Deaths of two boys in South Jordan ruled a murder-suicide

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  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    "You should be careful throwing around such claims. The original claim was based on a small scale study in a single county in Washington, in which 86% of the cases were suicides. Furthermore, the authors admitted to omitting all the, "cases in which burglars or intruders are wounded or frightened away by the use or display of a firearm." "

    Well, that's not really true, Shane. I assume you are referring to the Kellerman study. A small scale study? I don't know if you can call six years of stats of Seattle gun violence a small scale study. That was the first. Kellerman helmed more studies of gun violence and other studies have backed his claims.

  • perspicacious Salt lake city, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    This is very tragic. But it is time for the police and media to provide explanations. Adult in house, other juveniles, guns stolen, from where and when, background and past offenses of kids, schools and classes, truancy, etc? Ttransparency is needed to avoid more tragedies like this.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    Ya well if the guns had been secured they would have been so easy to steal huh?

    Gun lovers that buy so many guns and leave them unsecured for teens with yet to be fully formed brains to "steal" is the second problem.

    The first problem is that people confuse a gun with defense in the first place. Locks, strong doors, and an alarm keep armed gunmen out of your home in the first place.

    If an armed gunman gets into your home and has the chance to threaten your family, YOU have already failed to protect your family and should be ashamed not proud.

    For every story I see where a gun is used to shoot someone IN YOUR own home, I think of what a miserable failure the security was in the first place. Gun nuts are driven to fail so they have a chance to prove the last resort really works. It's like you want it to happen.

  • manuretruck St. George, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    I knew it. The guns were stolen. So all you people who cried on the initial story about having to pass laws requiring safe storage "FOR THE CHIIIIILLDREEEN" can calm down now. Turns out these "innocent children" stole them and had malicious plans for them.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    You should be careful throwing around such claims. The original claim was based on a small scale study in a single county in Washington, in which 86% of the cases were suicides. Furthermore, the authors admitted to omitting all the, "cases in which burglars or intruders are wounded or frightened away by the use or display of a firearm."

    When one considers that firearms are defensively used approx. 2 million times a year, and in most cases the mere appearance of the firearm is enough to deter burglars or other criminals, firearms save far more innocent lives than they endanger.

    Furthermore, this particular sad case involves STOLEN firearms, and the only person reported at this time to possess or use any of them was the one who killed his friend and then himself. So trotting out poor claims against lawful gun ownership is really in bad taste here.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    I am uncomfortable with a couple of things. One, the non-answers to basic questions make rumors fly around like bees in a hive. When will a more complete report be made public? I understand the need for privacy for the families involved but the evasive responses just make me wonder what happened, and why?

    Second, I am uncomfortable that anti-second amendment harpies seek to compound a tragedy with their personal political opinion(s). There is so much attention focused on a small number of accidents (unintended injuries) from fire arm misuse. We tend to include those tragic events in the same class as firearm violence which is the intended injury or death of another person from a firearm (Gang violence or defense of home or life). Both totals are dwarfed by alcohol related traffic events which kill and injure tens of thousands annually. Yet we wink and ignore substance abuse and driving as though there is a right to drive impaired, which there is none.

    This is a sad happening, So sad.

  • Cottonwood Cougar Cottonwood, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    @FT: Driving a car is a privilege.(Where are all the activists against the auto makers and sellers when someone gets killed either accidentally or intentionally with a car?) Having the means to protect oneself and family against harm from intruders or a tyrannical government is not a privilege, it is a right. The founding fathers enumerated the basic rights that are guaranteed (not granted) by the Constitution in the first amendment and in the second amendment named the means whereby those rights were to be enforced by the citizenry. If you do not want to have that right, that's fine. Just do not proscribe my right with your lies, distortions and half-truths. This is a TRAGIC situation, do not compound it by jumping on the anti self-protection band wagon.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    Apparently Sneaky Jimmy, the investigation led to the finding of Murder-Suicide.
    This incredible young man "a lover and a peace keeper," according to his mother, had a history of problems.
    This whole situation is terrible and I am deeply saddened by it.

  • spudman Cottonwood, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    As tragic of a situation as this is I have to wonder why, if the other boys were not arrested or booked why were their Constitutional rights violated and their DNA, fingerprints and photos taken? When did the police start to think they can just take this evidence from people without due process and warrants? So can a police officer take this stuff from us when they pull us over for speeding?

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    This is very sad. Sad that life is that tough for two young men. It may have been accident/suicide unless the police have definitive evidence.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Extremely sad situation. I had a hunch when the police didn't previously indicate a search for suspects.

    I am curious as to the three stolen firearms discovered in the home. Were any of the firearms found to be in the homeowner's possession? How many were brought to the home by the teen who shot his friend and then himself? Or did the teen acquire the firearms at the home? Who were the firearms stolen from and how?

    Still prayers of comfort to the families of those who died.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    So this is an absolute tragedy for the families and the community and my heart goes out to them for their losses. Gun ownership in America is a constitional right but people need to understand the terrible risks that go with that privalege. It's a fact that a person is 25 times more likely to have a gun in their home be used against them or a family member than an intruder. So, unless you're a hunter that keeps his firearms securely stored your family is much safer without a gun in the home. Don't fall prey to all the propoganda and fear being peddled by the NRA and gun lobbies.