BYU basketball: No. 21 Iowa State outlasts Cougars, 90-88

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  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    Ute fans, it is a little too early in the season to be in here thumping your chest without even a glimmer of 'look at what we've already done' to back it up with. The BCS blindness from football has carried over into basketball season with a huge failure... A failure to recognize what happened last Monday.... A victory in Maples Pavilion to the tune of 112-103... A like opponent under like circumstance, minus of course the in conference ramifications and nearly a whole season of team chemistry strengthening etc... Who the heck is Evergreen State? Oh yes... an NAIA team from Washington that came, played and got mutilated by the too early to tell how good they are Huntsman Center hosts... For U the earliest true test is on December 14th and oh how I hope it is a convincing home annihilation of the hosts... You really need to get off our boards and go cheer on your team and pray for some kind of return to the Majerus years while finally coming to terms that BCS means nothing on the hardwood or in March... Yes, the major v mid-major still plays its ugly hand, so what!

  • Bee Careful Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    Kane's thuggish flagrant foul was so blatant it's hard to see how anybody could defend it, even in Ames. Is that really what they have to stoop to? Here's hoping Kansas beats them by 40 … twice.

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    I watched the game and the foul on Kane was clearly intentional. He deserved to be ejected. The no call on Mika earlier, there was contact, but he was making a basketball play, as the rules allow. Kane was not attempting to go for the ball at all. Iowa State struggled to handle Mika all night offensively, defensively and on the boards. That foul and Mika leaving the game were the deciders. However, that being said, even so, if BYU shot free throws half way decently, they would have won anyway. I think the refs let a lot of thug fouls go. I was worried about this, the NCAA comes out with new rules, but how long will it last. Iowa State consistently mugged Haws all night. They should have had more players foul out to be honest. But the refs did not lose the game, BYU failed to make foul shots. It is that simple. I hope the guys will learn from this and get better.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    "There is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see." Neil Diamond? (Emphasis added)

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:29 p.m.


    "He wasn't talking about your team, he was talking about playing in the Marriott Center. I agree, MC is a difficult place to win:"

    LOL at your splitting of hairs. The Marriott Center is intimidating because of the quality of the team that plays there; just like the Huntsman Center used to be intimidating before Utah's basketball program became a smoldering train wreck.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    I don't particularly like St.George Cougars word choices, but I think he's right...

    I like Collinsworth a lot (with or without the "g")... but there's a time and place for every talent ... If we had time to run a half court Offense I'd have set up Haws or Carlino for a "spot up shot" and put the ball in Collinsworth hands to make it happen... We only had 3.5 seconds however, no time for half court Offenses, and there's probably no better player on the floor at shot creation than Carlino... The pass should have gone to him and let him drive or pull up (he's also the quickest of the three).

    I thought the bigger mistake was giving the ball to Haws on the previous possession, who hadn't played for two weeks and who looked like he was nursing an injury... Instead I would've given the ball to Collinsworth, set up Carlino or Haws for a spot up jumper coming off a screen or two, and if they couldn't clear, use them as Decoys for a likely unguarded Winder or Austin to win or lose it for us.

  • BYUForever Provo, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    @St. George Cougar:

    You must not know the BYU team as well as you think. His name is COLLINSWORTH. Not Collingsworth. In case you haven't been paying attention the last few games, he's just as 'money' as Carlino, and I'd even argue to say Haws.

  • St. George Cougar St. George, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    What a major blunder by Austin when he threw the ball into Collingsworth. You give the ball to the money play who is either Haws or Carlino. Carlino could have taken the inbound pass and dribbled down and laid it up to tie it or he could have taken a 3-pointer under pressure. Collingworth all night wanted to be the hero. Sad, we could have won if cooker heads prevailed. Hope we learned a great lesson from this loss. I am not against driving to the basket. But again, GIVE THE BALL to the money player: Haws or Carlino!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:56 p.m.


    The DesMoines Register said of the game:

    "If you thought Iowa State’s victory against seventh-ranked Michigan last Sunday was big, you’re not grasping the big picture.

    If you think what happened — against many odds — Wednesday night was bigger ...
    you've got a grip. A firm one.

    Iowa State’s 90-88 victory at BYU was the MOST MAGNIFICENT non-conference win by the 21st-ranked Cyclones in years. A lot of years."


    He wasn't talking about your team, he was talking about playing in the Marriott Center. I agree, MC is a difficult place to win:

    "Doesn’t matter that the Wolverines were a top-10 team and the Cougars weren’t even in the ratings.

    The win was on the road. Students sat close enough to the floor to get under the skin — and finger — of opponents ... like Melvin Ejim....

    The atmosphere inside the Marriott Center was exactly what makes college basketball such a great sport. Overcoming it made this night special for an Iowa State team."

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 21, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    If you can't rebound, you can't expect to win. Too many offensive rebounds given up to a shorter team. Too many missed free throws. Horrible 3pt shooting. ISU won it. We had our chances and didn't finish it. Done! Next game.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 21, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Some players have been called out as being selfish. Some have blamed Carlino. Some have even mentioned Haws. Fact is, all of the guards were guilty of trying to take on 3 defenders; Carlino, Collinsworth, Haws, Winder...the all did it at some point in the game. I think the last two games might have done them a disservice because they were able to score driving against multiple defenders in those games. Iowa St. had better defenders, though.

    Also, just because somebody brings up a call by the referees they thought was wrong does not mean that person is whining or blaming the refs. I think most people agree that poor free throw shooting cost them this game. In fact, it seems to be a pattern against tougher competition: for some reason the 70+% FT shooting Cougars fall off into the 50-60% range in tough contests. Field goal percentage falling? Understandable. But free throws? Something is strange about that.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    No...that hand and finger go straight to Mika'e face and eyes...this was not an attempt to get a ball. Flagrant...and intentional.

    Refs were horrible...but BYU's free throws were worse, and I thought I was watching Carlino of two years ago. Very poor performance by coaches and players.

    Nov. 21, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Kane clearly wasn't going for the ball, he should be out at least as long as Mika is out!

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    The flagrant foul was intentional. Haws is not the selfish "me, me, me" player, Carlino is. Whoever said he would not leave the bench playing for Stu Morrill was exactly right. Carlino is talented and does enough good things to barely break even against his screw-ups. He's a net "meh" player. I think Bartley should replace him.

    All whining about refs aside (they were bad both ways), BYU lost this game all by themselves.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    @ worf "Like football, BYU, and Utah State are the states best teams with Weber coming on"

    worf, you must be basing your football analysis on the following results:
    Utah 30 USU 26
    Utah 70 Weber 7
    Utah 20 BYU 13

    For the record, BYU appears to have a really good hoops team. Mika better than expected.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Tough loss... We could have really used this one in March come Tournament time...

    Iowa State is a very physical and solid shooting team, I was impressed... Had we hit our free throws the game was ours... Unfortunately, this problem continues with the Cougs year after year... The Bigs and the Reserve Guards are horrible at the line... I love Coach Rose but it is clear that that aspect of the game is not much of a focus or an expectation and tonight it cost us a win... It would seem with all of the Assistant coaches we have, one could be designated a "free throw specialist" and some real practice time dedicated to the skill.

    This game was also a shining example of why we need Kaufusi in Basketball attire once he finishes his all star performance against Washington in the Fight Hunger Bowl...

    Again, we should've won... but didn't... So we move on... ISU is a good team and will challenge Kansas in the B12... Maybe we will get another chance at them in March...

    Also, pay no attention to trolls on the hill... The utes would've lost by 25.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Like football, BYU, and Utah State are the states best teams with Weber coming on.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    Lots of jealous ankle biters this morning.

    Even with lots of mistakes, BYU played well enough to beat a Top 25 team, but fell just short.

    This BYU team has tons of potential and is going to become an even more exciting team to watch throughout the season.

    The DesMoines Register said of the game:

    "If you thought Iowa State’s victory against seventh-ranked Michigan last Sunday was big, you’re not grasping the big picture.

    If you think what happened — against many odds — Wednesday night was bigger ...
    you've got a grip. A firm one.

    Iowa State’s 90-88 victory at BYU was the MOST MAGNIFICENT non-conference win by the 21st-ranked Cyclones in years. A lot of years."

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    Certainly free throws were a factor. But youth? Seriously? BYU has a wealth of experience. Besides Mika, that starting lineup has significant experience of at least a season or more. Using youth is nothing more than an excuse. Most of the poor shot selection was by Haws. You are correct that the game wasn't lost all on that last possession, but it certainly contributed. When you lose by 2, every possession is valuable. I was using the possession as an example. As I said, there were several times throughout the game where Haws forced shots. At least half of his 19 shots, 13 of which were misses, were ill advised and unneeded. As the leader of this team I expect more from him. As the leader who made many of the team's mistakes, he owns the responsibility. I like Haws and most of his game. I just wish he played more unselfish and passed it when the shot isn't there. His teammates are very capable of knocking down open shots.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:14 a.m.


    I disagree. The loss can be chalked up to a young team with 7 new players and not a single senior, that is still learning to play together as a team. BYU didn't lose the game on Haws' blocked shot. BYU lost the game on missed free throws, failing to box out, poor shot selection, unforced errors, and a myriad other correctable mistakes throughout the game.

    Even so, BYU would have beaten Iowa State if only one more three had dropped during the game.

  • cks1450 LOS ANGELES, CA
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Refs biggest misses were the clear charges, any suggestion that Iowa St. got homered is crazy. Refs didn't determine this game though. BYU frittered this thing away. Iowa State put the ball in the basket when it was their turn. BYU players made incredibly poor decisions when they had the ball.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    This loss can be chalked up to Haws and his selfish play. I don't know that I've ever seen a player that predetermines he is going to shoot the ball no matter what more than Haws. There were multiple times when he had no shot, or was triple teamed, yet refused to even try and pass. That last possession where he was completely smothered and still forced an impossible shot that was blocked was absolutely terrible. He needs to learn to be more unselfish and pass the ball to the open man. If he learns that he doesn't have to shoot every time he has the ball, this team can be very good, but if nothing changes, he'll get great numbers and personal accolades but BYU will not beat very good teams like Iowa State.

  • mountainflying Logan, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    BYU fans - You lost the game...Quit wining and blaming the refs everytime you don't come away with a W.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    The Cyclones couldn't handle Mika inside on defense, and couldn't rely on their three point game, and needed to get back in the game. "Sweep the leg, Johnny." So Kane did. And then acted surprised he was ejected. Thug play.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Lots of opportunities missed, net result, we lost...

    Was the Kane foul intentional? I don't think so but who really knows. Did the foul have an impact on the game and the outcome? Maybe... But so did the poor foul shooting which seems to have become a trade mark for our team... Our horrible outside shooting was also a problem, as was our inability to shut down the 3 on defense... I also think that it was a mistake going to Haws for the final shot... Everybody in the building and watching it on TV knew that that was where the ball was going and it was clear that Haws was playing hurt... I would have much rather had an open shot taken by either Winder or even Austin than a Haws contested shot when he is hurt... If we were going with a "create your own shot scenario" it would seem that Carlino would have been a better option...

    What the Cougs missed in this game was a physical presence inside (aka Kaufusi), a reliable spot up 3 point shooter to keep the Iowa State Guards from sagging down on Mika, and some basic, fundamental, free throw shooting...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Wayne Rout

    "This started as a basketball game, but when Iowa State realized that they were not doing well, it became something else. I'd like to say what I really think, but we know it would not be allowed."

    Well said. Iowa State's thuggery and boorish behavior in the last few minutes of the game, helped them win the game, but cost them all respect.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    This is out of the Ames Tribune: "Replays appeared to show Kane making contact with his hand to Mika’s face."

    Appeared to show...???

    Talk about sugar-coating.

    The replays absolutely showed Kane jabbing his fingers straight into Mika's eyes.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:36 a.m.


    "Wow, I understand why BYU fans are frustrated due to losing such a closely contested game against a very good opponent, but everyone saying that the foul on Mika was intentional??? Open your eyes guys and watch the replay a little more closely."

    It's you who needs to open your eyes and take off the BYU-hating blinders.

    The eye gouging was absolutely intentional!

    The Iowa State player shoved his fingers straight into Mika's face, never even attempting a play on the ball, and after careful review by the officials, the eye gouging was ruled a Flagrant Foul 2, which calls for immediate ejection from the game.

    To me, there's nothing more dirty than intentionally gouging another player's eyes, especially when you're staring straight into them while you're doing the gouging.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    This thread is a perfect example of BYU fans being BYU fans. Excuses, blaming the refs, and absolutely no credit given to ISU. I wonder if it's possible that there just might be a team out there who is better than the Cougs..... Nah, its the refs. And the announcers were mean.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    @ Spokane Ute
    Thanks for the statement I was busy and could not watch the game, but your comment seems to be the most reasonable.
    BYU fans should be happy BYU lost to a top 25 team by 2 when looking at the statistics you can see that there is room for improvement to be made to make BYU even better.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    At motorbike. When was the last time you stuck your hands out at 45 degrees with your fingers curled to block a shot? The foul was retry clearly an intentional accident.. And the other finger to the crowds yes. That was intentional.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:17 a.m.


    "Danny Ainge 30 years later,"

    You mean, Wooden trophy, NBA All-star, 2 NBA Championships as a player, a miracle resurrection of the Celtics and another ring as GM? I'm sure Haws hopes so...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    I thought only Gonzaga played too phyiscal for BYU? BYU had less fouls, more foul shots, and fewer players foul out. The numbers don't lie! Enough with the Referee excuses, BYU had a ton of chances down the stretch. The foul against Kane was also called correctly. A flagarant 2, and out for the game. The funny thing is, when Brandon Kafusi took out Kelly Olynk last year, it was perfectly acceptable. Nothing more than rough play. What comes around, goes around. Face it, BYU lost to a better (and top 25) team, by the narrowest of margins. I've never heard so many excuses and alibi's in my life.....sheeesh!

    Accept the loss, BYU has a good team and will be just fine this year. But for heck sakes, give credit where credit is due. Iowa State made enough plays down the stretch to win a tough road game; BYU did Not!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Wow, I understand why BYU fans are frustrated due to losing such a closely contested game against a very good opponent, but everyone saying that the foul on Mika was intentional??? Open your eyes guys and watch the replay a little more closely.
    The player was tossed because it was a severe foul but not because it was intentional. It's obvious to an unbiased eye that Kane simply anticipated incorrectly - he thought Mika was going to quickly take the ball straight up to the hoop and therefore made a quick move himself to get both hands up in front of the ball. Period, end of story.
    The refs made the correct call due to severity regardless of intent. But statements like Kane should be out for the year? Please.

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    This is out of the Ames Tribune: "Replays appeared to show Kane making contact with his hand to Mika’s face.

    “(The officials) said that he didn’t make a play on the ball,” said Hoiberg, “and they obviously (saw) the replay and I didn’t, so you’ve got to live with that decision.”

    I guess if this is what they thought of the foul on Mika, they probably do not see themselves as a physical, dirty team.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    You lost. They are better than you.

    Texas and Wichita likely are too.

    Utah State is a tossup.

    You can brag if you go 3 out of 4 against Utah State, Wichita, Texas, and Iowa State.

    I'm not even sure 2-2 against those is the mark of a great team.

    Go 3-1 and I will say byu is a great team.

    Go 2-2 or 1-3 and you're just an average team.

    Surely a great team should be able to go 4 for 4 or 3 for 4 against Usu, Wichita, Texas, and Iowa State right?

    NCAA tournament worthy teams would go 3 for 4 in that stretch.

    Prove it, or be ready to hear you're average.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    ISU confused MMA with collegiate basketball. They are thugs.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    BYU stopped running last 7 min. of game because they were not getting the rebounds needed to begin the fast break, and because they were beat down physically. Interesting that new rules this year were thought to be such that it would limit the physical play, but there was a lot of it in this game, Tyler Haws continues to be hounded and fouled...where is Bonson Kaufusi when you need him? O yah, he's with the football team about to get beaten down by Notre Dame again. Sorry for the negativity, but one must admit all past experience indicates the Cougars do not win the big games...I feel like an incurable gambler, keep losing, but on the chance might win, put another quarter into the machine...or get hopes up again to actually win a big game, perhaps the point is, there are better things to do with my time, gotta pull away from this destructive, gravitational force. Sports is certainly addictive.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    Kane's flagrant foul on Mika wasn't the dirtiest play I've seen in basketball (Ohio State's Luke Witte's being kneed in the groin, and then stomped on the head, by multiple Minnesota players in 1972 comes to mind, as well as Kermit Washington's sucker-punching Rudy Tomjanovich in 1977), but it was definitely wanton and malicious. Fouling is one thing, but if deliberately going for the guy's eyes doesn't merit expulsion, I don't know what does. Second, Haws' last shot may have been ill-advised, but the replays pretty clearly showed the defender got all arm. What point does calling ticky-tack hand-check fouls serve if players can still get completely mugged in the lane with no call? The NCAA might want to get this figured out, and soon.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Tough loss against a very good team. Free throws made would have been enough to win a tough game. The foul on Mika was one of the weirdest and most brutal I have seen. Having Mika on the court at the end may have been enough even with the poor shooting. Texas is next.

    Go Cougars!

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    This started as a basketball game, but when Iowa State realized that they were not doing well, it became something else. I'd like to say what I really think, but we know it would not be allowed.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    However many games Mika missed is the number of games of suspension that should be imposed.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Perspectives differ depending on if you hate BYU or not. Espn has a headline praising Ejim and Kane for their most excellent win, while those at the game saw Ejim flip off the crowd as he fouled out, and saw the the full play and lead up to the intentional eye-gouging by Kane.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    @ Chris B.
    No you don't get credit for not beating them.
    You were wrong by the way.
    You said they would lose by 10-15.
    Lets see how the mighty utes do against the WAC this weekend
    (Oregon beat the 5th best team in the WAC by 15, Okla. State beat them by 53)
    Conference of Champions LOL (when was their last non-olympic sport title)
    Sounds like it was a competitive game that could have gone either way.
    Good luck in the future.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Oh, for crying out loud, would fellow Cougars please stop crying out loud! We have every reason to be proud of our team, who pushed a superior opponent to the brink. Yes, it was a physical game, and yes, Rose's strategy was to push the ball up the floor...not a good matchup in the half court game. Rose is a brilliant coach, and he gave the team it's best chance, but 60% from the stripe is on the players. They just couldn't get it done. That happens. But blaming the refs, and whining about dirty play by Iowa St is just wrong and classless. It was a great game! I love Cougar Hoops!

  • Daved6 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    I'm disappointed people are complaining about Kane and the refs. Kane wanted to strip the ball, Mika bent over. I don't think he thought a 6'10 guy was going to squat down that low. he was playing hard and agressive, intended to foul if he didn't get the ball. It was unfortunate he hit him so hard in the face. I think it was a terrible unfortunate thing, but not intentional.

    That game should have been long put away. BYU coasted when they shouldn't have. Iowa state fought the whole game--good for them. BYU has no interior defense. And their outside shooting is just not consistent enough to play the style they play. I suspect they'll have other losses like this during the year.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Reading these posts makes me laugh. You people, who probably never even played high school basketball, want to rip and criticize athletes, the level of which you can not even comprehend. It's silly really to listen to your analysis of stuff you don't even know about. And some of you are doing this at 3 am. Go to bed already!

    Teams lose basketball games, people. Basketball is a game of mistakes. And you wonder why athletes choose to tune out the public and are then portrayed as "arrogant".

    Great effort by the Cougs last night...with several opportunities to win. Stuff happens. Haws is definitely hampered by his injury and I hope Mika is okay. I'm sure Coach Rose is capable of helping the team improve. I love how fast they play. Very unusual to see 5 white guys plays so fast. FUN!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    I am so mad at the refs right now.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    I saw the best and the worst there is to offer in college sports last evening.

    I saw I.S. exhibit the worst in lack of sportsmanship and foul play (literally speaking).

    I saw referees who failed to call fouls when they were committed (as opposed to Harmon's recent article describing how that was to change this season).

    I saw so many charging fouls committed by I.S. I lost track of the count.

    I saw missed fouls against Carlino andd other by referees at crunch time.

    Then I saw a team of true athletes turn the other cheek time after time (as well they should if this sport is to not turn into the caliber of professional wrestling.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Told ya!

    Go Iowa STate!

    And no, you don't get credit for playing ranked teams if you don't beat them, isn't that what you' guys have been telling us.

    Better team won. End of story.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    If it wasn't for the refs the cougies would win national championships every year in football and basketball. It's too bad every ref in the history of the NCAA has had it out for the cougies. They definitley never lose becasue of play and coaching the only way they can lose is if the refs fix the game for the teams they play.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Credit the Cyclones and their coach. They finished and got the win without their 3 star players, in a hostile environment.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    There were bad calls both ways but 2 down the stretch made a significant difference in the game. Haws was clearly hacked on his jump shot... No ball only arm.
    BYU needs to hit their foul shots. Foul shots would have won this game.
    Very proud of my Cougars for the battle tonight. By the sheer numbers of haters chiming in on the dnews today there are many folks who are intimidated by the strength of this BYU club. Go Cougars!

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    No one seems to be metioning the fact that after he sucker punched Mika he taunted him also. The film needs to be reviewed again and confirm this and then thrown this guy's rump in the suspended all season long box.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Must be a coach's dilemma for Dave Rose to have a guard as talented, yet undisciplined as Carlino. While he does see the floor well when he chooses, his insistence on playing 1-on-5 ball wastes a fair number of possessions. When he plays under control, he can be brilliant.

    On the other hand, the one who really impressed me, albeit with few playing minutes, was Halford. He has a pure stroke that can light up the scoreboard on a moment's notice.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    Good game, that eye guage was brutal. It seemed to effect the game, since Mika's inside pressence was missed down the stretch. BYU looks pretty good to me, they will be Gonzaga's biggest test. I can certainly see them making the NCAA tournament and winning 20+ games.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:43 a.m.

    Wait! BYU fans complaining about dirty play and referees? Maybe the better team won last night.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    Thought I was the only one who thought the officials had decided prior to the opening tip who the winner would be. Lots of Iowa State lowered shoulders and push off with arms on their drives.

    On the other hand, the Cougars looked like they wanted to stay in the locker room after half time, at least for the first 15 minutes of the second half.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:09 a.m.

    Woulda Coulda Shoulda. Same-o Same-o Same-o

  • The Solution Dayton, OH
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:07 a.m.

    "Too watch BYU players and their no-passing and then watch Utah State and their wonderful passing is just like watching 2 different teams."

    Yeah funny how that works. You were literally watching two different teams...

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:03 a.m.

    I can see why BYU likes to run the floor with an up tempo offense and quick shots - their half court offense is non-existent! I've never seen a team try to force so many 1 on 3 plays in my life. What happened to passing the ball around until someone at least has a shot without 2 guys in his face. ISU exposed a distinct lack of athleticism on the part of BYU. Oh well, what else is new at BYU...

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 21, 2013 3:58 a.m.

    I've never seen anything like Kane's deliberate action to blind Mika. Fingers curled into claws. He was not interested in the ball at all. He should be suspended by the NCAA. As for the refs, I've seen better, but they made the right call on that one. If Mika's out BYU's done. The refs didn't beat BYU. Their free-throw shooting did.

    As for the altitude, it looked like the Cougars ran out of gas.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 1:43 a.m.

    I didn't see the game. Out on a date with my wife. But here is what I get from the article and the whining. BYU, the unranked nobody, with no talent, no idea how to play basketball, and with no chance on earth of beating anybody, took a team that beat Michigan and moved up to #21 in the country to the brink. They did this while shooting from the floor, three point line and the foul line like they were blind and yet they still scored 88 points. They did this while being out rebounded. They did this despite the other teams attempt at blinding the blind, egging on the fans and complaining that the referees didn't help out.
    I may be missing something but beating Iowa St. may have been a major miracle and so a two point loss is probably a minor miracle. Just think how good they can be as they improve free throws and three pointers. All you grumpy guys need to follow someone else, like the Jazz or...Iowa St.

  • earthquakejake Logan, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 1:32 a.m.

    I have a feeling Mika will receive quite a few cheap shots in his career. He reminds me of Rafael Araujo. He's big and physical and his opponents are gonna develop short fuses out of frustration.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:50 a.m.

    ISU got the win, but did so in a classless fashion. Poor reflection on the young men with the fingers to the eye and to the crowd.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    Kane, Ejim, and the Iowa State center all fouled Cougs with impunity throughout the game, and Ejim's finger flip at the end showed such a lack of class, their Coach, fans should be ashamed of them. The refs let the game get out of hand, in my opinion...first the over the back flooring of Y's sub center, no foul called, then the left handed shoving of a Y player into the standard post, should have been flagrant called, then the fingers to the eyes of Mika, finally the finger flip by Ejim...then the refs ignore Coach Rose's plea for a timeout at the end of the game...I feel there's a lot of prejudice against the Y they always have to play through. This loss hurt a lot.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Haws getting called for a foul as he was pulled to the ground by his jersey.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:03 a.m.

    If by Iowa state got homered so bad, you mean Bartley getting called for a foul when two guys landed on him, Austin getting run over twice in the same play, the obvious hand slapping Haws' shooting arm at the end, or even the fact that the refs reviewed the high elbow by Mika for so long, then I suppose you're right. Most others would see this things as homer-ish, but definitely not against Iowa State.

    BTW, the thuggish nature of ISU was really revealed with Kane's ejection when he obscenely left the court after sticking not one but two hands into a driving players' eyes. That's not just the way he left the game, it was how he played all night long.

    Of course, it'd be nice if the cougars started making their darn free throws when they did get the calls.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    BYU was cheated by the refs and then beat themselves.

    No credit to ISU.

  • Time Out Lehi / Utah, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 11:36 p.m.

    Wow, that was the worst foul I have ever seen! He went after both eyes with his claws extended. I was shocked that the announcers didn't say much about it. Miles Simon said he may have been going for the ball? Worst call by an announcer ever.

    I hope that Mika does not have permanent damage done to his eyes.

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    Nov. 20, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    Should have called a timeout at the end. Terrible play by Haws - three on one means two guys were open. Haws needs to recognize that. His play against top teams is lacking.

    I disagree with troutman on ISU being homered. The lack of a flagrant on Mika was the right call and the flagrant on Kane was also the right call. The ESPN announcer who said the replay showed Mika hit him in the mouth was flat out wrong. The Y missed Mika at the end on defense.

    I agree with troutman about USU's passing compared to the Y's. Carlino is out of control so often.

  • JetCoug Riverton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    It is true that one of the analysts was all for Iowa State. It was painful to listen to him as he continually demeaned the Cougars. Hopefully we'll learn from this game and be better prepared for conference play.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2013 11:10 p.m.


  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    Mcallen, TX
    Kane should be suspended for the year.

    No reason for that kind of foul with a possible long term injury to Mica.
    I agree but not only should he be suspended he should be kicked off the team that was a potential career ending injury Mika was not hit in the face he got 2 fingers in the eyes ON PURPOSE very dirty play on IOWA STATES part,plus the fact they had their own referees and it showed

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    So was it the refs or the missed free throws? Andy Katz is wrong.

  • troutman Washington, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    I thought Iowa State got homered so bad. How does BYU always get a flagrant foul called on the defender of the opposing team. If you beat BYU in Provo, you have really done it. You not only have to beat the no-team-players, and non-passers of Provo but you have to beat the refs. That was a pathetic series of fouls called on IowaState. If I was there coach I would send in the tape od this game to make sure those refs never call another game dealing with Iowa State.

    Let's face it Cougar fans it is really sad that BYU has such good shooters but they are selfish. They are not team players. Too watch BYU players and their no-passing and then watch Utah State and their wonderful passing is just like watching 2 different teams. Matt Carlino wold never play for a Stew Morrill team. He doesn't pass, sad. And Haws, why is he trying to shoot over 3 players? Two team mates were open underneath the basket?

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    Going for the eyes with fingers (Kane's hands were open), when the ball was down below Mika's chest, was as flagrant as it gets.

  • Runner47 Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    How many times have we seen games where made free throws could have won the game?

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    It's MIKA! Kick Kane out for the year? That's ridiculous. There were bad calls both ways.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    Just checked the stats. ISU out shot BYU from the floor, the 3 point line and the foul line.

    Guess what boys: 12 out of 20 (60%) from the free throw line won't win any games against even mediocre opponents.

    Nov. 20, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Haws is Danny Ainge 30 years removed. Arms and body flying all over the place when there is any contact. Begging for every foul. Just play the game and quit your crying. Great players like you don't need to play the refs and crowd like that.

    Great win Cyclones!!!!!!! Even after some of worse calls ever. You finished the game with your JV and still pulled it out.

  • mountainflying Logan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    I'm happy with the outcome of this game. BYU needs some humble pie.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Haws' last shot was not blocked - the defender clearly hit Haws' shooting arm. Earlier Bartley was on the bottom of the dog pile, and got called for the foul. What?? Yep - pretty tough playing against the officials. Now that I have that taken care of:

    BYU missed too many free throws - game over.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    Great defense by Austin on a shorter, younger player. Where was the help underneath if you can't handle it. And yes, how many free throws must we miss year over year.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    The foul on Mika probably the dirtiest play I've seen in college basketball. Dirtier than anything I have seen in Church Ball, even.
    Nothing accidental about it. He was looking at Mika's eyes. Wasn't even looking at the ball. Major cheap shot.

    Haws' decisions and shot selection near the end there was horrific, but his foul shooting kept us in it. The other guards need to start making better than 50% of their free throws. That's ridiculous. The opportunities were there. The cougars couldn't make free throws and took too many poor shots.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    And yes, the ESPNU analyst was totally in the tank for Iowa State, very one-sided. It was a difficult broadcast to listen to, when every comment between possessions was about what the Cyclones needed to be doing. BYU got no credit.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Kane should be suspended for the year.

    No reason for that kind of foul with a possible long term injury to Mica.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    Disappointing loss. The Cougars had every chance to win this game, but in the end the missed free throws did them in. A few of thoughts:

    1) I can't help but think that the thuggishness of Kane hurt BYU more than it hurt his own team. Austin couldn't stop Niang. After Mika left due to hit to the face, Niang was the only guy to score a basket for Iowa St. If Mika was in there, could he have stopped at least one of the three? That might have made all the difference.

    2) Too much 1-on-3 (or 4) in the 2nd half. There were several possessions where a Cougar tried to drive, was triple or quadruple teamed, and still tried to force up a shot early in the shot clock. Playing fast is fine, but you still need to make good choices and take good shots. Kick it out! If 3 (or 4) guys are on you, somebody is open!

    3) Did I mention free throws? Haws was 7-8. The rest of the team was 5-12. And Winder..he had the chance to tie it. And missed.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    A healthy Haws, and Mica would have won the game.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    BYU loses. why? failure to double down low, failure to hit key foul shots, down the stretch turnovers, Dirty play by Iowa Sate, and one of the worst refereed games I have ever watched.

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    Awful 2nd half by the black and white. The only calls they got right were when the cameras were helping them. Just an example, how is it a foul on you when someone jumps on you? There now that I've said my piece, everyone can get on me about me complaining about the refs, and I can look forward to the next game.

    Hope Mika is ok

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    Oh hum, just another loss.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    gotta make free throws, and gotta play as a team. too much dribbling, too many wide open shots passed up for difficult shots at the basket. Haw's last shot had 3 guys around him. someone had to be open.

  • spokaloo White Salmon, WA
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    Ummm...Tyler Haws needs to realize that attempting a jumper in the face of a 6-7 athlete is much different than doing that against the Portland Pilots. Same old story. BYU is good and beats decent to poor teams. This is Wake Forest and Baylor all over again. The Y competes but doesn't have the horses to close, not even at home in front of 20,000.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    Free throws...

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    Even after getting homered Iowa State won with whatever was left on the bench.

  • VariedHue Logan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    Cyclones are getting homered

  • One Angry Salebarn Worker Madison, SD
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    Haws has got to come off the floor. He is a walking turn-over later in the 2nd half.