Attitudes shifting on federal role in providing health insurance

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 25, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Obama has been preaching this for over six years.

    Why an attitude change now?

    @Pagan--Why should tax dollars go to either. Tax dollars are money forcefully taken from the people.

    Your figures of four trillion dollars, and 500,000 lives, is highly exaggerated.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 6:48 p.m.


    Nothing has improved, you just replaced an insurance company with a government bureaucrat, who will make the exact same decisions and be colder (death panels, as written into law as part of a subsequent stimulus bill), and worse you will have no where else to turn.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Drone strikes began in Pakistan…


  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    Re Tekakaromatage

    Are you taking into account all of the grandmothers lives who are saved with each terrorist that is killed?

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    The paranoia of it all.
    Right wing legislators, media, Republicans, and, "famous" radio hosts will do and say anything and everything to stop the ACA.
    Not having the funding that Mitt Romney has for betting large amounts of $ on issues.....
    Everyone knows if a Republican President had initiated the ACA, all the problems would simply be "just little glitches to be worked through, Not to worry".
    Wanna bet?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Re Tekakaromatagi

    Assuming this grandmother was an innocent person it is unfortunate that she died but you neglected to mention the terrorists that were killed in the strike, the people they had killed in the past and all the people they were destined to kill in the future. Probably a net of 50+ people's lives were saved as a result of this drone strike.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    The prime example of government health care is the VA hospital system. Those who are familiar with the VA usually go there only for routine check ups or as a last resort. It is single payer, but it is not efficient. The unintended consequences and bungled roll out of Obamacare are carrying on the tradition of government medicine; decisions are made by civil service bureaucrats far away in Washington, waste and inefficiencies abound, things go wrong and seldom is anyone held responsible.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    "Those drones are killing terrorists not grandmothers. " I signed a petition last week from Amnesty International. An eight year old girl in Pakistan witnessed her grandmother get hit by two rockets fired by a drone while the grandmother was weeding the vegetable garden.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    I would rather my tax dollars go to helping Americans have healthcare…

    than $4 trillion dollars spent in Iraq. That cost 500,000 lives.

    Priorities people.

  • md Cache, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    @Hutterite re:"This does not by any means mean that government is involved in the doctor/patient relationship; I know this to be fact and it's just a scare tactic."

    This is not a scare tactic. The government now knows everything you tell your doctor. It is in the rules that we have been forced to follow since electronic medical records have been "encouraged" by the government. I know it is not a scare tactic, because I am a physician. I am in a large group practice. We have electronic medical records. The information IS available to the government.

    Please. Be informed before you start ranting about your liberal beliefs.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 23, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    If Obmacare has taught us anything it had proven that the government is incapable of running healthcare! Too complicated, too much bureaucracy, too inefficient, too much opportunity for fraud and abuse, too much unfairness and most of all, far too expensive. Medicare and Medicaid are other examples of government malfeasance; financially broken, billion of waste and fraud, and more and more doctors refuse to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:09 a.m.

    Re Tekakaromatagi

    Those drones are killing terrorists not grandmothers. These drones do however save the lives of grandmother's who otherwise would have been killed by the terrorists.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 23, 2013 3:02 a.m.

    I voted for president Obama twice and favor government helping to ensure that all people get decent health care.

    Nevertheless I think it fortunate that the brakes have been put on President Obamas's popularity. This is fortunate because of what he tried to do to American Gun rights and what he might have still done had his political fortunes not been reversed.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 23, 2013 1:30 a.m.

    Regardless of who pays for health care we should work to drive the costs down, not with government force, but will common sense free market reforms.

    There would be no demand for government involvement in health care if there were no problem. It is almost like some politicians have gone out of their way to make our system not work so they would have an excuse to force socialized medicine down our throats.

    First they create the problem, then refuse any fix except the one that gives them ultimate power.

    Can't buy across state lines
    Can't buy a policy without a whole bunch of junk you don't want or need.
    Can't charge people more for behavior related health care (can't charge a smoker more in many states).
    Can't do anything about people who abuse emergency rooms.
    Can't do anything about malpractice gone wild.
    Forcing a 70 year old couple to buy maternity coverage.

    Just let people buy what they want at a reasonable price.

    The people are voting against this disaster with their feet.

  • Cabinfever Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 23, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    Meckofahess, "The cost of healthcare in the country is > that 15% of the GDP, yet we have > 40 million uninsured Americans"
    This issue will never be solved until people like you stop spouting half truths and liberal spin! Facts are what is needed.

    Here's one; 40 million is a misleading figure. In general terms, many of the uninsured are young and/or healthy and don't want or need coverage. Hence the penalties in Obamacare for not having insurance because it needs their premiums to subsidize the older/unhealthy who drive most of the costs. Its the whole basis of single payer. So stop spouting off the fairy tale talking points!

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    I am all for a single payer system. But the Devil is in the details. Who will that single payer be? The government? No, they can't pay their bills without borrowing heavily. I asked my grandson if he would be the single payer, he said a bunch of baby talk which I think meant, "Yeah tell them that can count on me to pay if they get sick." But he could have meant, "Sorry, I am paying for all the well politically powerful well to-do seniors who collected from social security so they could live the 'Modern Maturity' lifestyle."

    It seems with drones shooting Pakistani grandmothers and morning after pills for 15 year olds that our technology has outpaced our humanity and wisdom. It also seems that our medical technology has outpaced our finances.

    Rather than having a discussion about private or public, we may have to have a discussions about when we are in our 70's if we are going to accept our eventual mortality rather than fighting it tooth and nail and sending the bill to our grandchildren.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    We already see what government involvement in healthcare brings.

    Higher prices, less availability, lower pay to providers, fewer providers willing to be made slaves of government--at slave wages, massive paperwork empires festering with bureaucratic incompetence.

    In the zeal to fix the problem of 30 million "uninsured" Americans, we now have many times that number being forced off their old insurance, millions more refusing to buy something they believe they do not want or need, and the prices for everyone rising dramatically.

    If you thought healthcare was expensive before, wait until it is "free" but not actually available.

    Obamacare- it's enough to make anyone sick!

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    Look, we all need single payer. It's the only solution--when government runs health care completely, we shall achieve health care utopia! Especially since in a single payer world, it will be illegal for a doctor to treat you if you pay him in cash! Think of it, the wonders of it all! Everyone taking their turn, no one "better' than the rest, every medical procedure done as resources allow! Need a kidney? No need to worry, you can wait your turn! Emergency medical care required? When the doctor gets back from his vacation, he can sew up that wound.

    Why, just look at Great Britain's dental care--if only American Health Care could be like that! Sure, we'll have to implement a massive tax like we already do with medicare and social security, but think of the benefits, comrades! health care will be FREEEEEEE! Just remember, vote democrat to make sure you too can experience medical care that is second-rate and grossly inefficient! And the bonus feature of access to care depending on whether you donated the right amount to the Democratic party--the new corruption will be grand, comrades! Viva La Democrats!

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    Nov. 22, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    By all means, let's return to the good old days when children with disabilities could be denied care and cancer patients saw their premiums skyrocket. When if you had a serious illness you lived in fear you'd hit the cap and be left without care. When 31 million Americans were uninsured. When a medical emergency could leave you bankrupt and homeless.

    We certainly wouldn't want the government to get involved and try to help people get affordable care. It's so much better to let the insurance companies self-regulate, because they've shown us how charitable and caring they are!

  • fani wj, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    "The leading complaint is a philosophical objection — government interference or forcing people to get healthcare — mentioned by 37 percent of those who disapprove. Twenty-one percent believe the law will increase costs and make health care less affordable, Gallup reported."

    Conservatives had been warning the American public about this since the passage of this Obamacare fraud. Hey dems who is telling the truth now? Does "if you like your healthcare, you can keep it, period!" ring a bell?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    You can not have the federal government involved in healthcare in any way, shape or form, and not be involved in the patient/doctor relationship.

    The whether single-payer or any other way, the government will be involved in your health care, if you involve the federal government.

    The extreme left is kidding themselves if they think it will be any other way.

    Keep the federal government out and find other solutions.
    That is the only answer to preserving the patient/doctor relationship.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Nov. 22, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    This administration should keep its incompetent fingers out of the economy. The Dear Leader has absolutely no background in economics, especially health care. He has surrounded himself with incompetent advisors who give asinine advice. What can you possibly expect from this train wreck?

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    Yeah let's keep the government out of healthcare. The private sector has been doing a great job for the American people! A few accomplishments:
    - The cost of healthcare in the country is > that 15% of the GDP, yet we have > 40 million uninsured Americans
    - The cost of healthcare enormous. Unaffordable for most people.
    - The quality of care in the American Healthcare system is poor. There are over 90,000 errors in hospitals every year that are injurious to the patients. Life expectancy is lower in America than many other industrialized nations - despite our highly expensive system.
    - Most middle class people in America cannot afford to get sick. Even with insurance, the deductibles are so high that it consumes much of their disposable income
    - Before Obamacare, if you had a pre-existing condition you could not qualify for most affordable healthcare plans
    - Now there is this new thing called "concierge care" offered by some Doctors. For additional fees, these Doctors will prioritize your care over that of regular insured patients. In other words the Doctors that offer this cater to the rich over the poor.
    Thank you private sector for this great healthcare system we Americans enjoy!

  • DavidC2 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    Even if 90% of citizens thought the government should get out of healthcare, I doubt it would make a difference in the collision course the administration is on. As the president said, "I'm sorry." So what?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Without dragging abortion into it (why?) I agree that what medical procedures are done are a private matter between a patient and doctor. However, I also know that, if we want better health outcomes for everyone at a lower cost we need to have a single payer system in place. This does not by any means mean that government is involved in the doctor/patient relationship; I know this to be fact and it's just a scare tactic.

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Unfortunately hindsight is 20/20. Had the election results been reflective of the current opinions we wouldn't be stuck with a law the majority of us disapprove of. If only democrats would be willing to fix this thing with republican support, and if only republicans would not insist on a full repeal before sitting at the table. Thanks to the stubborn refusal by the President and both sides of Congress to display even a hint of statesmanship we are at a point where nothing new can get done and nothing flawed can get fixed. This is insane!

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    Well think about it. This shouldn't be any surprise. For decades now liberal pro abortion folks have been telling us that government should stay out of our bedrooms. Then they say that what medical procedures are done is a private matter between a patient and doctor. So now the rest of America is basically saying the same thing to government. Stay out of our private medical issues. Ironic that the side that probably most supports Obamacare is that same liberal pro choice side. Isn't it.