Farm Bureau speaker attempts to demystify Affordable Health Care Act

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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Provo, UT
    10CC wonders how this can be a total takeover of healthcare and yet have "Market based" reform. Here's how: it's called fascism.

    And that's what Obamacare is, a fascist program. Of course, Mussolini at least made the trains run on time. I would imagine that he could have built a website at least.

    If we are now a fascist nation, can't we at least be semi-competent?

    8:18 a.m. Nov. 22, 2013


    Oh, for crying out loud!

    ACA to Fascists?

    Do us all a favor would you - P-l-e-a-s-e read some history!

    BTW - You'll find that the Fasctist wre the uber-far-RIGHT-wing of the Political spectrum.


  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    @ t702, your statement is as far from the truth as you can get.

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Obamacare/ACA is a step in the right direction. I have to agree with Meckofahess. Once the kinks and knots are untangled, it still won't be perfect. But, like Medicare and Social Security, it will be a functional and dependable part of our care system.

    I recently saw an indepth report on Cancer Centers of America, advertised as the gold standard for cancer care. CCA carefully screens applicants and only selects those with robust chances of cure. Then they carefully screen those under care to insure they are not locked in with those "on their way out". That way their statitical success rate is extremely impressive. They charge far more than insurance allows, so their patients are typically independently wealthy.

    CCA is a model of where our care system has been headed: only those with the best chances and most dollars would receive good care. It is time for Obamacare/ACA.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    When things were good, Mr. Obama and his minions eagerly adopted the name Obamacare. Now that things are dodgy, his acolytes call it the ACA. What a difference a day makes.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Instead of the government stripping us of our medical benefits, wealth and rights. And then redistribute it accordingly to the people that will keep voting for that party.

    Why didn't they look at the problem they were trying to solve and just solve it? They claimed the whole reason is to help the families that have a seriousness illness and in turn impoverishes the family. I get it, that is hard.

    So what other solutions are there to help those people? What is the reason for the high cost? Is it research, is it drugs, is it the cost of staff? Let's make a list.

    If it's drugs then why is the costs so high? Drug companies argue is the research & development. So, what can we do as a society to decrease those costs for them?

    It's really not that complicated of a problem. We just need people with brains elected to office, rather than people that can read a teleprompter or are attractive or based on skin color or gender.

    I wonder how many losers would disappear if we made a rule that you can't run for office if you did drugs previously....

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Kammeyer urged members to foremost get their facts about the complicated law from reliable sources and not give in to "sound bites" from ultra-conservative and liberal media or even politicians themselves.


    The problem is AM radio college drop outs have figured out how to make $Millions spewing "sound-bites".

    I'm calling my broker.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    The new Obamacare law costs anywhere from double to triple anyone's previous healthcare. How is that a better deal?

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    "But the 'friendly' aspects of the plan were initiated in the early stages by design, Kammeyer said, and now the coming stages will include mandates and changes that are tough for both average consumers and health insurance companies."


    Very reminiscent of the story about how to boil a live frog. Start with cool water and heat slowly, until the guy is too cooked to jump out of the pot.

    Yup! You can't say these guys (Obama and his crowd) weren't thinking ahead.

    But, you can say they're very dishonest and, judging from the "Three Stooges" web site roll-out, among other things, very incompetent.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    10CC wonders how this can be a total takeover of healthcare and yet have "Market based" reform. Here's how: it's called fascism. As in, Mussolini style, where private companies existed, but everything they did was controlled by the state. The state told them what they could sell, what prices, what they paid their employees, and so forth.

    Obamacare does the exact same thing with healthcare. Who has more input on what Blue Cross offers its customers? Secretary Sebelius, or Blue Cross? It's Secretary Sebelius. She dictates (quite literally, in fact) the terms of the insurance contract. In what universe of "Free Market" exists where President Obama can just order companies to cancel plans or reinstate plans on his political whims? I don't know many "Free Markets" where every player gets summoned to the White House to receive their marching orders. That's not capitalism, that's fascism.

    And that's what Obamacare is, a fascist program. Of course, Mussolini at least made the trains run on time. I would imagine that he could have built a website at least.

    If we are now a fascist nation, can't we at least be semi-competent?

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    @10CC- The democrats have come out and said their ultimate goal is to make it a single payer system. That being the government running and controlling it.

    Just because it doesn't happen today, doesn't mean it won't happen down the road.

    Remember the New Deal? Remember how that was going to only benefit the small percentage of Americans that ended up losing their work or become ill and didn't have a source of income. They created Social Security and now it's an "entitlement" for every American. The system has zero money that was promised would be there, we're forcing the younger generation to pay higher taxes to support it, it's another great example of do good government failing to keep it's hands out of the cookie jar and let the program work the way it should.

    Now you have healthcare that is 1/6 of the economy controlled by the feds. Do you really believe they're going to keep their hands out of the cookie jar? No its another way to raise taxes, take from the people and give to their wealthy friends. Democrats and Republican alike.

  • Swartzy Arlington, TX
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    This program isn't about healthcare it is about control of the people. My son is an Oncology Dr, he just treats cancer patients. You think you will be cured of cancer under Obama care. Think again. He has been told that he will be given the average cost of the average cancer patient and that they will not pay any more. So what happens if your Dr is treating you, you are doing well and you re lapse? Well tough luck, you ran out of money. If the hospital or the Dr treat you they have to do so with out being paid for it. Yes that is compassion at the LIBERAL trough. . Also if the cancer patient is elderly, the keep them comfortable plan kicks in. Don't waste money on those that won't pay it back later. Too old is too expensive. Yes it is real and not "sound bites'. No this is not about healthcare it is controlling the masses. I hate it and if I were younger I would not buy any plan. I would try everything I could to see that it failed.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    "Mainly Me":

    We've been hearing from the anti-Obamites for quite some time that this is a total federal takeover of healthcare.

    Now, this article references an analyst recommending people talk with their insurance broker for more information.

    So, which way is it? Is it a government takeover, or not?

    Based on this widespread deception from people who despise Obama, why should we believe you when you say this is just the first step toward a "real" takeover. (How can a takeover happen if it's already occurred?)

    It's probably time for conservatives to retire the irrational, incoherent rhetoric, and get behind this market-based reform. (You believe in a market based economy, don't you?)

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    As Mr. Kammeyer points out, almost all potential "good" has already been implemented, and it's going to be pretty much the bad from here on out. With a few exceptions, the overwhelming majority are going to experience significant increases to their health insurance costs. This will hurt the middle class the most.

    Nor is it all rainbows and butterflies for the poor and the elderly, who are finding that their pool of available doctors is shrinking.

    This is going to further hamstring our limping economy, as the middle class especially finds that it has less discretionary income to spend after facing increased healthcare costs going forward.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    On this day of JFK, I have but one thing to say: Ask not what you can do for your country, ask only what your country can do for you!

    Like jack up your taxes, force you into economic slavery, force you to buy stuff just for the privilege of existing, and in general serve as the master in a slavery relationship.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    Oh yes thank you for dispelling all of the fiction that's out there. Oh wait, found out that my premiums are going up, the coverage is going down, co-pays are going up, and my deductibles are going up, the cost of prescriptions have gone up. Instead of the guaranteed savings of $2500 that Obama promised period! I'm paying that much more each year.

    But, I suppose I have to look at the benefits I'm gaining. They have to give me a "free flu shot along with a short list of items) those preventative items combined cost me a few hundred each year. Now it's costing me at least $2500 to get that care.

    Oh what if I get cancer? I simply have to pay the $10,000 deductible, along with the premium first and co-pays and pay more for the medicines. And then the generous insurance that would have helped me out earlier will finally kick in for that year alone.

    But, at least we got that college girl free condoms right? she or her partners couldn't shell out 50 cents for their condoms each time....

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 6:23 a.m.

    The headline implies the stance of this newspaper. It seems to me the DN is a partisan voice. What it and journalism on a whole have become is sad....

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    There's nothing to demystify about this train wreck. It was intentionally designed by the Dear Leader and his accomplices to crash the health care system so social health could be ushered in. That's it's going to crash the economy is also a part of the ploy.


  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Thank you Mr. Kammeyer for shedding badly needed unemotional light on the Affordable Care Act. The new healthcare law isn't a perfect solution to America's broken and too costly Healthcare system. But for many Americans it represents an opportunity for them to finally have some health insurance coverage and be able to get care when they are facing the common ailments that afflict mankind. Everyone will need to participate to make it work - no freeloaders get to skate now. The next step needed in the process if for the American people to stand together and demand that the Healthcare empire LOWER COSTS!. Most other industrialized nations spend far less for their Healthcare but have better access and better health outcomes for their citizens. This is America, we must do better. It is time to end the illusion that we have the best Healthcare in the world - we do not. Sadly, what we have is the most expensive system - not the best! I know, I've been a Healthcare professional for 35 years, I've seen it's failings up close.