Utah moms lobby Legislature for access to cannabis oil for child seizure treatment

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 25, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" I am not insisting that it be illegal, I don't know where you get that idea from. If it is a valid medication, it should go through the FDA, just like every other medication to be made legal.

    If it is just an herbal remedy, then why do we have to legalize anything. You can already get hemp seed oil legally through Amazon, so what is really wanted.

    You can already legally purchase what they are asking for, so what is it that these people really want?

  • Wes55 Loveland, CO
    Nov. 24, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    PGVikingDad, It can take the people of a state decades to decide that is is more important to help the sick than it is to punish the stoners, and Utah has a long way to go. Please move to Colorado now to protect your son's health from further declines. We have a vibrant LDS communities throughout the state, and Medical Cannabis Centers in many communities. Cannabis has been a legal medicine in Colorado for more than a decade, and so far it has worked out OK. The job market is good, and unemployment is low. Please come.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    Answer the question Red --

    If it doesn't get you "high",
    and can't be changed or modified to make you "high",

    then WHY do you insist it be illegal?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" you missed my last post. If I can already buy hemp seed oil legally, and that hemp seed oil contains the CBD that they claim fixes all sorts of problems, why do they need cannabis to be legalized? If it is the THC that is the active ingredient, again, that is legal.

    People already have access to the supplement that they want. So, unless they are looking to legally get high, there is no point in legalizing anything new.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    So again, what is really going on here? What is it that people really want to legalize?

    9:14 a.m. Nov. 22, 2013


    Ya, Red -- what is really going on here?

    As a self-proclaimed Freedom fighter,
    get the Federal Government our of our lives,
    where in the Constitutionalist does it say "X"...

    What is it that people like you insist on keeping it ILLEGAL?

    If it does no harm,
    If it doesn't make you "High",
    The proof is on you and your ilk to justify why it needs to be kept and remain illegal.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    To "enough already" if the issue is CBD based drugs, again, why do we need to legalize anything new? I can go to Amazon and order hemp seed oils that contain CBD and have them shipped to my house. As I asked before, what is different about what these people want legalized and the currently legal?

    So again, what is really going on here? What is it that people really want to legalize?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Deep Space 9, Ut
    3:26 p.m. Nov. 21, 2013


    The "Supplements" you are thinking about are just vitamins.
    The law says they include much more.

    St. John's Wort -- used for depression
    Gingko Balboa -- used to focus attention, aid memory and treat Alzheimer’s
    Peppermint -- steeped in a tea, is used to sooth stomach
    Saw Palmetto -- used for Prostate inflammation
    Cranberry Juice -- for Urinary tract infections?

    and let's not forgot the #1 best selling drug of all time --
    CAFFEINE -- alertness; found in coffee, soda pop, energy drinks, and chocolate.

    BTW --
    Brigham Young had a motto for the State of Deseret.
    Do you know what it was?
    "Mind Your Own Business".
    words to live by.

  • enough already cache valley, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    THC in the strain they use for this is super low and the CBD is higher where in the cannabis that people use to get high has high amounts of THC and super low amounts of CBD
    man do some research you will be questioning everything they told you!!

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Nov. 21, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    I am 100% AGAINST smoking marijuana, but if something in a canabis plant can truly/actually be used to help with seizures in children?....THAT, I am all for.

    What makes something "good" or "bad" is its consequences.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 21, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    To "enough already" and how do we know that it is not the THC that is the ingredient that is working? That is the question.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" asprin is a natural product, yet that has become a commercial success. So is menthol, penicilin, and other products that are derived from natural sources.

    The question remains, what is the active ingredient. The other problem is that using this to treat seizures, it would now be considered a drug. Supplements are intended to replace or augment nutrients that are normally consumed.

    Shouldn't we be a least concerned with the safety of the use of this. How do you know that there are not potential problems from taking too much (See vitamin E and Calcium supplements).

    If you are going to use it as medication it should receive the same testing that all Federally approved drugs are required to get.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Nov. 21, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    I can't buy over-the-counter medications because drug dealers cook them into crack.

    I can't buy an oil, made by an herb, that can't be used or cooked into anything "bad", has no "high",
    and is completely worthless on the blackmarket for it's street value.
    and yet it's good, fine, ok and legal to buy drugs made from opium so powerful that I can have open heart surgery and sleep like a baby feeling no pain?
    ...with a black-market street value enough to make me very, VERY rich?

    Am I missing something here?

    The ONLY people buying this stuff are people [and kids] suffering from Epilepsy,
    These are not drug dealers or gang members,
    lurking in dark back alleys,
    dancing and playing the piano ala, Reefer Madness.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Nov. 21, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    Deep Space 9, Ut

    is this going to go through the FDA like all other medications? There are drug companies that manufacture cannabis based drugs, and could potentially benefit from this.


    Gee RedShirt, why don't you call Orrin Hatch and ask him?

    As a natural product (non laboratory manufactured),
    it can't be patented [Which explains why Big Pharmaceutical spend $Billions annually lobbying against them.]

    I believe this falls under "dietary supplements" , not a drug.
    Since it's an herb, with some medicine properties,
    It’s like teas, salves, tinctures or ointments.

    Like you find at Harmon's, GNC, Dave's or Bountiful Nutrition.

    It has ZERO psychotropic effects.
    It's not getting little Tommy stoned,
    It's not turning on Pink Floyd or the Grateful Dead really, really loud,
    It's not calling all your buddies over for an all nighter watching Comedy Central eating pizza.

    Fight it all you want Red.
    As adults, we all know right from wrong,
    we don't need political hacks telling or defining it for us.
    We should be Free to Choose.

    I thought you wanted Government out of our lives,
    but, now you are showing your true colors.

  • enough already cache valley, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    This oil contains every chemical compound in the cannabis plant the so called legal cannabis drugs you asked about are man made drugs and only contain man made THC and no other compounds
    found in the cannabis plant and is man made!! God made cannabis and nobody has ever died from cannabis and man made pills and pills kill all the time!!!
    Who knows what the FDA will do!!
    does that help?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Severl questions about this.

    First, what does this oil contain that the already legal cannibus drugs do not?

    Second, is this going to go through the FDA like all other medications? There are drug companies that manufacture cannibus based drugs, and could potentially benefit from this.

    Can anybody answer those questions, or are we to just accept this and go along with it because somebody said so?

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    "pgvikingdad" I will email my state reps. and ask them to support the bill. There's absolutely no reason not to. I have a daughter with epilepsy and her Dr. (subtly)suggested I just go to Colorado to get what I needed.

    WHY should I have to do that, is my logic. You can buy recreational drugs like marijuana on any streetcorner, but, SOMEHOW, if I have a legitimate medical purpose, I can't?

    That just seems goofy to me!

    Thanks for your work in getting the law changed.

  • enough already cache valley, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    PGVikingDad not to take from your child but you can not hold the cure for so many ailments and diseases and pick and choose or change the wording just to fit your needs. If you are going to legalize medical cannabis for one persons needs it should be legalized for all that can benefit in a positive way from it!! Then just say oh well to the rest of the people that can benefit from cannabis oh well they can suffer or move or break the law ?

  • enough already cache valley, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Ok people stop the lies right now!!!
    This CBD oil is from cannabis plants that the good people in Colorado took time to grow and pick out certain strains that are high in CBD and low in THC! It is still cannabis so stop lying and tell the truth people are tired of being lied to.Changing the wording for this cannabis oil to hemp oil is a lie and all the war on cannabis is a great big lie that started with racial propaganda .(i.e. the white women will lust the black man after smoking a cannabis cigarette and the migrant worker will act like a bull fighter in Spain ) that is what politicians used to get our grandparents to demonize this great plant that has many uses. The point don't lie we are tired of being lied too! The truth will set you free!! Maybe go research for the truth and you will see for yourself!!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Pleasant Grove, UT

    Amen, and AMEN!

    I'm with you brother.

    BTW -- Brigham Young encouraged the Saints to grow hemp.

    They needed it for making ropes and MEDICINE.

  • Rustymommy Clovis, NM
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Every form of life is placed on this earth for a purpose. It is frustrating that we can't manage ways to make this plant available for legitimate purposes without it being abused by fools. Is there no way to make marijuana available for medicinal purposes without opening the door to recreational use? Why is this different than any other controlled substance or prescription drug. Seems ridiculous.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    In DN Subscriber's defense, I have seen those dispensaries in Venice Beach, with barkers working the boardwalk dressed in fake scrubs, offering to get medical marijuana prescriptions for any passerby for a $25 fee. We definitely *do not* want that for Utah. That's why we're calling for a well-crafted piece of legislation that makes *hemp oil* - not marijuana - legal in Utah. Believe me, no clear-thinking pothead would pay $25 for this stuff.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    DN Subscriber said: "For the rare case where currently illegal drugs have some potential medicinal value, any legalization for limited use is instantly abused with phoney doctor notes and trumped up diseases by those who enjoy recreational use of drugs."

    Lets examine your opinion "Rare Case?" Coca (cocaine) provides the base for nearly all local pain, Like your dentist or getting sticthes, and opium poppies are still the go to plant for most pain medication, so Not rare at all that we use plants that have illicit cousins on the street.

    Lets look at "Some Potential" how about huge potential how about a plant found to be in common use by man and for over 5000 years, that Israel is now unlocking it's potential because ignorant politicians businessmen won't even allow research to be done in America.

    And please you be the judge of others "Trumped up diseases" like PG vikings 11 year old kid, that just wants to "Get High."

    But hey don't you dare touch my trans-fat addiction.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    A couple more points I'd like to make: My wife and I love Utah. For what it's worth, we're mini-van driving Mormons with teens on local sports teams. We love our communities specifically for the values we share with them, and we would never do anything to compromise those values. And having access to a hemp-derived oil will not compromise those values in the slightest. The only thing it will do is save lives. Do the research; it is undeniably effective, and certainly far safer than the current "legal" drug cocktail that has bent my son's bones and caused organ failure in his frail body. Hundreds of families have already uprooted their lives to move to Colorado. Do you really believe they would do that on some vague hope? The horrible truth is that our children are suffering and dying, and it doesn't need to happen. We've witnessed too many tiny coffins in just the ten years we've been trapped by this disease. Save their lives with some common sense.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    @ DN Subscriber: And your point? Many painkillers are abused through fraud. Are you suggesting they be made illegal, or are you just trying to justify keeping something you personally disapprove of illegal?

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    My wife is spearheading this discussion in Utah, and this *must* be made available to our suffering children. Our 11-year-old son suffers hundreds of seizures per week, and he is being aggressively tortured to death by his misfiring brain. Here is the truth about Alepsia: 1. It is NOT smoked, and it CANNOT get children high. It's an oil from hemp, which has virtually zero THC. Therefore, there is also no potential for abuse. 2. It works, and it is the *only* safe and effective treatment for these children. The head of Pediatric Neurology at the U, Dr. Filloux, has written a three-page letter pleading for our legislators to make this available. His medical peers also signed the letter. 3. It has already saved lives. CNN recently did a 1-hour prime-time special on precisely this treatment. It told the stories of the children who have been saved from their wheelchairs and unrelenting seizure activity. 4. Nothing else works. Our son is on eight different pharmaceuticals, and he still had 15+ seizures just last night. For these kids, it is this treatment, or severe disability, mental retardation, and death.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Nov. 21, 2013 6:04 a.m.

    The medicinal benefits of this God-given, seed bearing herb is more and more becoming scientifically proven to be incredibly beneficial for human health in do many studies and should no longer be overlooked.

  • Fire3Davies Logandale, NV
    Nov. 20, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    We continue to allow pharmaceutical companies and doctors to feed us all these highly addictive chemical based meds that have more side effects than benefits. Then we have a completely natural, highly beneficial herb that can do a whole lot of good and we act like it's the most evil thing ever. Will it be abused, absolutely. But even the side effects of that are minimal compared to prescription drug abuse now. Look at the history of Canibus (sp?), just like everything else today, lobbyists for pharmaceutical companies, cotton industries and paper companies demonized what it is. I used to believe it all, but now know people who greatly benefit from it's use medically. It's already being abused illegally by really anyone who wants to, with little enforcement. The more you think about it, a natural herb that benefits man. Fits into some good words of wisdom I've read before.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    For the rare case where currently illegal drugs have some potential medicinal value, any legalization for limited use is instantly abused with phoney doctor notes and trumped up diseases by those who enjoy recreational use of drugs.

    Anyone who has seen the proliferation of "medical marijuana dispensaries" in California or Colorado knows exactly how any concessions for legitimate use are abused by addicts.

  • Seek to understand Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    There are many medicinal uses for marijuana that need to be available. We need to keep marijuana illegal for recreational usage until age 25, then only arrest and convict if operating a vehicle under the influence or breaking some other law. But protect teenagers from it while their brains are developing, then leave it alone, like we do alcohol.

    If we could step up enforcement of kids up to age 25 (it has been shown that addiction is much higher if people under 25 experiment with substances - after 25 or so the addiction rates go way down) and not bother ourselves with adult users over 25 of marijuana AND alcohol, I think we'd see a healthier society.

    And of course, any medicinal use needs to be allowed with prescription.

  • postaledith Freeland, WA
    Nov. 20, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    Marijuana is not just about getting high anymore. There are more studies being done that are showing the medicinal purposes that would help many medical problems like arthritis, nausea, and so many others. It would be beneficial in so many ways and can be used in lotions, foods, and drinks instead of smoking it for the effects.