Chris B:"Those guys told to go play a few meaningless snaps must be
furious - and you'd better believe future recruits will hear about
it."You guys act like this is something new. CFB programs across
the country have been decreasing red shirts to clear up scholarships for players
that contribute and not waste them on players that ride the bench for 5 yrs. How
do you think Alabama signs 28 players when they don't have that many spots
on their roster? They do it by clearing out red shirts and guys who aren't
contributing. Many end up transferring. I'm a Georgia fan, and they have
been doing this for quite awhile. It's high time BYU and Utah came around
by doing the same. You have Tanner Mangum who will be coming off a mission...do
you really want to risk having a scholarship available for him with guys that
may never see more than garbage time? Every coach and program in the country is
moving in this direction, so don't act as if Bronco is a bad coach for
doing the same.
This a very win-able game for the Y. If the weather isn't as bad as
predicted, Hill should be able to throw at will against ND's terrible
secondary. I have watched ND a lot (too many times) this year and have been
blown away how bad their secondary really is.
I'll be there also, IA Cougar. I saw the forecast. It is going to be
miserable. I'm a little concerned. BYU this year has struggled in bad
weather. In decent weather, I definitely give the Cougars the edge in this one.
Do you really think Bronco would deceive players and "waste" their
eligibility? These guys practice with the team all year, work to improve and
love to play. I doubt they feel ripped off or they would have declined to go
in.As for Notre Dame....the game conditions look wicked to say the
least. 30 degrees, snow and 20+ mph wind out of the north. It will most likely
favor a running game and be a defensive war. That may favor BYU given the state
of the Irish offense. Who knows. I'm excited to be at the stadium this
year cheering on the Cougs!
You don't have to red shirt your freshman year. In Billy Greens case he may
actually want to keep his red shirt year available. If he gets injured later on
or transfers to another school it would be good for him to have that red shirt
available. Criticize all you want but this is between the coach and the player
to decide. Munns was a 4 star recruit and has never been better than 3rd string,
did any one care about his red shirt?...no. It all plays out in the end...one
under center and the others on the bench. Why not get in the game when you have
a chance? It may be your only chance.
I actually kind of agree with Chris B on this one. Just cause they would have
red shirted doesn't mean they couldn't have left for the NFL a year
early (still in 4 years) if they are projected to get drafted. That way they at
least have the potential to stay "if needed". If needed being the key
words. To me it sounds more like Bronco clearing up scholarship space for the
future with players he probably doesn't foresee getting as much playing
time. If that's the case, it's actually pretty smart.
I agree with CougFaninTX : I think those asked to give up their redshirt yrs
were most likely talked to about it before and are not players the coaches think
will be major players of the future. I don't know for sure and if playing
them was a spur of the moment thing I'd be frustrated and upset but I think
players were probably talked to ahead of time. Interesting article on ESPN
about teams that are probably better than their record and BYU was one of them,
I think that has been the case both last yr and this year. I think last yrs D
was better than this yrs but not having a QB that could do much was the biggest
problem , this yr was the same early until Hill developed, winning against ND
and for that matter our bowl opponent will most likely depend on how well Hill
Good match up; looking forward to watching the game!
I didn't even watch most of the second half vs Idaho State. Hearing that
our backup QBs burned potentially valuable redshirts to play garbage minutes is
frustrating. I would be pretty ticked if I were a backup QB who had sat out most
of the year--content do so because I could get a shot at playing later on in my
career--only to have my redshirt burned at this point in the season. I guess I
don't know what was told to them during the recruiting process, but that
seems like a pretty lousy way to lose a year of eligibility. (Especially for
Green, who is not LDS and so won't go on a mission.) It also means
that--with Hill at the helm--none of them is likely to see the field unless an
injury to Hill occurs. (Let's hope that doesn't happen.)
This should be a very good game for the Cougs, and a much more winnable game for
them. I try to be fair & impartial with my support of the Cougs. I had them
losing to Wisconsin, but Notre Dame will be a different story. Time for some
good, solid nat'l publicity as they end the season w/ the Irish and Wolf
Pack and prepare for their bowl game.
The Solution,Those guys told to go play a few meaningless snaps must
be furious - and you'd better believe future recruits will hear about
it.I think it was 4-5 guys Bronco had been redshirting, only to pull
them to have them play 3 worthless snaps against Idaho when the season is almost
over?So Bronco wasted an entire year of eligibility for those guys
in order to run onto the field for 3 pointless plays against Idaho?I'd be furious if I was one of those guys. And you'd better believe
they are furious as well.This is poor coaching at its peak.
As an alum of both schools, I have to say Go Irish!But this has the
makings of being a good game. Injury notwithstanding, BYU has been exceeding a
lot of expectations this year.
I'm most interested in the "change in philosophy" about
redshirting. Somehow I think this is less about a change in philosophy and more
about - we don't want the player for an additional year, and we want the
scholorship available for someone else instead of a 5th year senior who will be
sitting on the bench.
I don't understand Bronco's position on red-shirting in regard to
Billy Green. Green is not LDS and will not be serving a mission. Would it not
have been good for him to redshirt? Stewart already served a mission and is a
JUCO transfer, so he probably can't redshirt. The garbage time of kneeling
for Green makes no sense to me. The sure way of losing stock in the NFL is to
not play meaningful minutes. If an extra year of eligibility buys you more time
for an opportunity to to play, then it is worth it.
Well at least last week was not a bye week. Bye weeks seem to be bad luck for
The team doctors and trainers are highly trained medical professionals who
don't want to leave themselves open to liability issues by releasing an
injured player to return too quickly. Undoubtedly, they will take the
conservative and prudent approach in deciding who will be allowed to play this
Saturday. Things have changed a lot from the way they used to be in
that regard, when medical support personel would basically do whatever the
coaches wanted. Thankfully, with the ongoing national discussions regarding
concussions and other football injuries, more caution and professionalism now
prevails on most teams.
Not a fan of playing hurt, even for starters prior to injury...oft-times a
healthy back-up will execute the play better and help the team more than less
than 100% starters, such as Falslev is now, will be Saturday. Some may say he
has earned right to play, but no one earns the right to hurt the team's
chances for success, and it is a team game.
I wish the Cougars well. I doubt that the game this past week helped tune them
up for South Bend. I hope the defense is up to the task. I hope the offensive
line is up to the task. I hope the defensive backs are up to the task. I hope
Coach Anae is up to the task. I hope the running backs are up to the task. I
hope the defensive front line is up to the task. I hope that Hill, tight ends,
and wide receivers are up to the task. I hope the line backers are up to the
task. I hope special teams is up to the task. I hope the Cougars bring it all
to the field at every position. Every down and every position are critical. Go
Cougars. This is a win-able game.
Did ja notice that Wisconsin used about the same language when telling if
Abbederis and their All-American linebacker would play against BYU as BYU is
using when describing the fitness of Hadley and Falslev? But I'll bet
neither will play...but BYU got played by Wisconsin.