Utah,
with most saying the Pac 12 is a big reason why.That 3.0 average
recruiting is good enough for #6 in the Pac 12, and when those guys get a few
more years experience we'll be right in the middle of the Pac 12 title
Coach Whit has already proven he can take us to national glory. And he will do
so again. We played the hardest schedule in the ENTIRE country, anyone who
dismisses that doesn't understand football. I'll gladly have some
tough seasons while improving our program over beating up on nobodies, not
fighting for a prestigious conference title any day!Whittingham has
PROVEN he can beat some of the best teams in the nation.2008 win
against END of season(the only rankings that matter) top 10 Alabama2008
win against END of season(the only rankings that matter) top 10 TCU2013
win against likely end of season(currently in top 10 as our best guess)
StanfordHere are all of bronco's wins against end of season top