Utah Jazz: Lineup changes could be in store as Jazz face Thunder

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  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    King Black: Very well put. The outside "wide open" looks these guys miss are effecting the inside play of Kanter and Favors. Jazz opponents are now sagging off daring these guys to throw up bricks. It's getting so bad that the Jazz cannot even set up the isolation post play that they've ran over the years. When Kanter of Favors post up low, they are all ready double or triple teamed. The Jazz then fumble as they swing the ball to the weak side for that open look only to throw up a brick. If they're getting the open looks, then the coach taught them the offense, he can't shoot for them. I think the problem is the personnel on the floor. Hayward is not Kobe and the Jazz are relying on him like he is. Burks isn't a NBA ready point guard. Burkes is a third option second unit two guard. Lucas didn't get minutes on other teams for a reason, (see Jimmer). Williams is a recovering athlete that never was a super star. Jefferson had skill, (too old). Corbin doesn't have much to work with, so let's keep it real.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 11:51 p.m.

    I apologize, I didn't make my last post clear. I was referring to last season losing to below .500 teams. I don't think we are going to ever agree though. The longer we go the more condescending you are getting which is disappointing. I don't think I ever said Kanter and Favors are playing great defense. My point is that if no matter who is playing, they play bad, I have to blame the coach. How long does Corbin get a pass? Somewhere along the line you have to ask yourself why are all our top 10 draft picks bad, shooting poorly, and not improving? Does Corbin have them practice? Well either management has failed several times in the past couple years evaluating talent, or our coaches are, or both. The facts show the Corbin coached teams are below .500 teams. That's how we judge coaches these days. Wins and losses. He is failing badly there. When was the last time you saw a franchise fire the team? It doesn't happen. If changes need to be made because of poor performance it is the coach. You'll see that sooner than later if the Jazz don't improve.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:39 p.m.


    And lol I just realized your comment "Did you see the big losses on the road to below .500 teams?" as if Utah has any room to complain about losing in any manner to teams below .500 lol bwahhahaahha we are a BELOW .100 team (.067) to be exact lol Only teams above .500 have the right to complain about losing to badly to sub .500 teams us as Jazz fans dont especially those who wanted the year of the Yung so badly which isnt bad but my gosh give blame where blame is due thats to the coaches and PLAYERS all of them.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:18 p.m.


    Ok I see valid complaint until you look at the overall picture and that is you are ignoring what I said "I never seen SO MANY average (or below average) big men in the NBA put up big numbers as I have seen when they face Utah" again key words SO MANY.. if we are going to nit pick a entire season then by all means lets do it this year its basically every single game I I said of coruse Jeff and Sap had their Defensive issue sbut my goodness this was suppose to be the D year from fav and Kant so why is it that no one calls them out for the garbage D they are doing the same way you guys did Jeff and Sap they are even worse this year thats my point.

    Yes the Coach is suppose to get the players to play better and eliminate defensive lapses. But umm, you can teach a grown man 1000 times how to do something but if they keep F'ng up at some point you have to call them out for it something you fans are not doing, just blame the coach.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 10:02 p.m.


    Im talking about last year and years before in comebacks when they win you were not only talking about this year... anyways maybe just maybe the reason why they keep getting down by so much is because (drum roll) they just suck.. the players just cant make any shots when WIDE OPEN.... I mean come on now they get paid MILIIONS coach can only do so much. I seen the big ldefeats I also seen the games when they were close within a few points you know what happened in those games???... they were making their shots thats what happened those games since those games they have been shooting horrible the worse in the league I believe in all phases of the game, its not even close...

    Ya blame that all on the coach. I dont care how great you are as a coach if your team is consistently shooting below 40% shooting you are not winning crap. Case in point again tonight against OKC the jazz shot a whopping 39% fg, 22% 3pt and 44% FT, and you are telling me thats the coaches fault lol bwahahahahahhhahahaahhahah 44% FT come on now who wins games like this

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    It's great to develop talent but you have to have talent to develop.

    Kanter and Favors play more like Ostertag than Malone
    Hayward can't shoot.
    Point guard, no comment. Trade for Jimmer. I know Jazz fans hate Jimmer but would he be any worse than these guys. He would at least be interesting to watch.
    Burks, play him more but don't expect a superstar.
    I'm not sure our #1 pick will ever shoot a high percentage.

    I think the Jazz will stink for a long, long time. I was willing to give Corbin the benefit of the doubt but I think he's over his head. But Phil Jackson or Red Auerbach from his grave couldn't get 20 wins from this unit. The management is clueless.

    The only thing interesting to see is whether the Jazz will actually trade for Jimmer and/or have the worst season in NBA history.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    And yes uninspired. Did you see the Houston Rockets blowout at home by 45 points? Was that inspired? Did you see the Knicks without half their starting lineup come in to the ESA and blow us out by 30? Did you see the big losses on the road to below .500 teams? And how do we get down by such large margins and have to make those "spirited comebacks?" I'll tell you, uninspired play. If we played inspired we wouldn't have to make comebacks. And remember those comebacks are usually in garbage time anyway when the game is long over or when the other team is just going through the motions because they have a large lead. Corbin will not last this season if things don't change quickly.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    Average or garbage men were not having big games against paul or al last year? Robin Lopez 18 pts, 7 rebs on November 28, 2012. JJ Hickson 21 pts, 11 rebs Feb 2, 2013. Marcus Morris 16 pts on 4 of 6 shooting from behind the three point line, January 28, 2013. Jonas Jerebko 15 pts on March 11, 2013-he is averaging 2 points per game this year. Derrick Williams 18 pts on April 15, 2013-he is averaging 5 pts per game this year. Patrick Patterson 19 pts on November 19, 2012-he averages 7 pts per game this year. These are a few examples not mentioning the above average players that consistently worked millsap and jefferson. The interior defense is no worse than last year. Even Jazz apologists like David Locke talked about how Jefferson and Millsap were poor defenders. And no I'm not really seeing a whole lot of development out of favors. In fact his blocks, rebounds, and points per 36 minutes is worse this year than last. Hayward has looked poor. There has not been development. It's Corbin's job to get the players to play better and eliminate defensive lapses. Plain and simple.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:52 p.m.


    uninspired??? On what level... So when they go to 4 over times, show spirit in come backs, is that uninspired. I tell you what is uninspired losing, So you need vets at times to get the spirits up example Willimas pumping them up when they beat NO, he was very inspired unlike some of the youngs (because young players tend to get down easier). Yes Corbin has his faults but this year I dont see much bad with him hes calling plays hes active with players as they are on the court. I mean there is only so much a coach can do if the multi million dollar players cant hit WIDE OPEN SHOTS that the play calling is giving them, hit FT (they have got to have one of the worse FT % in the league), keep making stupid turnovers, lapses in D rotation then im sorry I cant blame the coach for that. The players have to take some fault at some point, teh same way you fans always found fault with Jeff and Sap years before.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    @ Tenn12

    Maybe you didnt comprehend my comment, I vividly state that "I never seen so many average (or below average) big men in the NBA put up big numbers as I have seen when they face Utah"
    What that means Last year with Utah, the year before with Utah or any team for that matter I have never seen so many average big men have this many good games. So this means this was no problem last year. Last year Jeff and Sap had their issues on D but in no way were average or garbage big men having breakout games against them every night. No development.. I see development, Is Favors not better in certain areas?? Is Kanter not better in certain areas?? What the problem is that we have a team full of young talent but yet fans still dont seem to try to put any blame on them as the did with others i.e. Jeff and Sap, now that they are gone its all Corbins fault that they keep missing wide open shots even tho the offense Corbin haves them playing is giving them open shots, is that his fault? Missing FT, stupid turnovers?

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    King Black,
    A couple questions for you. What is the job of a head coach? What is coach Corbin's job? You talk about how last year's defense was poor with Jefferson and Millsap and continues to be poor with the new guys. So… who's fault is that? Shouldn't the head coach be able to get something out of his players? The team has played completely uninspired basketball the last few years. So.. again, where does the buck stop? It stops with Corbin. He is the head coach. Sorry, but it's true. He may be a nice guy, but he is clearly not made out to be a head coach at this point in time. His teams do not give consistent efforts, struggle offensively, and struggle defensively. Basically they don't do anything well. Yes, Corbin is to blame. No development is taking place with the young guys. Very concerning.

  • Maverick West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    The purpose of the season was to develop players, a primary component of that is playing time and starters minutes. If sitting on the bench is development, then Favors, Kanter, and Burks have had plenty of development already. I understand winning is important but isn't it the coaches job to get the results with the players that are the future of the Jazz? Let's not waste another season not playing the young core! Jefferson and Williams probably won't be here next season.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    --2nd continue--
    This much losing is not good for anyone especially young players so a change may be needed try something. And yes thats what pre-season and training camp are for but have you forgotten the Jazz had many injuries so they couldnt work with everything or is that Corbins fault again somehow, or as if pre-season if enough time to somehow determine how you want a lineup to be with basically a brand new freaking team with tons of young players.

    How about you finally put some blame on your beloved young players the same way you guys put the blame on Jeff and Sap and other vets last season and seasons before???

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    I mean it doesnt seem to matter if its a really good big man or your average NBA big man it seems they all have big nights against Utah and somehow thats Corbins fault the team cant make free throws, miss wide open shots and make some of the most ridiculous turnovers???? This is what everyone wanted so they are getting it the young guys have taken over and now you guys B and complain because of all the losing now a change is made to try and calm the storm of all the losing now you are back to your same old same old fan tactics saying what about the young guys Corbin doesnt get the picture BS rant, as if the young guys still are not going to get their minutes???

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Nov. 24, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    @gehelmke are you kidding me really same old Corbin because he is putting Williams in the starting line up. I bet you were complaining your head off with how they are losing because obviously at the moment its not working did you miss the part where they state when Kanter and favors play together the Jazz are the worst. I mean have you watched any of the games??? The inside defense is just horrible and yet I hear no one complaining about how bad Fav and Kants D has been so far this year yes it could get better, yet last year and years before all you guys did was talk about how bad Jefferson and Milsap was on D. I never seen so many average (or below average) big men in the NBA put up big numbers as I have seen when they face Utah.

  • Red and Blue VANCOUVER, WA
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Just how long are fans suppose to wait for Miller and Corbin to do something? Its really getting old. Being last place in the league is so degrading. Come on Miller, do something! Perhaps getting a new coach would be a great start.

  • gehelmke Bastrop, TX
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    But of course, Corbin is going to change his lineup fourteen games into the season.....When he started bad last year, he benched Hayward.....A lineup change is his answer to everything.
    One can't help but wonder what he thinks training camp and the pre-season games are for...

    And let's look at his proposed changes for a minute or two:
    1) Starting Burke at the point....This is only a return to what was in place until Burke got hurt. I once knew a coach who said a player should never lose his starting job because he got injured...So this is not "really" a change.
    2) Starting Marvin Williams at strong forward.....Since he also proposes benching Kanter, I would have to imagine he's talking about moving Favors back to center, which I believe to be Favors' natural position.....This is typical Corbin. Williams is an 11 yr vet. The program is to get game experience for the young core group...Apparently Corbin has a different program in mind.

    Corbin needs to get on board or get off the ship...

  • md Cache, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    At this rate, they are on pace to win 5 to 6 games this year. This gives them the potential to be the all-time worst NBA team! Nice. Bring on Jabari!

  • Jazz2Win Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 1:34 a.m.

    It would be nice to see how the Kanter/Favors combo works with Burke in the lineup as a starter before making such a change.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    Prediction: Ty Corbin will still be trying to find a starting line-up in April. He never found one last year, and he won't this year.