Why the Obamacare 'fix' might be messy

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    there is no "fix" other than complete repeal. The law is un-sustainable and un-workable. This is what happens when you pass the bill before you read the bill. Sort of like taking a rugged dirt road in your 4WD before you even know where it leads. It may lead to a dead end where you can't even turn around without rolling over into a deep canyon. Should have looked at the topo map BEFORE you took the road. Too late to FIX things once you get to the end of the road. The only solution is to BACK UP all the way to the main road and then go in a different direction (hopefully this time looking at a map) and using some common sense.

  • LoveLife2 RIVERTON, UT
    Nov. 20, 2013 4:39 p.m.


    The definition of legislation:

    1. The act or process of legislating; lawmaking.
    2. A proposed or enacted law or group of laws.

    So, yes, HR 3121 does fall under "legislation" as it is a proposed law.

    Only in your little liberal bubble does legislation=solutions.

    But, if you really want legislation, any of the repeal bills passed by the House Obamacare are looking more likely every day as the only solution to this mess.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    Nov. 20, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    Immediate fix in five easy steps.

    1. Get the government out of the healthcare industry.
    2. Get the government out of the healthcare industry.
    3. Get the government out of the healthcare industry.
    4. Get the government out of the healthcare industry.
    5. Get the government out of the healthcare industry.

    Asking the federal government to fix the healthcare-related problems of the U.S. is like asking an arsonist to put out a fire he started. The only long-term solution is to stop the arsonist from starting fires.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:46 p.m.


    The term Obamacare was around long before Mitt Romney said it. Get your facts straight!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    "What is the name of the plan?"-- H.R.3121 - American Health Care Reform Act of 2013

    "How many pages?" 191

    Sponsored by David Roe, TN on 9/17/13

    It is still in committee, but it doesn't really matter if it passes. Harry Reid wouldn't bring it up for a vote anyways.'

    Few points:

    So 1) This is NOT legislation. It sounds like, this has not even passed the Republican House.

    So, once again, how can something be a 'solution', when it is not even brought to a vote….by the people who are supposed to be supporting an 'alternative'.

    It's 2013 people. Where are the solutions?

    2) It's 2013.

    If the only time your party looks for solutions…

    is when someone ELSE has one…

    you have no solutions.

    3rd. Bush had x8 years to fix this problem and the 'solution' is still in it's infancy in Obama's 2nd term?

    How was my claim that the GOP has zero solutions, been proven 'wrong' in this case? :)

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    We have had national health care for the last 60 years, Mr. Obama wants people to start paying for it, that is conservative. No more free riders. Follow the Bible and you will be blessed, religious people live longer. Proverbs 3:8 "It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to the bones."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    May our Obama supporters get what they voted for.

    Pointing fingers at Bush, Republicans, or the Tea Party, won't fix this, and is a sign of weakness.

    This one is on me-----Obama, a few days ago.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    Obamacare is a giant income redistribution scheme from the beginning. Compiled in secret, no hearings held, passed literally at midnight on Christmas eve 2009 and rammed down America's throat using procedural gimmicks with only Democrats voting for it and every Republican against. Obama never sought Republican input and shut them out. So many Democrats voted like lemmings using DNC talking points and now are horrified to learn how it's all unravelling.

    Repeal this abomination. Restore freedom. Pass Health Savings Accounts and empower the people; not the bureaucrats!

    FIre the IRS "enforcers" under Obamacare.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    I'd like to see someone take this issue to court for breach of contract. Here's where I'm coming from:

    A contractual agreement is comprised of three parts: 1) An offer, 2) An acceptance, and 3) Consideration. Obama asked me to vote for him by promising that I can keep my insurance policy AND my rates would not go up (Offer). I believed him and the many other Democrats that pledged the same. I agreed to the terms. (Acceptance). So relying upon the terms of the Offer, I voted twice for Barrack Obama as President (Consideration).

    If I had known that Obama and Congress were lying to me, I would not have given Obama my vote. But since he made a contract with me and the American citizens, I expect that he keeps his promises: -- that I can keep my policy, and -- that my rates won't go up. In fact, Obama promised that the average American will save $2,500 a year. I would like to see someone press this in court!

    ... And to you other Democrats, quit putting political partisanship over principle. Obama made us a promise! Don't let him walk all over us.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    "Unscrambling an omelet"
    I remember sleeping over at a friend's house and in the morning my friend's mom tried to make omelets for us. It was horribly burned and tasted awful. There was no unscrambling that either. Today, Barack Obama is my friend's mother and his 'omelet' is good for nothing and should be cast into the garbage. Nobody asked if I wanted an omelet. I don't and certainly not a burned one.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    @bungalow - Who really cares about the name.

    My facts are straight. Also, Obama during the debates completely accepted the term "ObamaCare", and it was given the name but it is his. It has his name on it, his changes, etc. thus the name. And for all that, that is all you have. Figured as much.

  • che1968 Exton, PA
    Nov. 19, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    Apparently in Obama's childhood, he never learned the nursery rhyme "Humpty-Dumpty". King Obama will never be able to put back together this Humpty Dumpty that has fallen, ne men.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    Bungalow, yes, let's get the facts straight. From CNN 6/25/12, "'Obamacare': The word that defined the health care debate":

    "That month, a record -- which was broken a few months later -- was set for the number of times 'Obamacare' had been uttered in Congressional speeches: 272 times, according to an analysis by the Sunlight Foundation.

    That analysis showed the word has been used nearly 3,000 times since its debut as a phrase on Capitol Hill in July 2009.

    The word was first put in print in March 2007, according to The New York Times, when health care lobbyist Jeanne Schulte Scott penned it in a health industry journal."

    "We will soon see a 'Giuliani-care' and 'Obama-care' to go along with 'McCain-care,' 'Edwards-care,' and a totally revamped and remodeled 'Hillary-care' from the 1990s,' she wrote."

    In the same article: "So part of the Affordable Care Act health care reform, also known as 'Obamacare,' " he said at a town hall meeting in Cannon Falls, Minnesota. "I have no problem with folks saying 'Obama cares.' I do care. If the other side wants to be the folks who don't care, that's fine with me."

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Every public policy debate should begin with three questions:
    Should we?
    Can we?

    ACA has never been settled on the first question: SHOULD our government regulate medical care? Over half of America has never been sold on the idea in the first place. It was a tough sell to Congress, failed three times, and was finally passed using bribes, procedural tricks and a last-minute push.

    Can we? Well, apparently not. Washington has note been very effective at carrying out policies, and this one is HUGE.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    one of the rules of engineering is not to waste time on a bad design. There comes a point where you cut your losses - scrap the whole thing and swallow your pride and start over. Get some new perspective and fresh ideas. Some things just can't be fixed and instead of spinning your tires in the mud going nowhere it is best to just stop the car - get out and walk. Obamacare - in every imaginable way is a nightmarish tragedy. The law is rotten and so is the web site. The web site is in MUCH better shape than the law and "might" be able to be fixed at least to the point where you can use it. The law will never work. The time - money - effort wasted trying to fix the law could be spent brain storming on a new law that actually DOES fix healthcare in America.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Why go through all of this for only a one year delay in these plans being cancelled? The lie would still be a lie next year.

    People only focus on what happens to the individual market. I would like to see the media report on what effect this law is having on the employer group plans. Those plans "arent available" as they were before either. Lots of deceit in this law, just like always when goverment makes us promises.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Hmm, wondering if anyone has paid any attention to the House hearings this morning with Henry Chao.

    From National Review: "A chief official responsible for building the federal health-insurance exchange revealed that as much as 70 percent of the system still needs to be built. Henry Chao, the deputy chief information officer for Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, told a House subcommittee that the administration still needs to construct the payment systems and other 'back office' functions, which constitute 60 to 70 percent of the system." (video at NRO).

    60 to 70%? They need to construct the payment system? That would mean that zero people have actually paid for their plans and probably why Obama and HHS included plans that were in "shopping carts" with their enrollment numbers.


    Bungalow, Obama knew: "'The president received regular briefings on various aspects of implementing the [Affordable Care Act], including the recommendations from this review and the steps that CMS, HHS and others had taken to address those recommendations,' press secretary Jay Carney said of a McKinsey report that House Republicans provided to news outlet"--Politico

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    The Rock: "Now stop saying the Republican's don't have a plan."

    Save your breath. To people like Pagan and atl134 anything short of a huge government plan that takes over the health care industry and makes everyone who can afford health insurance pay way more than they need to in order to subsidize millions who can't/won't (i.e. a different clone of Obamacare) is not a real plan.

    Just like calling all those perfectly good health insurance policies that consumers bought and liked "junk policies" because they don't cover everything under the sun; liberals will never support a plan that doesn't completely uproot the whole healthcare system.

    Things like medical savings accounts don't work in the liberal world because you control it, not them.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:42 p.m.


    First of all, you say... "But many of the GOP and critics are quick to dismiss that idea that he was naive to this fact.""

    This is his plan, it is named after him. Why would or should he be naive to it? He should have known what was in it. He didn't even read it, Pelosi didn't even read it. Nobody read it accept (R-WY) Senator Mike Enzi who predicted all of this failure. Maybe some more due diligence should have been given to him for his efforts. Instead we had Obama making promises he couldn't keep, and Pelosi telling us we had to pass something first to find out what was in it. Well, isn't this one heck of a surprise. If this is OK for you. I have some documents I would like you to sign. Once you sign them, then you can read them. You wouldn't do that would you?

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:41 p.m.


    Where you're wrong is defending this horrendous piece of legislation! Thank goodness the Republicans had nothing to do with it!

    The government's place is not being my health care provider. That has always been a nightmare scenario. Your feeble attempts to bat for your team and defend this law is falling on deaf ears.

    The only true solution to this debacle is to scrap Obamacare completely!

    As I see it, the one positive is the incredibly negative effect this will have on the Democratic party. Hopefully people will wake up and see that an increase in government only means less freedoms, more dependency, and crippling debt...and vote accordingly.

    This is Obama's presidency. There is no more blaming Bush…sorry.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:25 p.m.


    100,00 in the first month? Now subtract the number of those that were medicaid. We now are in single to small digits.

    "The estimate is that only 10-15 million would be affected by this" - And that is not enough for you to think there is a problem. Now when business' are affected next year, that number grows to over 100 Million, and these are only the early numbers. If 10 or 15 Mil doesn't do it for you, does over 100 Mil do the trick.

    You keep saying people don't know what they are talking about. Do you? This is a disaster, I do not even get how you defend it. You can't think politically, you have to think like business to what is best for this country. Even if ObamaCare survives it will kill itself. There is not enough money to come in to pay for it. I would rather pay the penalty and save thousands of dollars than to buy into his government controlled system.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    To "atl134" you are right, the 32% is a myth. According to Forbes, the increase is really 41%. See "49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%" in Forbes. If your uncle wasn't able to afford insurance before the ACA would he have been able to afford it after a 41% increase? You also assume that all of the charges in his treatment were covered. You also have neglected to tell us about the economic standing of your uncle. According to a study from a few years ago 38% of the uninsured could afford insurance, but chose not to buy it. Could you uncle afford insurance? If he chose not to buy it, who's fault is that? Why blame the system because of the choices that your uncle made? From there you have 57% that qualify for government insurance programs but chose not to enroll. Again, if you uncle fits that classification, why blame the system for your uncle's choices?

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 1:08 p.m.


    The deadline is not months, it is now days. And you said "It seems to me that no matter what this President does, he will be viciously attacked by the ill-informed, bad faith, pile-on, destroy at all cost sycophants. The clamor for change, he gives it to them, then the complain even louder." Who's the ill informed?


    "The 'fix' is better, than the alternative. Which is more of nothing from the Republican party." And what have the Dems done? Let me help, I will tell you the answer. "You have to pass it to see what's inside of it." -NP, maybe a little more homework should have been done instead the hurry to get it out there without even the author of the thing knowing what is in it. This is the Dem way, hurry it up and pass it and then we can blame the Republicans and they can fix it later. But it sure makes us look good. Democrats are Politicians. Republicans are businessmen. Thats the difference.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:41 p.m.


    I don't know how you missed it but the Republicans do have a solution to this."

    Rock - she missed it because love is blind. Liberal thinking originates from emotion. Conservative thinking originates from the brain. That's the difference.

    But to the topic, and what I wanted to post:

    Obama is an amateur, and has surrounded himself with amateurs. They have no capacity to accomplish anything, let alone try to take over one sixth of the American economy by the Obamacare cram down. The so called Affordable Care Act is not about health coverage - in fact it is about Big Government Control over America.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    Anyone of this DN forum taken the time to read about the Koch Brothers involvement in the sabotaging of the ACA?
    Obvious as the odd colored suntan on John Buehner's face, that this is what's happening.
    No other valid explanation for such a mess.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:30 p.m.


    "What is the name of the plan?"-- H.R.3121 - American Health Care Reform Act of 2013

    "How many pages?" 191

    Sponsored by David Roe, TN on 9/17/13

    It is still in committee, but it doesn't really matter if it passes. Harry Reid wouldn't bring it up for a vote anyways.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    "the US healthcare system is actually the best in the world."

    Only if you can afford it. My uncle passed away in December after a month long hospital battle. His healthcare costs that month added up to over half a million dollars. Guess who can't afford that? His family.

    "It has raised the cost of healthcare by raising insurance by an average of 32%"

    That's false. Consult the factcheck article "Health Insurance Premium Spin" that finds that the CBO notes a 10-13% premium increase that is largely tied to an increase in benefits people will have.

    @Virginians for BYU
    It does 1, 4, and 5 (jury is out on 3 and it was doing 2 but the "fix" in this article pulls back on it temporarily). It also expands Medicaid, expands the age someone can stay on their parents' plan, and ends lifetime and annual caps.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    "Had you said $690 or even $1200 I would have you."

    Mine was 1,500 just for an afternoon stay in a hospital room (17,000 total for the procedure and everything). Good thing I had insurance.

    @The Rock
    "1. Allow insurance to be sold across state lines."

    That's a race to the bottom.

    "3. Move to catastrophic care policies with high deductibles."

    Wait, Republicans want more junk policies? Why don't you just play the lottery, at least you can control how much debt you get into that way?

    "6. Those treated at the ER without insurance have to pay the bill unless they are too poor."

    That's already the case.

    "So we can conclude like adults that the ACA has led to (1) fewer or at best the same amount of people having health insurance (2) those who do have health insurance are getting it at a higher price."

    The number of uninsured in 2010 was 49.9 million. In 2011 it was 48.6 million (census bureau stats). There's no evidence that fewer people have health insurance. As for higher premiums, you failed to account for the subsidies.

  • Virginians for BYU Lebanon, MO
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    As I have understood the advertised intent of the ACA was to do the following:
    1. Make Health insurance available to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions
    2. Improve coverage by mandating minimum coverage scenarios
    3. Lower the cost of healthcare insurance by increasing the competition among insurance providers.
    4. Make health insurance more affordable by offering subsidies so those in lower income brackets.
    5. Be self funded so that the ACA does not contribute to the national debt.

    Anyone feel free to add to the list.. Right now I would give it a score of 2 out of 5.

    To date, if you add the amount of money the government spent on the national website to the money states were given to create their own websites... Our country has spent almost 5 billion dollars.

    If someone would have said we were going to spend 5 billion dollars on websites so that people could sign up for Obamacare I am sure everyone would have agreed that there was a better way that would cost substantially less. I wonder how many years of cancelled White house tours it would take to save 5 billion dollars?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @American Patriot
    "At this point I figure you are out numbered by those who know the truth of the matter by at least a hundred million (and counting) or more that have just lost their insurance"

    The estimate is that only 10-15 million would be affected by this, so that's a totally false statement of yours.

    Secondly, I was saying that the old healthcare system was extremely expensive and in need of some sort of reform (whether or not Obamacare is the right reform is a different matter). What did I say that was wrong?

    I'm pretty sure you voted for Romney. Romneycare signed up under 200 people the first month. Obamacare signed up over 100,000 the first month. These things take time, but only conservative plans like Romneycare and Medicare Part D which also had a slow start, are excused by conservatives. Typical...

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    To "atl134" I hate to tell you this, but you are completely wrong about Congress' ability to fix this mess they created. Yes the US spends the most, but as a whole the US healthcare system is actually the best in the world. We have the highest cancer survival rate, are able to respond to illnesses the fastest, and when you account for accidental deaths the US has the longest life expectancy.

    Lets look at what the ACA has done. It has raised the cost of healthcare by raising insurance by an average of 32% and has added all sorts of taxes onto the companies that make the devices needed for healthcare. We may be paying 17% now, but thanks to the ACA that will probably increase closer to 20%.

    You should also realize that less than 1% of the US population is uninsured and prior to the ACA was unable to get insurance. Most that were uninsured were that way because of choice. By supporting the ACA you are saying that you know how to run other people's lives better than they do.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:44 a.m.


    I respectfully disagree with your assessment that it's "website problems, nothing more" as if the website isn't a big deal. You've heard about single mom Jessica Sanford from Washington state, who thanked President Obama by letter for the affordable insurance? Website errors gave her wrong information and she still can't afford insurance. Many people who may use the federal exchange haven't even seen their potential rates yet. It all revolves around the website.

    There aren't "months" left. The healthcare website states, "If you enroll in a private health insurance plan any time between October 1, 2013 and December 15, 2013 and make your first premium payment, your new health coverage starts January 1, 2014." Many people who lost their policy will want insurance on 1/1/14. Subsidies can't be verified or payments made if the website doesn't work.

    Another article from this morning: Exclusive: Expert to warn Congress of Healthcare website security bugs--Reuters

    Don't forget that Obama and several Democrats have repeatedly and knowingly lied about Obamacare-this is undisputed. I don't think it's all Americans who are screwed up, but perhaps just the Americans that continue to believe someone who lies to them.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    atl134: Many of the "uninsured" choose to handle their own medical finances rather than paying a monthly premium to an insurance company to subsidize other peoples' health care.

    Cristoph: One reason the Dow is so high is that the economy is doing so poorly that investors believe the fed. will continue its "quantitative easing" (buying bonds and keeping interest rates artificially low). Quoting from CNN Money: The central bank has been buying $85 billion in bonds every month since September 2012, and has said it will continue to do so until the job market improves "substantially." The program is now nearing $1 trillion in total, yet that goal remains elusive.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    'I don't know how you missed it but the Republicans do have a solution to this.'

    What is the name of the plan?

    How many pages?

    When has the GOP tried to legislate that under this admin?

    No, no, and no.

    x47 attempts to repeal the ACA. Costing Americans over $50 million dollars.

    Republicans had x8 years under Bush and accomplished nothing.

    Talking points are great.

    They are not, a solution.

    Know the difference.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:36 a.m.


    Amigo, no system is perfect the idea of universal healthcare is an ideological idea that at best a system only approaches. So using a utilitarian approach we say how do we get the most people health insurance (and ACA never promised to provide healthcare just insurance--they are different) at the lowest possible cost to society. Now I personally cannot afford insurance. The ACA only made it harder (yes harder!!!) for me, and people like me (part-time employees), to get health insurance. It also made premiums go up on everyone I know that can afford/does have health insurance. So we can conclude like adults that the ACA has led to (1) fewer or at best the same amount of people having health insurance (2) those who do have health insurance are getting it at a higher price. Now...which broken system do you prefer? The argument that any change is progress is silly, because (1) our previous "broken system" is better than most of the world, (2) progress entails improvement (more people, lower cost to society, better services)not legislation (a document that is worthless if it's theory is flawed or incorrectly implemented).

  • krunner South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    So. . . this is a question that I would really love an answer to. Why is it that we could impeach Clinton, whose personal life was a mess, but was actually a fairly decent president, but I don't hear any talk of impeaching Obama. Seriously. Can we not find ANY laws that he has broken? I really don't think I can stand 3 more years of this!

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    The fiasco known as Obamacare is dying under its own weight which, IMO, is more evidence that Senators Cruz and Lee were wrongheaded in their quixotic quest to "defund" it by shutting down the government. There is no question that this country needs some sort of healthcare reform. The ACA has at least gotten everyone's attention, and one can hope that something good will come of it.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    16,000 Dow Jones today; let us keep going in the same direction we are going. It was 6,500 in March 2009. The rich are being taxed heavily and the economy is growing; things are going well in America.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:44 a.m.


    I don't know how you missed it but the Republicans do have a solution to this.

    1. Allow insurance to be sold across state lines.
    2. Legalize real Medical Savings Accounts (MSA's)
    3. Move to catastrophic care policies with high deductibles.
    4. Require health care providers to post their rates and charge everyone the same price.
    5. Do a triage at the ER and send non emergencies to urgent care providers.
    6. Those treated at the ER without insurance have to pay the bill unless they are too poor.
    7. Malpractice reform. 20% of the nations health care bill goes to malpractice insurance. Another 20% goes to defensive medicine (tests ordered because the doctor may need this if he is sued).
    8. Allow a cafeteria approach where the consumer can purchase only the coverage they want.

    There is an army of paper pushers at health care providers and insurance companies that needs to do something productive. A policy with a $10,000 deducible for a 50 year old only costs $47 a month. Put what you would otherwise pay in premiums in your MSA and you're covered.

    Now stop saying the Republican's don't have a plan.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    This president must think he is a god, commanding the world to do his bidding. You would think that after the disastrous roll-out of the ACA, he would realize that he can't just wave his hand and make it so, but he is trying again. He has no clue how many months insurance companies have been working on premium rates and benefits packages, but they started last February. No matter how many times Obama waves his hand, they can't conjure up plans that no longer exist in 6 short weeks.

    Community Organizer!!!??? Speeches and rallies don't reduce the cost of health care, and they don't make a good president.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    "The medical system is technically good, but the means by which it is dispensed (money) is a major problem. A one night stay in a local for profit hospital was $69,000."

    Had you said $690 or even $1200 I would have you. But at $69,000 you must have had a lot more going on than just staying in the hospital overnight.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    The 'fix' is better, than the alternative.

    Which is more of nothing from the Republican party.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    The Republican's are brain dead if they go along with delaying anything on Obama Care at this point.

    This law was delayed until now because the Democrats are boiling frogs. Things are going so poorly that the frogs are ready to hop out of the pot. Any delay just turns down the heat.

    Obama delayed the employer mandate for a year because he did not want 93 million angry voters just before the 2014 election. Obama had no authority to do this. None, Nata Zip!

    The Republicans and Insurance companies should sue to force Obama to enforce 100% of this unconstitutional mess. Turn the heat up already!

    The only change allowed should be repeal and replace.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:11 a.m.

    It seems to me that no matter what this President does, he will be viciously attacked by the ill-informed, bad faith, pile-on, destroy at all cost sycophants. The clamor for change, he gives it to them, then the complain even louder.

    In reflecting on this overblown controversy, once the rollout issues get ironed out and enrollments happen (and there are months yet before the deadline, and we know people wait until near the deadline), all of this will be forgotten. The ludicrous rhetoric is not because critics care about the American people. It's only to advance their own particular interests. Yes, there have been website problems. Yes, website problems, nothing more. But to elevate this to a national crisis is a sign of bad faith. I'm beginning to think this country is really screwed up, and not because of the President.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Nov. 19, 2013 6:05 a.m.

    Correct. I wish the President had just stayed the course until the web site was fixed. Many States have been successful in signing up uninsured people. This change also opened the door for abuse, like canceling policies grandfathered by the ACA and substituting over priced policies outside the Exchange pricing.
    The medical system is technically good, but the means by which it is dispensed (money) is a major problem. A one night stay in a local for profit hospital was $69,000. Why? I was paying into a fund to pay for uninsured showing up at the Emergency Room. My message here if you hate the ACA: if you break an arm, need heart surgery find a DIY book.
    If the ACA does wither, then a Single Payer System is in the future. This is the only Industrialized Country that depend on Employer based insurance. The concept was to attract highly qualified people, now employees are merely disposable chattel. Long past any usefulness.

  • CylonesRus sunamn, IN
    Nov. 19, 2013 5:42 a.m.

    This is a time to file a lawsuit, although Obama care was ruled a tax, it has been changed, not by congress, but by the executive branch, if not challenged, the precendent is most chilling-good bye constitution.

  • American Patriot Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 4:58 a.m.

    atl 134...At this point I figure you are out numbered by those who know the truth of the matter by at least a hundred million (and counting) or more that have just lost their insurance. Anything before this corrupt piece of garbage became 'law' was better than the present ACA fiasco. This is insanity at its best and the majority of Americans - the ones that will pay out the nose for this joke of a plan - are being hurt the most. The TRUTH is that the ACA, or anything like it, is bad news for America and its citizens.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    First you can - then you cant, then you can - muddled confusion! Has anyone, including the president and his advisors read the so called 'Affordable Health Care' either before or after its implementation?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    @American Patriot
    "Let's dump the ACA and go back to what we all had which was working just fine"

    I don't care what you think about the ACA but what we had was definitely not working well. The US was spending 17.5% of GDP on healthcare and healthcare costs were increasing faster than inflation, while other nations were getting comparable results for 8-12% of GDP. Despite spending all that, unlike those other nations we had 10% of people without any insurance at all.

  • American Patriot Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    The ACA (Obamacare as it's known) is an abject failure and obviously was never designed to work in the first place. It was designed to burden the American citizens while forcing a move to a single payer plan which we do not want. Obama and his administration have not done one thing to help this nation. Rather, it has brought this nation to the edge of collapse.

    Obama has been caught in his lies and we, the American people, have had enough of this nonsense. Let's dump the ACA and go back to what we all had which was working just fine.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    This is not now one has it ever been about healthcare, this is about control and how better to control someone but through their health.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    The whole plan is crumbling under the weight of its own arrogance and short-sightedness. Wipe the slate clean and lets do something that really does make healthcare more affordable.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Obama does not work or live in the real world. His presidency is a joke, and cannot end soon enough.

    WHY does congress allow Obama to write and change law at a whim? What Obama does is not legal! Someone should challenge Obamacare before the Supreme Court again because I doubt it will stand.