Food stamp cuts leave many Thanksgiving dinners feeling thin

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  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Dec. 1, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    I just hope that there are food stamps for those of us who will be stuck with the obamacare bill. Doubling ones premiums and deductibles is going to have to come from somewhere with a paycheck to paycheck budget many live on.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    ute alumni

    Q: What gives them that right?

    A: The COTUS, although you've mischaracterized the process in an attempt to couch the idea of taxation as "stealing". However, if you are going to retain that mindset then I need to remind you that Utah (as well as Mountanman's (sic) state of Idaho) is a net debtor (over $20 billion for Utah) of federal taxes. That means Utah "steals" more in federal monies than it pays in taxes, California is a net creditor. In fact, Utah has "stolen" more in federal monies than it paid in taxes for about 30 straight years. So, until you cut the state of California a personal check for about $10K, you have no leg to stand on. You and Mountanman (sic) are takers/stealers in American society, yet you have the gaul to deride others - very sad.

    tgurd - Thank you for the response re: tax rates, much appreciated. But, your immediate insistence that a tax rate which is at lows not seen in 60+ years will somehow magically skyrocket after 2014 is factually unfounded.

    Looks like you're from Louisiana, one of the largest net debtors in federal funds; I'll be waiting for your check too.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    Nov. 30, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    To mountan man the years 1947-the early 60s to answer your question directly check it out and i hardly believe the tax rate you see now is anymore than a build up to a sky rocketing tax which sould becoming out after the 2014 elections the tax rate was held down for people to think what a wonderful washington we have. 17 trillion in debt 50 billion being printed a month now sir do you really believe the tax rate is what is said, on paper it says 39% for the highest yours maybe only 14 some other more however when you add all of the other taxes inflicted upon your real estate county city food and most all you buy 39% to me is very high. why not have a flat tax of 12% have you ever wondered why the simple things that can put us on the road to recovery are never done? what would be wrong with insurances open across state lines? that would solve health care problems, but noooooo never done.Why not as a nation we demand these things instead of defending political parties?

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Nov. 29, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    ss (sic)
    sick is the operative word. a mindset that one feels entitled to take other's money and give it to someone else.What gives them that right? Being a liberal.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 29, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    " that reason more revenue surges is because people have more money, corporations have more money, they hire people which creates more money available to infuse into the economy."

    But, the question you did NOT answer is how the economy "surged" under Reagans 50% top tax rate, but todays rate of 39% is branded as a job killer.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Nov. 29, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    Mountanman (sic)

    That does not answer my question. I'll repeat a second time: What year in your life was the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans lower than it is now? Direct question, please provide a direct answer. If you refuse or cannot provide a year, please refrain from responding.

    Further, unless you just started work for the first time in the past year or two, if your taxes have been going up annually throughout your career then you are being fleeced by your accountant; that is not the government's fault.

    Finally, please include all the "hidden taxes that liberals never count" in your analysis and you'll end up with this magical thing called an effective tax rate.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    Nov. 29, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Let me see if I can answer your question joe, that reason more revenue surges is because people have more money, corporations have more money, they hire people which creates more money available to infuse into the economy. Check this out being on welfare takes from the middle class more than any other because the middle class is the backbone of our economy. My son lives in Finland where the taxes are over 60% yes he has low cost health insurance however that's all that's low cost, food housing and many other things are almost unaffordable. I hope that someday people will quit with the pointing fingers of parties and realize they both stink because of the money that has been brought in by packs, special interest and many others and yes including large businesses, do you think its more unacceptable for wealthy people to have their special interest groups yet the unions and others that come for hand outs, that's ok?
    The real cause for our financial mess is the redundancy of programs the fraud and waste the graft and corruption and all those other things that are never really monitored with tax payers money.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:07 p.m.

    "Invariably when tax rates are lowered tax revenue surges."

    How about providing data to back up that point?

    I will help you. History has shown that when taxes went from 90% to 70%, there was an increase in revenue. From 39% to 35%? Your claim does not hold true.

    Under Reagan, the top tax rate was 50% or higher for most of his presidency. And the economy did very well.

    So, why is a 39% top tax rate a job killer, when a 50% rate was great?

    Inquiring minds want to know....

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 3:30 p.m.


    can you say inflation?

    can you say a growing general population?

    can you say despite a decade of recession the poverty has dropped 7% since linden johnson made that speech?

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 28, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Gosh, did history according to Abe start when Obama took office? Could we think of any reason why 2009 food stamp usage would have been higher than previous years? Maybe Abe should ask his banker.

  • Lightbearer Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    Complaint of a Person Living Comfortably

    Those down and out
    Should please just do without.
    Never a treat,
    Rice and beans they should eat.
    Naught should they own,
    Neither TV nor phone -
    And just forget
    About the Internet.
    Their whole striving
    Should just be surviving.
    This world's pleasures
    Are for those with treasures.
    Shame on the poor
    For not suffering more!

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Invariably when tax rates are lowered tax revenue surges. Democrats never seem to get this. Many of us are pulling the wagon and some need to be on it. The problem is a lot of people are on the wagon and wagon riders are growing in numbers. Some time the remaining wagon pullers (tax payers) will run out of money and we will be Greece.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    Stalwart: I have never been one of the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes so to answer your question, I pay income taxes every year and they have never been lower than the previous year as far back as when I first started to work. In other words, my taxes have increased every year! But more to the point, what about all those hidden taxes that liberals never count? If we continue to punish achievement, self reliance, success and hard work in this country we will have more and more cities like Detroit and Chicago.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    1st Montanaman is more correct intervention, 2nd hes correct again as far as taxes any place your taxed, a tax not just income tax, prices are way up amounts are down on what you buy exp instead of 32 oz its now 28 for same price or more check the weight another food stamps are a lot more than 1.40 per meal a family of 4 gets 500.00 that's a pretty good amount for groc don't you just say. Again you can buy everything with the ebt card not just groc, fraud is rampant from selling the cards for pennies on the dollar for booze cigs or what ever else. The truth of the matter is its not just Obama its congress both republicans and demos we need to vote all of them out with rare exceptions. Yes we have become a nation of poor because we keep voting for those that do most damage to us. Wait until the ACA kicks in and you find out how fooled you were in that, the job loss will be staggering and then maybe, you may start checking more closely on whom you vote for. May we wake up before its to late.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    It is a difficult problem. You want to help people, but encouraging people to be permanently on the government dole is not really helping them. The program is supposed to be supplemental, not their only source of food. At $1 per meal you are not starving.

    What is interesting is how people survived before FDR and LBJ brought us all of these welfare programs. I guess people found a way to make a living rather than live off the government. I volunteer at a food bank. Some of the people coming in appear truly needy. Others have nicer clothes than I do and drive away in late model cars. I ultimately cannot judge who needs it or not, but I am concerned that our country is changing from self-sufficiency to relying on the government.

    As a kid I qualified for reduced rate lunch at school. That was not an option however. If I wanted school lunch I worked in the lunch room. Otherwise I was brown bagging. I agree with Ben Franklin. We need to help the poor, but we also need to make them uncomfortable in that poverty.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 28, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    @ABE, & TexasCoug,---according to some of our posters, Obama can do no wrong.

    It's George Bush, and Republicans who did all this.


  • Abe Longmont, CO
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Wait....I am confused..... the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), the most comprehensive study that documents the nutritional status of the U.S. population, has found that low-income children and adolescents are more likely to be obese than their higher income counterparts. AND reports have shown a higher prevalence of obesity among low-income adults. One study revealed that more than one-third of adults who earn less than $15,000 annually were obese, as compared to 25 percent of those who earn more than $50,000 a year.

    What are we worried about!?!? Have a happy Thanksgiving!

  • LarryLinn LOS ANGELES, CA
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat,” said Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN), invoking the Bible to explain his vote earlier this year to cut food stamps while calling for increased crop subsidies for farmers. His family farm received more than $3.5 million in federal money over the years, making him the leader of the 33 members of Congress who voted to cut food stamps, a program that helps the least among us, while having no qualms about accepting federal largesse for their farm businesses.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Worse than a cut in benefits is the increase in the number of people who have adopted the ENTITLEMENT mentality.

    Obama has ruined the economy, punished the producers, taxed the workers, and rewarded those who do not work with multiple overlapping programs that comprise the "welfare plantation."

    The "poor" in America live pretty well. True starvation and malnutrition are extremely rare in this country, and a small cut in welfare food stamps (the true description, not the euphemistic "SNAP" name) will not kill anyone.

    Americans are truly generous people to help the real needy, but funding lavish government programs is wasteful and terribly inefficient in actually helping the truly needy.

    Welfare is supposed to be a safety net, not the hammock it has become.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Mountanman (sic)

    Well, you skated the major points but if what you claim is true, then you should be able to easily answer my question. I'll repeat: What year in your life was the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans lower than it is now? Or, I can make it ever more-simple for you: During your life, under which President was the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans lower than under the current administration? Direct questions, direct answer please.

    BTW - If you're paying a "tax" for the ACA per the SCOTUS, it isn't due to taxation, it is because you are breaking the law. Do you now advocate no retribution for law-breakers such as yourself?

  • TexasCoug Midland, TX
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    I for one have higher taxes than ever this past year with the so called "tax relief act" which congress and the President both allowed to happen. The government is not a solution to our problems, except for the most unfortunate that are unable to provide for themselves. I for one have seen plenty of food stamp abuse personally with friends. I have clients on Medicaid- most likely on food stamps- who have nicer phones (which my tax dollars probably paid for) than me. And they refuse to show up for appointments which they don't have to pay a dime for. I would love to help the most needy, which I do, but I do not want more of my money going to a corrupt government (not just Democrats), who is not fiscally responsible and gives unnecessary assistance to those who don't know how to manage their money.

  • Abe Longmont, CO
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    On March 16, 1964, President Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty in the United States. He created large-scale national programs aimed at helping the poor and needy that consumed nearly 1.2 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. The programs were meant to be temporary, short-term investments. Instead they have become permanent fixtures in government programming and spawned the creation of dozens more programs over the years. Today, spending on welfare programs is 13 times greater than it was in 1964.
    Obama’s 2011 budget requests that food stamps spending rise from $39 billion to $75 billion. Obama’s 2011 budget also requests these expansions be made permanent. In addition, eligibility for this program was expanded. Within President Obama’s first year in office, food stamp rolls grew by over 5 million people—the single largest increase in a one-year period in over three decades.

    Can you say EPIC FAILURE!!

  • Abe Longmont, CO
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Lets not forget the other critical welfare handouts our government is so found of doling out:
    • $220 million in credits for Puerto Rican rum distillers
    • $12 billion for wind-farm energy producers
    • $250 million for Hollywood film production
    • $62 million for employers in American Samoa, principally StarKist, the largest company in the South Pacific island
    • $330 million for the railroad industry
    • $78 million for Nascar racetrack construction

    The average SNAP cut is 7%
    The average wage cut in 2013 is 8%
    The average Tax increase for the working is 2%

    Its all good!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 28, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    @ Stalwart..News flash: there are other taxes many of them hidden taxes and now....drumroll...there are Obamacare taxes! SCOTUS says so! We do not have near historic lows in taxation! Among other taxes, we have the highest corporate taxes in the world and guess who actually gets those taxes passed on in higher costs of goods? Nice try, but you are completely wrong!

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Nov. 28, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Conservatives complain and complain and complain yet literally do nothing to fix the undeniable truth that 1) corporate profits are at record highs, 2) American workers are more productive than ever before, yet 3) more American workers (yes, workers) are forced to use SNAP out of necessity.

    If they had an ounce of integrity or a shred of sincerity in their hollow claims that they want to "teach people to be independent" then they'd fight with liberals to raise the minimum wage.

    Mountanman (sic)

    3 things:

    1 - I'd take that bet and you'd lose.

    2 - It appears you're from Idaho, a severe net debtor in federal taxes. So, I've paid to educate you, I've paid for the roads you drive on, I've paid for the clean air you breath, among so many other things. You owe a debt to society, your entire paycheck is not "yours".

    3 - Please, name a time in your life in which the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans was lower than it is now. Tax rates are at near-historic lows, seems you have a personal finance management issue. Stop blaming the government for your inability to budget.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Nov. 28, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Fraud is what, 5%? So the TP put everyone else in the cattle cars and ship them out.

    It's not the Govt. money? You are the Government and are responsible for the wellfare of the Nation. When will we stop the ME,ME,ME mentality? Pope Francis was right, we lost sight of the Christian message and now it is just greed, greed. WHo knows, you might soon be the richest person in the graveyard.

    If the greddy are sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner, please don't. Your wealth most likely came at the expense of those you shun, and ignoring what made you successful with educated people, a good infrastructure and don't forget all of the Govt and quasi Govt programs that aide your business developement.

    Go to a homeless shelter and donate your warm clothes, someone needs them more than you.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2013 2:33 a.m.

    Go to any convenience store almost anywhere and watch what is being bought with food stamps and you will see the abuse going on. It would be interesting to see the difference between the truly needy and the a users, a figure that probably is much higher than one suspects.

  • BroJoseph Ogden, UT
    Nov. 27, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?

    And if ye judge the man who putteth up his petition to you for your substance that he perish not, and condemn him, how much more just will be your condemnation for withholding your substance, which doth not belong to you but to God, to whom also your life belongeth; and yet ye put up no petition, nor repent of the thing which thou hast done.

    I say unto you, wo be unto that man, for his substance shall perish with him; and now, I say these things unto those who are rich as pertaining to the things of this world

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 27, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    More than half our people are on their knees begging for food is shameful. Our children being fed at school? Un-American!

    A fact of our government having poor & corrupt leadership!

    Can't spin this any other way. Blame, blame, blame, by uninformed minds will not fix this.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 8:00 p.m.


    Please don't confuse Republicans with a reality check.


  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 26, 2013 4:39 p.m.


    Over seventy percent of the worlds weapons have come from this country---UN website

    Billions of tax dollars were recently used to send fighter jets, helicopters, and tanks to Egypt, Indonesia, and South Korea. Mexican Cartels have American guns.

    Fifteen thousand Americans are still in Iraq. Afghanistan is still a war zone.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 26, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    @ Pagan. Every American who pays federal income taxes got a tax cut under President Bush. Even though I am not rich, I liked my tax cut very much because, I always thought it was MY money and not the government's money since I actually worked for it! In any event. GWB is not the President today and hasn't been for nearly 6 years. Meanwhile under Obama the national debt has jumped by over $7 trillion which is more than the total increase during the 8 Bush years even with the tax cut! Obama gave us all a tax increase but that hasn't slowed the growth of the national debt, in fact it has accelerated under Obama! Blaming Bush for Obama's failures is getting a bit old, don't you think?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    'The $2.5 Trillion tragedy: What America has given up for 10 years of Bush tax cuts' -
    By Zaid Jilani – Think Progress – 07/07/11

    'While doing so, Bush promised prosperity and growth, but the nation got neither.

    The cost of these budget-busting 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was, as estimated by Citizens for Tax Justice, roughly $2.5 trillion through 2010.'

  • intervention slc, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    lets have a little reality check here. according the USDA food stamp fraud has actually dropped over the past decade from 4 cents of every dollar to 1 cent per every dollar. second, food stamps provides 1.40 per person per meal, if you think people on food stamps are living high and mighty on your tax dollars you may want to think again and third , even if mountain man's claims about buying food stamps on the streets were correct by his on estimate of "pennies on the dollar" it would mean that those trying to commit fraud would be making 1.4 cents per meal they sold, hardly a booming industry. We should do everything we can to stop fraud as it takes away resources to those that need them the most but lets not pretend that all food stamp recipients are nothing but money hungry vultures living high on the hog.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    You know, things are a bit thin for us this year, too.
    We've had to cut back far more than the food stamp cuts just to get by.
    Why don't you write something about the plight of the self-reliant?
    Then again, when your source material comes from MSNBC I might as well be talking to the wall.
    What has become of the Deseret News?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 5:46 a.m.

    Thank goodness we spent $4 trillion dollars on Iraq.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 26, 2013 12:59 a.m.

    We've become a nation of beggars.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    $4 trillion spent on Iraq.

    Government shutdown $24 billion.

    47 failed attempts to repeal the ACA, $50 million.

    And the needy, starve.

    Wrong priorities.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 25, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    The USDA says there is about $750 million in food stamp fraud each year. If I were a betting man, I would multiply that by 10 times and I would be pretty accurate. Don't believe it? Ask any grocery store clerk! In addition, I can purchase EBT cards on the street in any larger city for pennies on the dollar so the seller can buy crack and meth! What's Obama's solution? Double the food stamps, quadruple the fraud!

  • benjoginko Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    I for one would rather freely give $100.00 to the food bank than $20.00 taken from me in taxes. I'm pretty sure a much Higher percentage of my money would go to the needy that was given to the food bank than the money the government takes from me. I also imagine those who receive food from the food bank are more thankful for that than money they receive from SNAP.