SlopJ30, apparently you weren't watching the fans throwing stuff at the
officials after the Utah game and yelling profusely. My daughter attends BYU
and said many of the students were blaming officials for the loss for days after
the game. Ask the officials if the stuff being thrown at them was
"mythical" garbage.When Jake Heaps went out in the 54-10
loss to Utah, numerous Cougar fans were posting on this and other boards that it
was a great thing for BYU and that Riley Nelson was the answer to all their
woes. Perhaps it has been a bit too long since you attended BYU and
maybe, just maybe, you don't know every fan on campus or off? Just a
Where are all these mythical BYU fans who apparently blame every loss on
injuries or officiating? I read Ute fans post about them here with some
frequency, but despite having attended BYU and having many friends and family
who are fans, I have never met them. Ditto for the ones who saw Riley Nelson as
"the next Steve Young."
All sports fans will experience humble pie at times.For every win,
an equal amount of teams will lose. Nobody stays at the top forever.
@81Ute"If beating Byu is so important to the University of Utah
why would the U discontinue the playing Byu for 2 years?"It's not important to the UofU, which schedules opponents. It's
important to UofU fans, who are not in charge of scheduling opponents.
Having gone to both schools, I'm a fan of both the U and the Y and unlike
many others, don't feel the need to choose one over the other.Football for me is entertainment and both teams have been entertaining this
year. The competition is for the players and the coaches.That said,
I admit the games are more entertaining when you win, so I offer a humble
suggestion for each team to help them be even more entertaining next year.Utah--Avoid the temptation to engage in the coaching carousel. Coaching
turnover almost always leads to a mismatch between the type of players recruited
for the former coach's style and those needed for a new coach's style.
Plus, recruit, recruit, recruit.BYU--The bigger the game the more
risk you should be willing to take. The Y seems to get conservative in big
games. Also, game plan to your QB's strength. The best defense played
against Hill is by the OC when he tries to make him a pocket passer. He's
best on the move, so move him around.
@toosmartforyou"This is the Arizona syndrome---who badly wanted to be
in the PAC 8 and dragged along Arizona State who was fine remaining in the WAC
at the time---that got their wish and have NEVER been to the Rose Bowl"True! Now ask them, and yourself, if for one moment they would go back!
They've had some great teams ie. desert storm etc. but no Rose Bowl;
however, look at how highly they are regarded by mid-major and independent teams
when they can schedule 3 games in the next ten years on a
home-home-"neutral" basis with terms highly in favor of Arizona.
(Can't wait until next year when BYU plays the PAC-12 team, California!
Believe me - they will be a great team which BYU can try for another
"signature" win! The law of averages supports the belief that with
enough of these games BYU will win one.)
Some of them just can't help it - on both sides. Ah well, at least some
fans can rise above the worst parts of the rivalry. I used to be a hater. But as
the years have passed I have relaxed as I realized that a large portion of the
players on each team could very well have gone to the other university. And a
number of good friends of mine wear red whereas I prefer to don blue (I'm
not talking politics). It is okay to be a fanatic and cheer and support your
team. But when we seek to trash the other university that is in fact filled with
Draper,BYU does not want to play in the pac because they require Sunday
play. BYU will not set aside their values for the big money. It seems that
Utah had no problem with setting aside any values they once had Sunday play and
Utah loses to Washington State one year and the Cougs declare Utah the permanent
cellar dwellers. Coug fans said Riley Nelson would be the next Steve Young, then
are ready to stone him by the end of last year. Utah is not in the
upper echelons of the Pac 12, neither will they remain cellar dwellars IMHO.
Pile on Cougar fans, I'm sure it gives you some satisfaction to stick a
stake in the chest of the team who has a double digit advantage in wins over BYU
the last 21 seasons.The logic of not wanting to be in the Pac 12 is
flawed. Would you rather have a chance to play in the Fiesta Bowl or be a
perennial Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl participant? Would you rather be in a
conference with a chance to play in the Rose Bowl or perpetually play in the Las
Vegas Bowl? Would you rather play for the Canadian Football League championship
or a chance at the Super Bowl? Win or lose, we would all want to
play on the biggest stage possible. Your logic of Utah not wanting that
opportunity simply because they are losing is weak.
81ute,Yes who would have thought that WSU would be difficult. I guess when
you have a terrible offense and an average defense teas like WSU would be
considered difficult. Good thing BYU beat them last year. So much for the
While I am always happy to see Utah lose, I don't feel like we BYU fans
have any reason to be pounding our chests. We lost head-to-head for the 4th
straight year (makes we want to vomit). Our best win was not as impressive as
Utah's best win. Our worst loss was probably worse than theirs (UVA). They
still made much more money than us. We are headed to a bowl game only because
our schedule is easier than theirs. Smack talk at this point is worthless from
either side because both teams have had disappointing seasons. Anybody else feel
like sitting down and commiserating over a nice, cold a root beer?(Okay, things aren't really THAT bad, but all the arguing at this point
just seems petty.)
Why all the angst?The experts at the first of the year predicted
(yes, look it up in the DesNews) Utah to finish 5th in the PAC 12 South.
That's right where they are, unless they lose to Colorado and then
they'll be 6th.The fans that have a right to legitimately be
disappointed this year are those of UCLA, Stanford and Oregon who have had to
endure true upsets whereas Utes have just had to endure where they were picked.
Utes also got the euphoria of beating Stanford and crowed all about it as if
that were better than sliced bread after putting down BYU after the Cougars
defeated Texas.The Utes claimed they wanted to be in the PAC 12, win
OR lose, and they got their wish. Quit with all the belly-acing already. It is
so unbecoming and hypocritical!! This is the Arizona syndrome---who
badly wanted to be in the PAC 8 and dragged along Arizona State who was fine
remaining in the WAC at the time---that got their wish and have NEVER been to
the Rose Bowl. Utah can expect the same, having replaced Washington State in
the basement of the league.
Utah was close in all of its games except Oregon. I'd call that COMPETING.
Utah competes in the PAC12. They competed last year and the year before. All
the games Utah played in were in doubt save Oregon until late in the fourth
quarter.This was a great year for all three D1 football programs.
Utah had great wins against USU, BYU and a home victory over the highest ranked
team they have played to date in number five Stanford. USU is one win over
Wyoming away from playing in the MWC championships. BYU throttled ranked Texas
before beating Boise State, Georgia Tech, Houston and USU. Its been a fantastic
year as all three programs played against better competition.
When everyone talks about where Utah and BYU belongs they seem to be talking
about football only. Let's look at ALL sports! When looking at all sport
Championships while in a conference we see that Utah won a total of 39
Championships, while BYU won 139 championships. Sorry ute fans but BYU blows u
away. With recent NC in Rugby, and Volleyball and challenging in several others,
u don't even come close to competing with us. Football is one sport, but
when compared with all, it is not even close. BYU belongs in a "Conference
of Champions" much more than u. Trophy's prove who belongs where.
Yes, BYU and Utah have not lived up to expectations. At the same time, they have
both been competitive in most of their respective games. Sure, it would be great
to see BYU beat a Wisconsin or ND. And sure, it would be great for Utah to win a
few more conference games. As it is, we will continue to watch and root for our
respective teams because we are fans. So whether you are a Ute or a Cougar (I am
the latter), mark this season down as another year to forget and put on those
rose or azure colored glasses for next season
Utah is not good enough to compete in the Pac 12 right now, but they were close
in most every game. They are a very young team with a young QB and secondary.
Many Ute fans hoped for better the first three years, but I didn't have
delusions of grandeur. I knew it would be a tough road to hoe. Utah will get
better and playing in the Pac 12 is still more fun. Call it lame Mmars, it beats
the MWC. I travelled to watch a game at the LA Coliseum and the Rose Bowl the
last couple years and will make my second trip to the Big House next year. Utah
will get better by playing the best. It will take time to build a team that can
compete and win. Why is it that BYU fans always blame officials or
injuries when they lose, but don't realize the same when Utah experienced
significant injuries? BTW Cougar fans, this was your toughest and
best schedule since going independent and you had several cupcakes in the
schedule. you lost to Virginia who has lost 8 straight. Your schedule in 2014
looks very soft.
@MeckofahessPlease explain how it is self evident.
@USAloverThat would be a great conference if the utes and the
Cougers got back in. Very competative conference and fun to watch. BYU and
utah will never be able to compete with the elites. They are who they are.
Utah is going to be fine. Whittingham is a great coach. They have been
competitive in every game this year except maybe the USC and Oregon games. And
those games were not what I would consider as blow outs.Injuries
have hurt them at key positions but they have some good recruits including Chase
Hansen who is coming off his mission. Hang in there and you will start chalking
up more wins in the PAC-12.
@redthunderUte comments about BYU playing "high school
teams" are so lame. Do you mean teams like Weber State...that you played
earlier this year? Or do you mean teams like Idaho State...that you will play
the beginning of next season? See what I mean. Utes are lame. The same things
you say you hate about BYU are the same things others hate you for. Utes say
they hate BYU because they are arrogant. Right back at you. Example, "love
my PAC12 membership bla, bla, bla." Do you not understand how lame you
Sports are not a constant.In time, the utes, and cougs will rise.Examples:* Baylor* Oklahoma State* Fresno*
Boise State* Arizona-beating Oregon* Kansas State* Oregon* Utah StateThese teams were doormats at one time,---and some of
the top teams have fallen as well.
That UTAH belongs in the MWC with BSU, USU, Fesno St. and BYU is self evident.
Moreover, they wouldn't fare any better with BYU's schedule this year
than BYU has. At least BYU has had back-to-back winning seasons and bowling
It's fair to say that neither the Y nor the U have fared as well as they
wanted after leaving the MWC. Both fan bases live in glass houses to an extent.
Both schools made decisions that made a lot of sense financially,
but from a competitive standpoint the old MWC plus Boise and Fresno is a pretty
solid conference. Oh well. I don't see Utah ever being a consistent threat
to win PAC 12 titles; they'll be lucky to catch lightning in a bottle once
every couple of decades. I admit to loving to imagine the
diappointment of nonsense spewers like Chris B and their irrational loathing of
BYU, but in reality I would like to see Utah succeed in the PAC-12. That is one
area in which, frankly, some of you show a lack of character. I might talk trash
now and then, but it's petty to actively root against a certain school on
murky principle and generalizations alone. In 30 years of watching sports, I can
say I've never followed a team for the sheer joy of watching them lose.
I think Farid said it best. Both teams have loyal followings, both
have had their moments in the sun. Strongly suggest both find a league that
they can compete in, not necessarily dominate, so there is excitement and
enjoyment in athletics.Athletics should be enjoyed, build young men
and women for life and be positive. IMO the perennial top teams in the major
college leagues are semi-pro teams and money is the name of the game. I prefer
my "heroes" to be a little more rounded and complete.I
sometimes think the D2 and D3 schools have a better concept of student-athlete.
The teams may be a little less flashy but it is more true to the original
@USAloverPlease justify your assertion that Utah belongs with Byu,BSU,USU,
There's going to be a lot of empty seats at RES this week.
In all fairness I like Whittingham. I think he's a good guy and could be a
good coach...except for the fact that he surrounds himself with idiots. Fire BJ,
Finn, and Shah NOW!!! But he won't. He's too loyal and doesn't
have the gonads to admit he made some stupid coaching hires. Could cost him his
job.love how much attention Utah articles get from cougar fans. Get
a clue. The Y is no better than the U. They would do no better in this
conference. Keep beating up on high school teams
Lets face it folks! Utah and BYU belong in the Mountain West with Boise State,
Utah State and Fresno State.That's a really good conference
still the same.
@Johnny TriumphIt seems that all the Byu fans live in an echo chamber and
repeat the same drivel over and over. Please allow me to clarify. If
beating Byu is so important to the University of Utah why would the U
discontinue the playing Byu for 2 years? Since the hiatus has been announced
there has been nonstop whining from the fans in blue, how do you reconcile that
fact?The Utes beat #5, at the time, Stanford who is now rated in the
top 10, that was the shining moment of the Utes season, the blue team has
nothing to do with it. The Utes have played well through challenges and an
immensely difficult schedule.
Thank you for joining the conference. We love your membership and your new
position as the conference doormat.Signed,Colorado and WSU
When Utah joined the Pac-10 and BYU declared their independence a few years
back, the joy of the seeing Utah football go big-time was quickly overshadowed
by the fear that neither team could fill the shoes at the next level.How would Utah reach the level of UCLA, USC, Stanford and Oregon? If given the
choice, why would a four-star athlete choose the Utes--the bad weather and
smaller stadium and all--for teams who have been winning since the Roosevelt
Administration (the first one!). And with a small recruiting pool to
pick from, how could BYU get athletic enough and deep enough to play a Notre
Dame-esque schedule and win?I am afraid that both programs are
doomed to the periphery of winning, being just good enough to reach a bowl but
do little more. For me, a 10-2 season in the MWC is much better than
a 8-4 as an independent or Utah's 4-8 in the Pac-12. I get the
whole money thing, but how many years of 6-5 or 5-6 will it take before the fans
think of other things to do on a Saturday?
@Joe Schmoe"You can only be happy about being in the Pac 12 for
so long if you keep losing."You are probably correct! But for
this Utah fan it will be a long time off before I will not be happy. I'm doubt I will ever not be proud or enjoy seeing all eleven members of
the PAC-12 playing at RES. Every year USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, etc. will
play in Utah. And I also will get to visit their campuses to see meaningful,
conference games! Did I say Utah had to win for me not to enjoy this?And it is not just football! The PAC-12 was rated the second most difficult
conference in football it is also the "Conference of Champions" in all
college sports! "But wait, there's more". "! All twelve
members are listed in the top three rating organizations* of world's top
universities. In fact 8 (the University of Utah is one of the 8)are listed in
the top 134, 82, or 256 depending on the rating service. (This is also the top
55, 59, or 47 universities in the United States!)I am a proud Utah
and PAC-12 fan!
Just order up some more Pac 12 stickers, you guys love those more than you do
the team itself right? Oh, and I hear that Brunswick has Utah fans/players very
HIGH on their list of desired customers this December break.
@worf - don't forget SUU, they're in the playoffs too! 3 in-state
teams made the post season.At least U beat BYU, Ute fans seem to
need nothing else.
Three of Utah's wins, were gifts from other Utah teams, and still no bowl
game.At least two state teams will bowl.
The utes got "Couged."
Utah definitely needs to shake things up in the coaching ranks. With the
difficulty of next year being higher than this one the Utes will have to fight
even harder to increase the win total enough to go bowling. This year Utes
played eight games in state. Next year it will be six with non-conference games
against Idaho State, Fresno State at home and Michigan on the road. Utah should
beat Idaho State 100-0. The rest of the games will depend on which Utah team
shows up. Utah IS capable of beating any team in the conference. Utah IS
capable of losing to ANY team in the conference.So what is Utah
going to do to change so that they win more than they lose?
“I wish I had the answers,” Reilly said. “But I
don’t.”------------I have two:Find some PAC-12 QBs. At the most critical position actually build depth and
no a D2 and walk-on QB is not good enough for this league.Find some
PAC-12 position coaches based on previous Big 5 experience. In particular QB,
OL, DB, and WR coaches.
Mark it down! I love your BCS membership! LOL!!
Dissapointing, but that's the way it goes. Utah needs to get the QB
position figured out, Shulz is not the answer. The secondary and offensive lines
are also suspect to say the least. GO SEAHAWKS!
I'd rather be the championship team in the old WAC than a bottom feeder in
the PAC12. This stinks!
I seriously thought Utah would make a bowl game after the decent start they had.
I was even hoping they would play BYU. Pretty disappointing season once again.
You can only be happy about being in the Pac 12 for so long if you keep losing.
Eric Rowe is still missing in action. The Utes need playmakers at safety and
Rowe has disappointed repeatedly this season.
It's not just Utah--the entire Pac-12 has been unpredictable this year. I
don't know if that indicates parity or inconsistency, but I wouldn't
have wanted to take bets on any Pac-12 game this year.
@ Jarvis: Very nice comment! This is one of the best comments that I have read
on this site. Sports are entertainment and should be taken as such. Some
people take them more as a life and death situation, which they are not. Win or
lose, the games can be enjoyed.
Utah has been exciting to watch this year because one never knew what was going
to happen. The Utes only game that was uninteresting was the Weber State game.
As long as the Utes remain entertaining it shouldn't matter if they can win
enough to get to a bowl game.