Committee approves bill clarifying school suicide-prevention statutes

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  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    “Don't you think that a very large part of suicide prevention would be in learning the causes of suicide?” Actually, I think a large part of suicide prevention would be for teachers to be educated in the warning signs, but as the article reports, it's difficult to determine the legal responsibilities of schools and the suitability of lay people determining risk.

    “The 'suicidal ideation' known to be double for those under 25 who take antidepressants is an overwhelming compulsion or obsession . . . They would be better prepared for the urgency of the situation if they were aware of this aspect don't you think?” No, I think suicidal ideation is an urgent situation no matter what the cause, and teachers are not privy to what medications students take. By the way, do you have a valid reference for your claim of “double for those under 25”?

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    “My facts are easy to search because I am up front about who I am.” Yep, like most DN commenters, I use a pseudonym. My real name is irrelevant to the facts because they're not “my facts." As for references, I actually gave the name and date of one publication, and enough information that the others could easily be found online. But since you seem to need more info, here it is: the 2006 study I mentioned was published in the June 2006 issue of PLOS Medicine. It was led by Dr. Julio Licinio at UCLA. The name of the 2009 study is “Antidepressant Utilization and Suicide in Europe: An Ecological Multi-National Study,” led by Ricardo Gusmao. You can look them up. Dr. Ioannidis' article has been challenged (see Goodman and Greenland) and in any case, one person's statements hardly rest your case. As I said, the preponderance of evidence shows that antidepressants save lives.

    Your mention of scripture is interesting. The LDS Church has a student study guide for the New Testament. It defines the word “sorceries” in Revelation 18:23 as “magic.”

  • Ann Blake Tracy Logandale, NV
    Nov. 28, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    And by the way Anonyme if the title of the article is "Committee approves bill clarifying school suicide prevention statutes" don't you think that a very large part of suicide prevention would be in learning the causes of suicide? The "suicidal ideation" known to be double for those under 25 who take antidepressants is an overwhelming compulsion or obsession about committing suicide and continuous thoughts of ways to commit suicide. Seems it should help a teacher deal better with a student if they understood those suicidal compulsions are so strong in the age group he/she is dealing with. They would be better prepared for the urgency of the situation if they were aware of this aspect don't you think?

  • Ann Blake Tracy Logandale, NV
    Nov. 28, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    Anonyme nice touch hiding behind "Anonymous" while you give us these supposed "facts" about antidepressants with no references. My facts are easy to search because I am up front about who I am.

    As for your studies it is important to note Dr. Marcia Angel left as editor of the New England Journal of Medicine in about 2000 because she was sick of printing "infomercials" as valid studies in the journal and pointed out that the studies were falsified.

    Add to that the interview with the world's leading expert on medical research in the Atlantic Monthly Magazine in November, 2010. Dr. Ioannidis stated boldly in this interview titled "Lies, Damn Lies and Medical Science" that at that point he estimated that 90% of the research now is 90% "tainted," "flawed" or just plain "bogus" due to influence ($$$$) from the industry with vested interests! He went on to lament that he feared this would cause the end of medical science. I would not take a car to a mechanic relying on info that was 90% incorrect!

    Time yet to heed the warnings of John (Rev 18:21-23) concerning the deceptions of "sorcery" which is "Pharmakia" in Greek, meaning "medicine from a pharmacy."

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    Furthermore, Ms. Tracy, a 2006 study showed that SSRI antidepressants have saved thousands of lives since they became available in the U.S. in the late 1980s. Suicide rates remained fairly steady for the 15 years prior to the introduction of Prozac in 1988, but they dropped steadily over the next 14 years as use of the drug increased. Between 12.7 and 13.7 suicides occurred among every 100,000 people in the U.S. from the early 1960s until 1988. Suicides steadily declined after that to a low of 10.4 per 100,000 in 2000. A 2009 study in Europe showed that “Suicide rates have tended to decrease more in European countries where there has been a greater increase in the use of antidepressants. These findings underline the importance of the appropriate use of antidepressants as part of routine care for people diagnosed with depression, therefore reducing the risk of suicide.”

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Ann Blake Tracy, this is an article about the legal limits teachers have in identifying and preventing suicide in young people. It's not about the causes of depression. But if it were, your "three strongest witnesses" pale in the face of the preponderance of scientific evidence. From a NIMH bulletin: “In the [2004] FDA review, no completed suicides occurred among nearly 2,200 children treated with SSRI medications. However, about 4 percent of those taking SSRI medications experienced suicidal thinking or behavior. More recently, results of a comprehensive review of pediatric trials conducted between 1988 and 2006 suggested that the benefits of antidepressant medications likely outweigh their risks to children and adolescents with major depression and anxiety disorders. The study was published in the April 18, 2007, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association."

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    I don't have a friend that hasn't been a little mentally ill at some point in his or her life. Seriously.

    People have problems. Unfortunately, we treat the body pretty well but the mind is up for grabs.

  • Ann Blake Tracy Logandale, NV
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    WHY do you need more bills and more committees when you have the three strongest witnesses possible as to why we now have so many youth suicides?

    1. 2005 FDA issued the strongest warning possible before completely banning a group of drugs which is a Black Box Warning for about double the rate of suicide for those under age 25.

    2. 1997 Dr. Candace Pert, whose discovery of binding to drug receptors used to make antidepressants possible and who also headed the brain chemistry department at the National Institute of Mental Health for 13 years, yet stated boldly in Time Magazine, Oct. 20, page 8, how opposed she was to antidepressants calling them "monsters" and stating that she was alarmed to have ever had a part in their development. She instead recommended diet and exercise as safe and effective solutions. Dr. Pert sat on our board at the International Coalition for Drug Awareness until her death two months ago.

    3. 1990's A memo used in court cases from the manufacturer of the first SSRI antidepressant demonstrating the company was informed by their own researches before putting it on the market that the drug itself was causing suicide.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    The unseen wounds of the soul are naturally harder to bind and heal than that which is physical and up front. Suicide-prone teens need to know a bigger picture, need hope, need love and to know of their infinite worth. Suicide is seen as an answer to relieve pain and heartache by people when their vision of life is clouded over; when blue sunny skies cannot be seen, a ride that gets them topside of that is needed.