George Washington's proclamation is worth pondering this Thanksgiving

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  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    The reason the liberals are so against religion is not because they are against religion per se, since the secularists have the most powerful religion of them all, the government,its because it weakens their 'religion', the government. If they can obtain full power and authority with their government, it won't be long until they can do what we all know they want, which is to extinguish God and His followers from having any say anywhere. And now you know why religious freedom and liberty is the most important right to defend in this country, which was never set up to protect the government from the religious views of its individual citizens, but to protect the individual citizens from what the secularist power of the state. Anybody who states otherwise is ignorant not only of American history, but is dishonest. Integrity qualifies those who know and live by the truth.

  • intervention slc, UT
    Nov. 29, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    So again you are selectively reading the words of one president still not the based for our government.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Roland Kaiser: You sound bitter about the blessings that come from God, including those that come from a country that has provided more for the nations on earth than any other nation in the history of mankind. If someone doesn't acknowledge His providence, it is still no reason to full of envy, greed, and jealousy over how it was brought into being. Liberty and freedom should be protected no matter if some refuses to acknowledge those blessings.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 29, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    re:Sorry Charlie and LDS Liberal

    "You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are." (George Washington)

    George Washington, The Writings of Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1932), Vol. XV, p. 55, from his speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779

    It should be an easy and obvious thing to just use GOOGLE and research the writings of George Washington and our other founders regarding their firm belief in Jesus Christ and the bible. Try it guys.

    To LDS Liberal - recall our own article of faith which states we believe in allowing all people the privilege of worshiping almighty God .. as they see state religion.

    The point I was making is the constant need for liberals and progressives to falsely attempt to separate Christianity from our founding fathers and our founding documents. History is history like it or not and we are a Christian nation. A Christian nation that makes room for all other religions as well unlike the Muslim faith which calls on its followers to kill Christians and Jews.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2013 1:23 a.m.

    Cedar Hills, UT

    America was founded as a Christian nation regardless of what the heathen liberal progressive voices of today bark out.


    Read the speech "patriot",

    Washington NEVER mentioned Christianity at all.

    He mentions; the Almighty, Providence, and God.
    Something a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or any other Deist could all accept just as well.

    Please stop proportion the lie that America is a Christian nation.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    Some of you folks seem to want to remove the separation of church and state only to the degree that _your_ religion is separated from the state.

    Should an Imam or a Rabbi or a Pope declare that they, too, expect government to enforce their doctrines and customs you'll be falling all over yourselves to to keep the government secular where "those other" religions are concerned.

    You who clamor for more religion on government don't know how huge and peril-filled the Pandora's Box is that you're trying so hard to open.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 10:56 p.m.

    @A Scientist

    Please tell us where the words "separation of church and state" are "explicitly stated" in the Constitution. I fail to recall any point in history where a religious hegemony was a threat to your "religious liberty" to believe how you may. The larger threat is the current threat wherein the false belief of "separation of church and state" threatens to deprive many of the freedom to believe and support their believes through their actions. Your research, and subsequently your reasoning, are flawed and indicate the bias that you desire others to accept without justification. I suppose that you believe science is ignorance.

  • Fred T PHOENIX, AZ
    Nov. 28, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    Interesting that the SLTrib cites President Abraham Lincoln issued his proclamation establishing Thanksgiving Day as a national holiday. dated Oct. 3, 1863

    AND as cited in the DesNews story, President Geo Washington also proclaimed a day of Thanksgiving.

    Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be--

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Seems to me that if he was alive today, instead of offering that prayer, he would have run into the night screaming in fear at the thought of our government and wonderful leaders, By leaders I refer to those such as Obama, Hatch, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, and of course our own Mike Lee.

    We have no leaders, only power hungry politicians.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    That George Washington, or any and all other Founders, were or were not religious and occasionally expressed religious perspectives does nothing to support much less prove that there should not be "separation of Church and State".

    The separation of Church and State is explicitly built into the Constitution, and has been upheld repeatedly over many years. Overzealous religious people would do well to realize that the more you try to shove your religion down the throats of your fellow Americans, the more passionate we will be about pushing back.

    I am thankful for a deliberately and thoroughly secular government that protects my liberties from the hegemony of religious zealots.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 3:25 p.m.


    "So much for your exclusion of religion from national speech. This declaration of President Washington is overflowing with the need to express thanks to God "

    right because we all know our country was founded on one speech by one president.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 28, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Just want to wish the moderators and those in the news business who are working today, a Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Lets check the facts Albuquerque, NM
    Nov. 28, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    He didn't need to mention capitalism or communism, the government wasn't establish to control the economy of the nation. It was set up to protect the civil and religious liberty of the people. Read it again.

    Thank you for publishing Waahington's statement!

  • mkh Aberdeen, SD
    Nov. 28, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    It is true that we are too focused on consumerism and are often ungrateful. However, I will defend capitalism. Without it we would not enjoy the comforts of life and the technological advances we do have, such as being able to participate in this blog. As Winston Churchill wisely stated, "Capitalism is the unequal sharing of wealth; socialism is the equal sharing of misery." Given those choices, I know my preference. Capitalism is not perfect but it preserves freedom and allows rewards for hard work and effort. Socialism reduces freedom and discourages hard work; it discourages becoming the best you can and doing the best you can. This Thanksgiving I am thankful for many things and one of them is capitalism.

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Nov. 28, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Kelly W. Smith.

    You've spoken well what was in my heart to share. Thanks.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Well liberals - so much for your separation of church and state nonsense. So much for your exclusion of religion from national speech. This declaration of President Washington is overflowing with the need to express thanks to God - to have a day of thanksgiving and PRAYER. America was founded as a Christian nation regardless of what the heathen liberal progressive voices of today bark out. America is indeed one nation under God - like it or not. I say, thank God and Heaven for such an inspired and incredible leader as George Washington who not only won the war of independence but set a course for us to follow if we have the open mindedness and foresight to recognize truth when it is spoken. Today - we have politicians (not leaders) and that is why America is on such a sharp decline. We have abandoned principles - principles that made America into the greatest of nations. Hopefully at least those who still believe in the words of George Washington today will still find inspiration from his words. What I would give to have real leadership in the White House once again - what a difference it would make to our country.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Nov. 28, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    It's a good thing we did not have separation of church and state back in Washington's day. No Thanksgiving, no Christmas, no Easter. I'm just glad that our modern day politician's figured out the constitution and took God and religion out of this wonderful country. We shouldn't even wish someone a merry Christmas. Now we have thugs running around playing the knockout game, etc. But we are encouraged to share with our families the benefits of obamacare this THANKSGIVING DAY.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    "Government" and "politics" and "Washington DC" had sort of become 4-letter words to me, with all the dysfunction and abuse and insanity.

    Just starting to read this article kind of flipped me around.
    It is true, we have much to be grateful for the government that was established here, and the blessings that have resulted.

    Sometimes we get jaded and focused on all the wrong things, and forget the amazingness.

    Thanks for the reminder.

    I've decided to go to this kind of thinking when the next dumb thing happens(which we can't fix or control anyway) instead of my usual aggravation,annoyance or frustration.

    Thanks again.

  • KellyWSmith Sparks, NV
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    It is marvelous that such a man as George Washington would lead our country in a manner like this, desiring the people of the country to recognize and give thanks to God, the giver of all, for the blessings we have received. President Washington set an example for the nation to follow. He lead them in many ways, through a terrible war and with a firm hand, with faith and determination to bring our country to existence.

    It would be wise for all of the leaders of our current country to follow his pattern and continue his tradition of recognizing the giver of all rights, and pay homage to God, instead of doing all they can to eliminate Him from our culture, schools, politics, business and laws.

    If we succeed in removing Him from our society, He will succeed in removing Us from His land and has promised such with a stern warning.

    Thank you for posting his entire speech. It should be read weekly, not just annually.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    I thought the Pilgrims was starving to death and American Indians saved their life. I haven't known Washington s speech before now. Thank you for the information.
    In joy your day. Happy Thanksgiving.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Nov. 28, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    That's right! You thank whom you pray to. Giving thanks is then automatically a prayer. Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Ronald Kayser: I believe that was covered under "and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions..."

    We do well to bow the knee to acknowledge God's mercy in our lives.

    It is hard to celebrate Thanksgiving with out acknowledging someone to thank. Being thankful begs for someone to thank, IMO you can't have one without the other.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 5:07 a.m.

    You mean he didn't say we should give thanks for capitalism, consumerism, and commercialism? Happy Thanksgiving everyone.