Utah football: Utes obviously disappointed with Washington State outcome

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  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Nov. 26, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    SlopJ30, apparently you weren't watching the fans throwing stuff at the officials after the Utah game and yelling profusely. My daughter attends BYU and said many of the students were blaming officials for the loss for days after the game. Ask the officials if the stuff being thrown at them was "mythical" garbage.

    When Jake Heaps went out in the 54-10 loss to Utah, numerous Cougar fans were posting on this and other boards that it was a great thing for BYU and that Riley Nelson was the answer to all their woes.

    Perhaps it has been a bit too long since you attended BYU and maybe, just maybe, you don't know every fan on campus or off? Just a thought.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 26, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Where are all these mythical BYU fans who apparently blame every loss on injuries or officiating? I read Ute fans post about them here with some frequency, but despite having attended BYU and having many friends and family who are fans, I have never met them. Ditto for the ones who saw Riley Nelson as "the next Steve Young."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    All sports fans will experience humble pie at times.

    For every win, an equal amount of teams will lose. Nobody stays at the top forever.

  • razorback South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:00 p.m.


    "If beating Byu is so important to the University of Utah why would the U discontinue the playing Byu for 2 years?"

    It's not important to the UofU, which schedules opponents. It's important to UofU fans, who are not in charge of scheduling opponents.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Having gone to both schools, I'm a fan of both the U and the Y and unlike many others, don't feel the need to choose one over the other.

    Football for me is entertainment and both teams have been entertaining this year. The competition is for the players and the coaches.

    That said, I admit the games are more entertaining when you win, so I offer a humble suggestion for each team to help them be even more entertaining next year.

    Utah--Avoid the temptation to engage in the coaching carousel. Coaching turnover almost always leads to a mismatch between the type of players recruited for the former coach's style and those needed for a new coach's style. Plus, recruit, recruit, recruit.

    BYU--The bigger the game the more risk you should be willing to take. The Y seems to get conservative in big games. Also, game plan to your QB's strength. The best defense played against Hill is by the OC when he tries to make him a pocket passer. He's best on the move, so move him around.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    "This is the Arizona syndrome---who badly wanted to be in the PAC 8 and dragged along Arizona State who was fine remaining in the WAC at the time---that got their wish and have NEVER been to the Rose Bowl"

    True! Now ask them, and yourself, if for one moment they would go back! They've had some great teams ie. desert storm etc. but no Rose Bowl; however, look at how highly they are regarded by mid-major and independent teams when they can schedule 3 games in the next ten years on a home-home-"neutral" basis with terms highly in favor of Arizona. (Can't wait until next year when BYU plays the PAC-12 team, California! Believe me - they will be a great team which BYU can try for another "signature" win! The law of averages supports the belief that with enough of these games BYU will win one.)

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Nov. 25, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Some of them just can't help it - on both sides. Ah well, at least some fans can rise above the worst parts of the rivalry. I used to be a hater. But as the years have passed I have relaxed as I realized that a large portion of the players on each team could very well have gone to the other university. And a number of good friends of mine wear red whereas I prefer to don blue (I'm not talking politics). It is okay to be a fanatic and cheer and support your team. But when we seek to trash the other university that is in fact filled with our brothers....

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    BYU does not want to play in the pac because they require Sunday play. BYU will not set aside their values for the big money. It seems that Utah had no problem with setting aside any values they once had Sunday play and big money.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Utah loses to Washington State one year and the Cougs declare Utah the permanent cellar dwellers. Coug fans said Riley Nelson would be the next Steve Young, then are ready to stone him by the end of last year.

    Utah is not in the upper echelons of the Pac 12, neither will they remain cellar dwellars IMHO. Pile on Cougar fans, I'm sure it gives you some satisfaction to stick a stake in the chest of the team who has a double digit advantage in wins over BYU the last 21 seasons.

    The logic of not wanting to be in the Pac 12 is flawed. Would you rather have a chance to play in the Fiesta Bowl or be a perennial Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl participant? Would you rather be in a conference with a chance to play in the Rose Bowl or perpetually play in the Las Vegas Bowl? Would you rather play for the Canadian Football League championship or a chance at the Super Bowl?

    Win or lose, we would all want to play on the biggest stage possible. Your logic of Utah not wanting that opportunity simply because they are losing is weak.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Yes who would have thought that WSU would be difficult. I guess when you have a terrible offense and an average defense teas like WSU would be considered difficult. Good thing BYU beat them last year. So much for the mighty pac.

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    Nov. 25, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    While I am always happy to see Utah lose, I don't feel like we BYU fans have any reason to be pounding our chests. We lost head-to-head for the 4th straight year (makes we want to vomit). Our best win was not as impressive as Utah's best win. Our worst loss was probably worse than theirs (UVA). They still made much more money than us. We are headed to a bowl game only because our schedule is easier than theirs. Smack talk at this point is worthless from either side because both teams have had disappointing seasons. Anybody else feel like sitting down and commiserating over a nice, cold a root beer?

    (Okay, things aren't really THAT bad, but all the arguing at this point just seems petty.)

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Why all the angst?

    The experts at the first of the year predicted (yes, look it up in the DesNews) Utah to finish 5th in the PAC 12 South. That's right where they are, unless they lose to Colorado and then they'll be 6th.

    The fans that have a right to legitimately be disappointed this year are those of UCLA, Stanford and Oregon who have had to endure true upsets whereas Utes have just had to endure where they were picked. Utes also got the euphoria of beating Stanford and crowed all about it as if that were better than sliced bread after putting down BYU after the Cougars defeated Texas.

    The Utes claimed they wanted to be in the PAC 12, win OR lose, and they got their wish. Quit with all the belly-acing already. It is so unbecoming and hypocritical!!

    This is the Arizona syndrome---who badly wanted to be in the PAC 8 and dragged along Arizona State who was fine remaining in the WAC at the time---that got their wish and have NEVER been to the Rose Bowl. Utah can expect the same, having replaced Washington State in the basement of the league.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Utah was close in all of its games except Oregon. I'd call that COMPETING. Utah competes in the PAC12. They competed last year and the year before. All the games Utah played in were in doubt save Oregon until late in the fourth quarter.

    This was a great year for all three D1 football programs. Utah had great wins against USU, BYU and a home victory over the highest ranked team they have played to date in number five Stanford. USU is one win over Wyoming away from playing in the MWC championships. BYU throttled ranked Texas before beating Boise State, Georgia Tech, Houston and USU. Its been a fantastic year as all three programs played against better competition.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    When everyone talks about where Utah and BYU belongs they seem to be talking about football only. Let's look at ALL sports! When looking at all sport Championships while in a conference we see that Utah won a total of 39 Championships, while BYU won 139 championships. Sorry ute fans but BYU blows u away. With recent NC in Rugby, and Volleyball and challenging in several others, u don't even come close to competing with us. Football is one sport, but when compared with all, it is not even close. BYU belongs in a "Conference of Champions" much more than u. Trophy's prove who belongs where.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Yes, BYU and Utah have not lived up to expectations. At the same time, they have both been competitive in most of their respective games. Sure, it would be great to see BYU beat a Wisconsin or ND. And sure, it would be great for Utah to win a few more conference games. As it is, we will continue to watch and root for our respective teams because we are fans. So whether you are a Ute or a Cougar (I am the latter), mark this season down as another year to forget and put on those rose or azure colored glasses for next season

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Utah is not good enough to compete in the Pac 12 right now, but they were close in most every game. They are a very young team with a young QB and secondary. Many Ute fans hoped for better the first three years, but I didn't have delusions of grandeur. I knew it would be a tough road to hoe. Utah will get better and playing in the Pac 12 is still more fun. Call it lame Mmars, it beats the MWC. I travelled to watch a game at the LA Coliseum and the Rose Bowl the last couple years and will make my second trip to the Big House next year. Utah will get better by playing the best. It will take time to build a team that can compete and win.

    Why is it that BYU fans always blame officials or injuries when they lose, but don't realize the same when Utah experienced significant injuries?

    BTW Cougar fans, this was your toughest and best schedule since going independent and you had several cupcakes in the schedule. you lost to Virginia who has lost 8 straight. Your schedule in 2014 looks very soft.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Please explain how it is self evident.

  • Sandpiper Air Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:34 p.m.


    That would be a great conference if the utes and the Cougers got back in. Very competative conference and fun to watch. BYU and utah will never be able to compete with the elites. They are who they are.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Utah is going to be fine. Whittingham is a great coach. They have been competitive in every game this year except maybe the USC and Oregon games. And those games were not what I would consider as blow outs.

    Injuries have hurt them at key positions but they have some good recruits including Chase Hansen who is coming off his mission. Hang in there and you will start chalking up more wins in the PAC-12.

  • Mmars01 Lehi, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:52 a.m.


    Ute comments about BYU playing "high school teams" are so lame. Do you mean teams like Weber State...that you played earlier this year? Or do you mean teams like Idaho State...that you will play the beginning of next season? See what I mean. Utes are lame. The same things you say you hate about BYU are the same things others hate you for. Utes say they hate BYU because they are arrogant. Right back at you. Example, "love my PAC12 membership bla, bla, bla." Do you not understand how lame you sound?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Sports are not a constant.

    In time, the utes, and cougs will rise.


    * Baylor
    * Oklahoma State
    * Fresno
    * Boise State
    * Arizona-beating Oregon
    * Kansas State
    * Oregon
    * Utah State

    These teams were doormats at one time,---and some of the top teams have fallen as well.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    That UTAH belongs in the MWC with BSU, USU, Fesno St. and BYU is self evident. Moreover, they wouldn't fare any better with BYU's schedule this year than BYU has. At least BYU has had back-to-back winning seasons and bowling both years!

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    It's fair to say that neither the Y nor the U have fared as well as they wanted after leaving the MWC. Both fan bases live in glass houses to an extent.

    Both schools made decisions that made a lot of sense financially, but from a competitive standpoint the old MWC plus Boise and Fresno is a pretty solid conference. Oh well. I don't see Utah ever being a consistent threat to win PAC 12 titles; they'll be lucky to catch lightning in a bottle once every couple of decades.

    I admit to loving to imagine the diappointment of nonsense spewers like Chris B and their irrational loathing of BYU, but in reality I would like to see Utah succeed in the PAC-12. That is one area in which, frankly, some of you show a lack of character. I might talk trash now and then, but it's petty to actively root against a certain school on murky principle and generalizations alone. In 30 years of watching sports, I can say I've never followed a team for the sheer joy of watching them lose.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    I think Farid said it best.

    Both teams have loyal followings, both have had their moments in the sun. Strongly suggest both find a league that they can compete in, not necessarily dominate, so there is excitement and enjoyment in athletics.

    Athletics should be enjoyed, build young men and women for life and be positive. IMO the perennial top teams in the major college leagues are semi-pro teams and money is the name of the game. I prefer my "heroes" to be a little more rounded and complete.

    I sometimes think the D2 and D3 schools have a better concept of student-athlete. The teams may be a little less flashy but it is more true to the original concept.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Please justify your assertion that Utah belongs with Byu,BSU,USU, and Fresno.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    There's going to be a lot of empty seats at RES this week.

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    In all fairness I like Whittingham. I think he's a good guy and could be a good coach...except for the fact that he surrounds himself with idiots. Fire BJ, Finn, and Shah NOW!!! But he won't. He's too loyal and doesn't have the gonads to admit he made some stupid coaching hires. Could cost him his job.

    love how much attention Utah articles get from cougar fans. Get a clue. The Y is no better than the U. They would do no better in this conference. Keep beating up on high school teams

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Lets face it folks! Utah and BYU belong in the Mountain West with Boise State, Utah State and Fresno State.

    That's a really good conference still the same.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    @Johnny Triumph
    It seems that all the Byu fans live in an echo chamber and repeat the same drivel over and over.
    Please allow me to clarify. If beating Byu is so important to the University of Utah why would the U discontinue the playing Byu for 2 years? Since the hiatus has been announced there has been nonstop whining from the fans in blue, how do you reconcile that fact?

    The Utes beat #5, at the time, Stanford who is now rated in the top 10, that was the shining moment of the Utes season, the blue team has nothing to do with it. The Utes have played well through challenges and an immensely difficult schedule.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Thank you for joining the conference. We love your membership and your new position as the conference doormat.

    Colorado and WSU

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    When Utah joined the Pac-10 and BYU declared their independence a few years back, the joy of the seeing Utah football go big-time was quickly overshadowed by the fear that neither team could fill the shoes at the next level.

    How would Utah reach the level of UCLA, USC, Stanford and Oregon? If given the choice, why would a four-star athlete choose the Utes--the bad weather and smaller stadium and all--for teams who have been winning since the Roosevelt Administration (the first one!).

    And with a small recruiting pool to pick from, how could BYU get athletic enough and deep enough to play a Notre Dame-esque schedule and win?

    I am afraid that both programs are doomed to the periphery of winning, being just good enough to reach a bowl but do little more.

    For me, a 10-2 season in the MWC is much better than a 8-4 as an independent or Utah's 4-8 in the Pac-12.

    I get the whole money thing, but how many years of 6-5 or 5-6 will it take before the fans think of other things to do on a Saturday?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    @Joe Schmoe

    "You can only be happy about being in the Pac 12 for so long if you keep losing."

    You are probably correct! But for this Utah fan it will be a long time off before I will not be happy.

    I'm doubt I will ever not be proud or enjoy seeing all eleven members of the PAC-12 playing at RES. Every year USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, etc. will play in Utah. And I also will get to visit their campuses to see meaningful, conference games! Did I say Utah had to win for me not to enjoy this?

    And it is not just football! The PAC-12 was rated the second most difficult conference in football it is also the "Conference of Champions" in all college sports! "But wait, there's more". "! All twelve members are listed in the top three rating organizations* of world's top universities. In fact 8 (the University of Utah is one of the 8)are listed in the top 134, 82, or 256 depending on the rating service. (This is also the top 55, 59, or 47 universities in the United States!)

    I am a proud Utah and PAC-12 fan!

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Just order up some more Pac 12 stickers, you guys love those more than you do the team itself right? Oh, and I hear that Brunswick has Utah fans/players very HIGH on their list of desired customers this December break.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    @worf - don't forget SUU, they're in the playoffs too! 3 in-state teams made the post season.

    At least U beat BYU, Ute fans seem to need nothing else.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Three of Utah's wins, were gifts from other Utah teams, and still no bowl game.

    At least two state teams will bowl.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    The utes got "Couged."

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Utah definitely needs to shake things up in the coaching ranks. With the difficulty of next year being higher than this one the Utes will have to fight even harder to increase the win total enough to go bowling. This year Utes played eight games in state. Next year it will be six with non-conference games against Idaho State, Fresno State at home and Michigan on the road. Utah should beat Idaho State 100-0. The rest of the games will depend on which Utah team shows up. Utah IS capable of beating any team in the conference. Utah IS capable of losing to ANY team in the conference.

    So what is Utah going to do to change so that they win more than they lose?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    “I wish I had the answers,” Reilly said. “But I don’t.”


    I have two:

    Find some PAC-12 QBs. At the most critical position actually build depth and no a D2 and walk-on QB is not good enough for this league.

    Find some PAC-12 position coaches based on previous Big 5 experience. In particular QB, OL, DB, and WR coaches.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Mark it down! I love your BCS membership! LOL!!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    Dissapointing, but that's the way it goes. Utah needs to get the QB position figured out, Shulz is not the answer. The secondary and offensive lines are also suspect to say the least.


  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    I'd rather be the championship team in the old WAC than a bottom feeder in the PAC12. This stinks!

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    I seriously thought Utah would make a bowl game after the decent start they had. I was even hoping they would play BYU. Pretty disappointing season once again. You can only be happy about being in the Pac 12 for so long if you keep losing.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    Eric Rowe is still missing in action. The Utes need playmakers at safety and Rowe has disappointed repeatedly this season.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Nov. 24, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    It's not just Utah--the entire Pac-12 has been unpredictable this year. I don't know if that indicates parity or inconsistency, but I wouldn't have wanted to take bets on any Pac-12 game this year.

  • Mendel Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    @ Jarvis: Very nice comment! This is one of the best comments that I have read on this site. Sports are entertainment and should be taken as such. Some people take them more as a life and death situation, which they are not. Win or lose, the games can be enjoyed.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    Utah has been exciting to watch this year because one never knew what was going to happen. The Utes only game that was uninteresting was the Weber State game. As long as the Utes remain entertaining it shouldn't matter if they can win enough to get to a bowl game.