The way I see it, it's all the Mormonism in the States Government, trying
to tell me what I can and can't do... What ever happened to separation of
church and state?
I'm about as conservative (probably a Libertarian in most areas) as you can
get.This is a dumb law. Liberals love laws. They can't buy
enough ink to write all the laws they love to force on people. It is an
embarrassing shame that Republicans are becoming just as stupid as the democrats
by attempting to legislate behavior like this. The net effect of this law is
nothing.The bottom line is people should be allowed to choose. They
should likewise be expected to shoulder the expense and consequences of their
choices. I am not interested in paying for the healthcare costs of
people who smoke, drink, and do drugs but I am forced to.There in
lies the problem. People love to do whatever they want as long as they can
access other peoples money to pay for it. Liberal dream of utopia.Republicans need to wake up and stop being liberal democrats. This is why
republicans can't win national elections anymore...its because many of them
are closet democrats making dumb laws that make zero difference in the grand
scheme of things.
""The people we represent expect us to make sure that we're not
allowing things to harm society and things that harm individuals in
society," "The hypocrisy of that statement is astounding,
considering the effect that Sugar has on people.
The truthSo let me see if I can follow your logic. It is alright to
force your views on others if it is done on a local or state bases but not on a
country wide bases? and if people don't like it the can leave?
Stop with the double standards. One age of adulthood is enough. Better yet,
abolish arbitrary age restrictions in general and replace them with an objective
criteria for adulthood that can be seen and felt as an accomplishment. The same
citizenship test immigrants must pass?
The State Religious Nannies are doing their best to put more government into
something of which they disapprove.girls can get married at 14 with
parental permission, making them an adult.17 year olds can join the
military with parental permission, fight, kill, die and be considered adults.16 year olds can become emancipated from their parents and be considered
an adult.18 year olds can vote.18 year olds can get
married.Our nannies will continue to find aspects of our lives into
which they can make a law to control us.Utah will lose revenue if
they raise the smoking age to 21 because anyone going next door to other states
can load up on cigarettes the same way they do with alcohol.Face it,
this isn't about health or anything else. It's about Mormon
Republicans extending their religious beliefs to others to make it difficult and
to send a message. It is that time of year.
come on folks -- if you can't use the police powers of the state to force
people to live their lives precisely as you think they should then you take all
the fun out of being in the legislature
When a person from China will say that Utah is the most oppressive place they
have ever been, that's says a lot.
Better yet, lets legalize everything at any age for anybody.
The Utah Legislators are at it again. They are basically saying that anyone
under 21 is half a citizen. A young adult can fight for his country but cannot
have the same rights as those he is protecting. In addition we are willing to
place another non-enforceable law on the books that will not have one iota
affect on whether an 18, 19, or 20 year old smokes or not. Just another feel
good law of no substance. These young people will get their smokes whether you
place a law or not. You just put them in a position to start breaking stupid
laws early on. I am not saying smoking is safe or that anyone should start. I am
just saying that this is not the way to have a positive impact. Personal freedom
is something that should be protected, even for those under 21 years of age. I
thought a Republican led legislator would believe in those
Oh Boy - here we go again. Wake up people. More gosh darn state government
telling us what we can and cannot do. My Gosh, enough is enough.
News Flash! New York City outlawed the sale of sweetened drinks of volumes over
16 ounces (since overturned by the courts). Let's review additional
talibanish, silly laws around the USA - coconut oil, raw, unpasteurized milk in
22 states, sassafras oil (potential carcinogen). We are highly discouraged to
consume fried foods because they may cause cancer or be too fatty, or cause
hallucinations. Who knew? Utah always gets the blame for stupid alcohol laws
(which they are). As it turns out there are many laws around the country that
are much tougher than Utah laws. Personally I think they lack common sense, but
I digress. The list goes on and on and on. Now, we do know that
tobacco and alcohol products are carcinogens, cause heart disease, lung diseases
and many other life threatening health problems, not to mention the many lives
lost due to driving under the influence.If policy makers are
sincerely concerned about the peoples health, they would outlaw tobacco, alcohol
and now marijuana completely! How the heck can they make raw milk sellers and
buyers criminals and keep all these other toxic substances on the market!?
it's truly mind boggling!
Whew!Let's now, for a moment, try to imagine the reaction to this
proposal had it been promoted by the Democrats.After what Romney went
through with his "Which Romney is here today?" behavior, it is difficult
to understand how Republicans have not yet learned their lesson.Remember
now, many of you strongly support government getting out of our lives...... re:
the recent trans fat controversy.Right?
@LDS LiberalYou are free to move about this country and live in area
where the majority share your political, moral, and legal values.Why isn't the majority allowed here to have the the laws they wish?That is how this country was designed to be.A true
"Taliban", like the left, wants to enforce their values and morals, and
sense of legality on everyone, everywhere.See the difference.Lets us have our own corner, our own state or county or city, with our
laws, without your incessant criticizing.There is a BIG difference
between the feds dictating to everyone everywhere, and each corner doing what
they want within the bounds of the constitution.It is a good law
How many smokers start at 19? My guess is not that many. We are just forcing
smokers to hide for two more years.The only way to decrease the number of
smokers, is to stop them from starting as children.Raising the age to 21
will not do a thing.If we cannot stop children from smoking when the legal
age is 19, why do we think by raising the legal age to 21, it will change
Pass the bill and sign it. It's common sense, good science and excellent
Simple answer to the problem: raise the age to say, 100.
LDS LiberalFarmington, UTRomney? Changing the tobacco age? Non
sequitur comments seem to be your favorite. BTW, the US is so confused by the
flip flops on the ACA and the "improper promises," AKA lies, that the WH
has given that Romney is looking better and better. Romney would win the
election if it were held today, so says a poll in the Washington Post.
This is truely not a matter of public safety.If it was, They
would be doing more for the bad air quality that affects each and every man,
woman and child, Mormon and Non-Morman alike here in Utah, and not
something that affects what? 0.0087% of the adults 18-21 years old who choose to
smoke.Yes -- this would be a good example of Nanny State.
And people wonder and get all offened when I call this "Utah-liban".This is why...
@ Chris B, no, I stick to my comment. You may want to define it your way.
I'll include in the definition Republicans trying to tell adults what they
can and can't use. I think tobacco is revolting, but banning it for adults
ages 18-20 will do no good whatsoever. It ranks up there with the stupid,
insane liquor laws (and I don't drink). It is a total waste of time and
effort. It is the government - in this case conservatives - interferring in the
lives of a segment of our adult citizens. No, you want an nanny state on the
things you want, and will whine about the things you don't want.
So we can send young men and women to war but don't trust them in buying
tobacco and alcohol? If they want to raise the age limit that is fine, but then
selective service shouldn't be hassling my son to register until he is 21
also. At what age are people adults?
Ironic -- The very next DN article is about Utah's smog problems that
effect EVERYONE.But, The Utah State Legislature doesn't
seem to give a rip about doing anything about that....
As a life-long conservative I can only say that THIS is where the conservatives
becomes hippocritical of each other.(Real) conservatives
wouldn't touch this with a "ten-foot pole". IMHO I say "leave
people alone" - if they want to smoke themselves to death, they have that
RIGHT. If they want to drink themselves to death (as long as they stay off the
road)they have that RIGHT.The nanny state shouldn't be any part
of conservatism. WHENEVER conservatives try to dictate social issues - they
come up flat.HOW can we, as conservatives, be against government
mandated healthcare but think its aok to tell adults (they CAN fight for our
country BTW)that they CAN'T smoke?Conservatives SHOULD stay out
of the business of trying to be the "health nannies"!
From the very same people who keep trying to tell you they are for getting
Government our of our lives.andThe Government CAN'T
ban trans fatty foods, but most ironically CAN ban tobacco for
18-21 year olds.No wonder Mitt Romney won so many votes here, Flipping and Flopping seems to be a way of life.
Equire, You don't understand nanny state it is clear.If the
argument was whether there should be any age limit at all to buying tobacco, you
could rightly bring in the nanny state argument.But perhaps you
don't know that most liberals support there being a minimum age to buy
tobacco. So you don't think that having an age limit of 19 is a nanny
state but 21 is?Care to try again?
Tobacco, alcohol (legal), and marijuana are the gateway drugs to drug addiction.
I have no problem with raising the age to buy tobacco products to 21. Mayor
Blumberg this week signed an ordinance for New York City raising the age to 21.
However, as reported in this article the average age Utah children start using
tobacco is 12.6 years old. If this is the case it seems like more enforcement
and education may also be helpful. Even though alcohol use becomes legal at age
21 I wouldn't be surprised to see the average age of beginning use close to
that of tobacco. I would also support raising the age of purchasing
marijuana to 21. Oops, marijuana sales are already illegal to anyone in Utah,
but teenagers probably use as much marijuana as tobacco. Like I said, I have no
problem raising the age for tobacco purchase, but those young folks that want it
will still get it. For results more enforcement and education is required, not
only for tobacco, but alcohol and marijuana, the gateway drugs to hard drug use.
Gee, Why doesn't the State of Utah just flat out ban the sale of Tobacco?
What are these Conservative Politicos trying to conserve anyway?
So the GOP is all about the nanny state. Who knew?