BYU has won 11 of the last 12 against Utah including 7 in a row.
Duckhunter--"And after this week when utah plays a mediocre wsu
and BYU plays Notre Dame utah's sos will drop and BYU's will rise and
the gap will be even closer. You really are working hard to embarrass yourself.
LOL!"Respective remaining opponents for both The U/byu and their
current Sagarin Rating / Strength-of-Schedule Ranking--Washington
State Sagarin Rating #34 / SOS #3Nortre Dame #42 / #36CU
#81 / #10Nevada #109 / #71As you can readily see for
yourself, Washington State rates / ranks higher than Notre Dame and Colorado
rates / ranks higher than Nevada.Upon seeing these facts, how do you
now believe The U/byu will be impacted in their respective numbers upon each
playing against their two remaining opponents, respectively?
Hmmm.... Forgot utah had a basketball team.
"Once January starts, they’ll play Pac-12 schools the rest of the way
(you can argue that Majerus never played UCLA and Arizona at home in the same
season, which the Utes do now)."In fact, we play both of these
two ranked traditional powerhouses on the road, as well! Not to mention, two
formidable teams home/away in current AP #32 asu/#37 cu, both likely equally
Tourney-bound as aforementioned current AP #5 ua/#22 ucla home/away, as well as
current AP #17 uo once.OOC schedule deliberately created as such,
correlating w/Year 2 Coach LK's Restoration, including strength-level,
finishing mid-conference PAC-12 standings conference tourney and we're
unequivocal NIT-lock, at minimum.Exceeding expectations &
finishing 4/5, we'd at minimum be a Tourney bubble-dwellar, w/opportunity
to significantly raise our Tourney-stock through our conference tourney
performance.Finally, '13/'14 SMU's down, rendering GU
byu's sole obstacle to wcc championship. How utterly weak.Oh
yeah, byu at home needed a game-ending miracle last season, in order to barely
beat us by 3 points, as we were worse during Year 1 Coach LK Restoration. Guess
@noperspectiveMore hypocrisy. BYU football has played the 24th rated
SOS in the nation, hardly "pathetically weak". In fact that is a better
SOS than any utah has ever played up to this year. And after this week when utah
plays a mediocre wsu and BYU plays Notre Dame utah's sos will drop and
BYU's will rise and the gap will be even closer. You really are working
hard to embarrass yourself. LOL!
@Chris B - "Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins than both byU and Usu."So I wonder why BYU got an invite to the post season and Utah stayed
home? And no post season for football either, while BYU was bowling?. What is
happening? The elite Utes can't even produce a winning record?And how are baseball and soccer going in the PAC? Oh, sorry to hear about
that. I loved watching BYU win the NC in Rugby and compete for it
in volleyball, and BYU women's soccer made a great run at the title also.
Ah well, just hang onto your "Utah had MORE top 100 rpi
wins" if that helps U sleep at night. P.S. how many wins was it? LolAs for me, overall wins, RPI and post season play help me sleep.
Basketball pre-season and pre-conference are two different things. With around
300 D-1 schools chasing less than 70 tournament slots, if all you worry about is
your conference schedule, you'll never go dancing in March.But
hey--it's hard for regional schools to be good in more than one major sport
at a time.
Duckhunter"Please stow your hypocrisy away as it even embarasses
me. utah "fans" have obsessed over BYU's independent football
schedule for the last several years, commenting on it constantly."You should be embarrassed, Duck. byu's independent schedule lasts an
entire season. Utah's preseason basketball schedule is exactly
that...preseason. I haven't seen one comment from a Utah fan about how
great Utah's basketball team is. Why? Because we just don't know at
this point. Now, compare and contrast that conduct with how byu
fans handle wins on their pathetically weak independent football schedule.
LOL!Uteanymous"The truth is, Utah fans are privately
embarrassed by the pathetically weak OOC schedules the Utes have had the last
couple of years..."Actually, that isn't true at all. Every
Utah fan on the planet knows and acknowledges the preseason basketball schedule
is pathetically weak. We also know that Coach K has a strategy in place to
continue the re-building of a once proud and dominant program. Utah fans are
behind Coach K 100%. A challenging preseason schedule will be put in place when
deemed appropriate. End of story.
MyPerspective"What I don't still don't get is the
obsession BYU fans have with who Utah plays."Laughing out loud
at the hypocrisy of that statement.EVERY BYU scheduling announcement
is immediately inundated with critique from the BYU-obsessed kids on the
hill.The truth is, Utah fans are privately embarrassed by the
pathetically weak OOC schedules the Utes have had the last couple of years and
are simply putting on a brave face in pretending that the Utes have any interest
at all in playing teams like Evergreen State and St. Katherine's.
Chris B's constant digs about only one current BYU football opponent being
ranked ignore one important fact: schedules are made years in advance. If you
schedule Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boise State, and even Utah
3-4 years down the road, you have every reason to think of that as a solid slate
of games. The fact that those teams underperform in a particular year is not an
indictment of the Y's schedule.And Texas is 6-1 in one of your
precious BCS leagues, BTW. Just sayin'. They probably would be ranked if
Taysom hill hadn't repeatedly left his cleat marks all over their foreheads
on his way to the end zone.A lousy non-conf hoops schedule is harder
to defend. Scheduling is easier and more flexible in basketball. I get a
rebuilding Utah team not wanting to face national powerhouses before their
admittedly difficult conference slate, but this set of games isn't just bad
. . it's HORRENDOUS. Your best game by far is against BYU, who you always
dismiss as weak, and after that it gets silly. Trying to think like a Ute, I
don't think it's good for their program.
@noperspectivePlease stow your hypocrisy away as it even embarasses
me. utah "fans" have obsessed over BYU's independent football
schedule for the last several years, commenting on it constantly. I can quote
probably 100 of them in the last week alone. Having to take a little pay back is
simply the way it is and your whining about it only makes you look foolish.That said BYU doesn't exactly need utah on their schedule either,
in fact at this point in time utah diminishes BYU's schedule whereas BYU is
the only decent OOC team utah even plays. This is purely a tradition, a couple
of schools that have played each other for over a hundred years, in fact it is
one of the top 10 most played and oldest rivalries in the country. It deserves
to be played just for that fact regardless of the excellence (BYU) of one
program and the atrociousness (utah) of the other.I can understand
why you wouldn't want to play it though, 7 in a row, 11 out of 12, and an
overall losing record in the rivalry will do that to a "fan"base. Sound
motorbike, I agree that playing Utah schools makes perfect sense. Hill will
probably schedule it that way next year. I don't agree that byu needs to
be one of those schools, however. What I don't still don't get is the
obsession byu fans have with who Utah plays. I just don't get it. Behind the Des News, byu fans act as if the Utes need their approval to
schedule games. Do byu fans seriously believe the University of Utah is
obligated to obtain a hall pass from the byu collective? Seriously??
Oh the irony of weak b-ball schedules versus weak f-ball schedules. I just love
hypocracy as displayed by the haters.
So many off topic comments.The point of the article is whether or
not Utah should schedule the instate teams rather than out of state teams of
similar difficulty (or non-difficulty for that matter). Count me as
one Ute fan that absolutely agrees these games should be against Utah
schools.And for the record, I'm MOSTLY fine with the patsy OOC
scheduling last year and this year ... however, I do think Utah needed a couple
more road games and at least two more games against opponents similar in talent
to a middle of the PAC 12 team.Next year I'll definitely expect
to see a more challenging OOC schedule - and again, I'd certainly welcome
more "local" opponents.
Can someone explain to me why byu fans and the Deseret News care a hoot about
Utah's preseason basketball schedule? What's the deal with all of you
people? I just don't get it. Someone? Anyone??
Three games into the season, BYU already had victories over two teams (Stanford
and Weber St) that SI picks to make the tournament. Btw, they also pick the Y
to make the tournament. Duke plays Kansas, Kentucky plays
MSU...this is basketball where good teams play each other throughout the year,
knowing that playing good teams makes your team better and also knowing that
with a tournament large enough to include most good teams, there's no need
to "hide" as happens so often in college football.Only when
there is a sixteen team tournament in football will we see preseason #1 play #2
and #4 play #5 in the first week of the season as we see in basketball. Until
then college football will continue to be an exhibition sport with a champion
decided by voters and computers, not a true championship sport, with a champion
decided on the field.
FelisConcolorNorth Salt Lake, UT'This is the main reason Utah
doesn't play Weber State anymore:December 22, 2011. Weber State
80, Utah 51.'And yet we continue to get schedule smack from a
fan base who has a coach who doesn't want to play Weber State and an AD who
is afraid of USU.Amazing isn't it?
Magna Ute Fan:7 in a row, 11 out of 12, and 12-3 since Dave Rose
became coach.Onward and Upward!
This is the main reason Utah doesn't play Weber State anymore:December 22, 2011. Weber State 80, Utah 51.
for your information ISU was a last minute replacement over Washington State
who cancelled their contract with BYU after the cougars whipped them last year
,so before you post your hatred get the facts straight the utes scheduled them
2 or 3 yrs ago
Interesting that even an article about why the U won't play other in-state
teams turns into comments about BYU and Utah football. Since at least one Aggie
has replied, I guess at least one Wildcat should chime in.Jason King
of ESPN included the U on his TOP 10 worst non-conference D1 schedules to start
the year. Why does Sorenson think that is OK to have a schedule that bad? Why do
Ute fans justify it with comments about their football schedule? Really,
it's pathetically embarrassing. There are around 350 D1
basketball schools (which seems to be real news to some who have commented here
as they don't all play football) and that is not the Top 10 list you want
to be on.As for Weber, we'd love to play the U, home and away,
just like we did for 35 consecutive years. But traditional basketball games, and
things like the good ole Beehive Boot, have been erased by the king of college
corruption, BCS football.
I don't care what anyone says, I am really excited to see the Utes play Box
Elder again this year.
Sounds to me, from your description, like they made a lot of progress of the
course of the season. Thanks for sharing Duck "hunter"
@magna ute "fan"They also had more losses to teams ranked in
the 200's and a losing record overall. And of course they lost, again, to
BYU. Keep trying to spin it but you are failing.
Jeff 1sYour right the first football game of the year. That is
called pre-season. Not the 10th or 11th game of the season. You know it is
hard to get a game as an independent when you have to play your second to last
game against Idaho State. You might get asked to joing the Big Sky next years.
Good luck with your pre-season....all season long.
You can flap your gums about Utah's schedule all you want. The proof is in
the pudding, Utah had more top 100 rpi wins than both BYU and USU last year.
See, Utah is really important now. They are in the same conference with
Colorado. They are signing second tier players from Utah and losing to someone
might make even that tough. They are probably working on recruiting in
Chicago, Detroit, Philly and Newark. Until academic standards are lowered even
more, these players may not be playing for the Utes. Playing a week schedule is
probably really the best thing to do for the present. It's the big
advantage of being in the PAC, fans will come just to see the PAC=12 logo on the
floor. For the present, it does not matter who they will play. Unfortunately,
playing such games is very common with major conference teams. I don't
think it will change soon.
@Chris BYou forgot top 25 USC. @Two for FlinchingI love
the state tournament idea. I think the point Duckhunter raises though about
guaranteed matchups is what will keep it from happening. @Gone
Fishin"The real problem for the utes is that good programs are NOT
going to put Utah on their schedule because it will lower their sos and will
certainly not play Utah in SLC."This isn't two years ago
(when the depth of their failure was unpredicted by most except for a few like
me who joked that Utah would never cover a spread... took them 9 games to
finally do that), Utah isn't that bad now.
You're right Chris B. You have played some tough teams (how tough? Nobody
knows. No one in the PAC12 really has a signature win outside of league play -
unless you include the farse at ASU when they were given the game by the refs
against Wisconsin.)The problem is that you have only won 4 games all
year.It seems to me that you are more proud of the teams you play
and really don't care about your record. Typical Ute mentality the past
few years.Got you PAC12 flag flying in your front yard today?
Utah's scheduling in basketball is embarrassing. Why they don't play
Utah State and Weber STate is just completely idiotic.Oh well. I
hope the Utes have a good year anyway. They have two chances to be tested
before conference starts--BYU and Boise State. They are all they have on slate
to give us an idea of what we have. The rest of the schedule is a joke.
Cincy-- I have to take issue with your characterization of BYU OOC schedule this
year. Rose has really stepped it up this year so his SOS will not be a question
if looking for an at-large bid. All the sports media has recognized this and we
should probably go their assessment over yours. Playing Iowa St. on Weds should
tell us a lot about this year's Cougars as they just beat a ranked Mich.
Just hoping Haws can play. Pretty sure we could all predict the results if the
two teams were to trade OOC schedules.
@papsmearuteThere is nothing for you to say as far as basketball
between these two schools, so what if utah just happened to keep one game close
with BYU considering BYU has won 7 in a row and 11 of 12 most in beat down curb
stomp fashion. I don't recall you reacting the same way after
utah barely hung on to win a couple of the recent football games against BYU,
and BYU football is far superior to utah basketball as far as what level of a
program it is.The only thing I really want from utah "fans"
is to end the hypocrisy, it probably won't happen but if by some chance you
guys can quit being such hypocrites my personal discourses with you on these
boards would be far more conversational and far less confrontational.
The real problem for the utes is that good programs are NOT going to put Utah on
their schedule because it will lower their sos and will certainly not play Utah
in SLC. If they even wanted to play Utah it they would demand that they play
the utes at home or not at all. BYU only did it because they are local and it
is a tradition. Anyone notice that nearly all of the teams that are
scheduled are either NAIA or Div II schools at home. Coack K is doing the team a
huge disservice with this schedule. The moment the utes come against a good
team they will crumble under the pressure.
Why are football schedules being brought up when the article is about
basketball? Seriously, some people need to move on. Facts are facts. Utah has a
very weak non conference schedule. Yes they play a couple tough teams in
conference play (Oregon, UCLA, and Arizona). The rest of the Pac are good but
not great teams. BYU has a few tough non conference games but nothing mind
blowing. Conference wise, BYU plays a couple tough teams in Gonzaga and St.
Mary's but other than that they are decent but not great.
CougFaninTX,And yet byu fan "Jeff is" is the first person to
bring up Idaho State(football) into the conversation. Try to keep up.
As an Aggie fan, I'm stoked to play the Utes next year. Let's keep it
going for good! Don't be the rundown Utes, be the Runnin' Utes! Rise
to the occasion and compete!
Cougsrock,Kind of like your team did last year at your place against
a much worse Utah team. You barely hung on to win a close game. Yes, you did
beat my UTES, but not in the manner than you all were croaking about last year
after our weak schedule, and bad start. I am fine with playing some
weaker teams in the non conference slate. Boylen wanted a tough schedule and to
bring in great teams, and we all know how that ended up. Build confidence with
this young team, and get them playing well as a unit before PAC 12 conference
play starts. That is the only thing that really matters. Play well in
conference, win 20 games, and try to win the conference tournament. That should
be your goal.BYU's goal should be trying to beat Gonzaga, or St
Mary's in the regular season, and not losing to a very bad San Diego team
in the Church Ball League conferenc tournament. Utah will be fine,
and Coach K is doing a great job, getting some GREAT recruits, and getting back
to recruiting local players. Go Utes!
The local teams are tougher then the Utes. It is sad that the Utes athletic
department seem to have lost their courage to play good local teams in order to
artificially increase the number of wins on their schedule.The move
to the PAC-12 may have been too much for the Utes. Hopefully, this is a
short-term situation, and the Utes' staff are able to develop at least the
amount of courage that their players demonstrate on the field. Good luck Utes!
I wish you well getting an AD that will challenge the players to a higher level,
rather then dumbing down the standards.Go Cougs!
@Chris BThis article is about the Utes basketball schedule not the
The part of the schedule every team has complete control over is OOC. Utah gets
plenty of tough play in the PAC but are they really preparing themselves for
that with this OOC schedule? NOPE! I can see building your team's
confidence or even padding it for the purpose of overall record but it's
basically throwing in the towel on any post season play short of winning the
conference tourney. No team with this schedule will get an at-large bid to
anything. The Utes have had a hard time filling the Huntsman Center (except on
gymnastics nights) so why not get a few more people in the seats with locals
coming to see kids they know play? I believe it boils down to the risk of being
embarrassed in an unforgettable way. Reminder-- this is a Bball article.
There are plenty of people talking football schedules on those article with Utah
playing one win Weber & ISU next season. Both BYU & Utah have had
overall very solid schedules this year. That's a pot meet kettle
conversation but not about Bball.
I think it is awesome what the Utes are doing. When the time comes to play BYU
they will be so poorly prepared for tough competition they won't know what
to do when Haws, Carlino, Collinsworth, Windsor, and Bartley blow by them all
@2ferI like that idea as well but there are some issues that would
need to be worked out. For instance I want to see BYU play utah and usu every
year and in a tournament format there is no guaranty that would happen. The nice
thing about basketball is that there are enough OOC games to accomadate those 3
schools playing each other each year. While I understand the football schedules
may make it hard to do every single year, and I'm ok with that, the
basketball schedules should make sure it happens. But perhaps a way
can be devised that would allow the "all state" tournament and still
guaranty all 3 play each other. I know utah seems to have less of a desire to
play usu these days, not sure why, but at least to this point chris hill and Tom
Holmoe have said they are committed to have utah and BYU play each other every
Jeff Is,For you byu fans that bragged about playing a good Wisconsin
team, that Wisconsin team is the ONLY team currently ranked on your entire
schedule. Meanwhile, Utah has played:Oregon top 10Stanford top
10(and we beat them)Arizona State top 20UCLA top 20So
yes, in talking scheduling, you guys should think before you engage your lips
For you Utah fans that just mentioned the Idaho St. game with BYU I would like
to remind you that your first football game next year is with that same Idaho
St. team. I think you should think before you engage your lips. I did see one
comment that I have been saying for years. The holiday tournament at Energy
Solutions involving USU, Weber St. U of U and BYU. It could be expanded down the
road to a 3 night series of Thur thru Sat. I would schedule it as a donation
tournament for the food bank. The schedule would be unknown and determined by
lottery. You find out who you play and what time Friday morning of the first
game. Games are on Friday and Saturday. It would sell out every year. The Jazz
go on a road trip and the college game takes over the arena.
Obviously you have never coached before. Here we have a program which has
struggled for years. Now a great coach is instilling confidence in a young
team. You don't need to look very far to see a BYU football team who just
played in the 4A Idaho football tournament last week and that is the second to
the last game of the year. Judge not that ye be not judged. Their conference
schedule is brutal and this confidence could prove to help them when January
roles around and BYU is playing UC Irving.
Utah's non-conference hoops schedule looks like BYU's football
schedule with teams like Idaho and Middle Tennessee State. Come to think of it,
it's not that much different from BYU's WCC basketball schedule
either. I had never even heard of the WCC until BYU joined.Yet I
don't see the columnist whining about BYU's weak scedules in every
LeftCoastUte:If all that it takes is a tweet to summarize your non
conference schedule, it's a bigger indictment of the schedule.
I agree that the Utes should play more local teams. It would keep all of the
money "in house" so to speak, and at the very least it would be more
interesting to watch. Since all of the local teams, except SUU and
Weber, are in different conferences it would be fun to set up a Thanksgiving
tournament at ESA between the 8 local teams. Seeds could be based on where the
teams finished ranked last season. 1 BYU vs. 8 Westminster, 4 USU vs. 5 Utah
Valley. Other side of the bracket: 2. WSU vs. 7. DSU, 3. Utah vs. 6 SUU. Three
wins and you're the champ. Second round losers meet in a consolation game
for third place. Little schools get a chance to play against the big boys on a
big stage and the big schools get a chance to boost their resume with some wins
against pretty good teams if they put a couple wins together. Call it the
Beehive Classic. I bet it would make a few bucks for everyone involved.
So, the article boils down to this: "I was understand why Utah
is scheduling weaker teams, but I think they could do that and still make more
of an effort to play local teams. I mentioned this to Chris Hill and Coach K and
they seemed to agree."Barely enough content here for a tweet,
but a heroic effort to stretch it out!
Not everyone has such a wimpy program that they're forced to schedule first
year NAIA basketball programs in order to have any chance at a winning record.
"So why doesn't Utah play these in-state schools?It
basically comes down to being afraid to lose."BINGO!The Utes know that Utah State and Weber State would pulverize the Utes, and
Utah Valley and Southern Utah would be toss-ups.
Ya, and fans other weak coast conference teams made fun of Utah's schedule
last year too and guess what, Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins than both byU and
Usu.So either our schedule wasn't that bad last year(since we
won more top 100 rpi games than byu or usu) or those teams are just totally
inept at ever beating any good teams.The SEC schedules non-AQ
nonconference nobodies in football. And they still have amazingly difficult
schedules.Not everyone has the "luxury" of having
Pepperdine, Pacific, and Santa Clara several timss a year in conference play!LOL