Two boys, ages 12 and 15, dead following shooting in Daybreak home

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  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    This is so similar to the recent tragedy in West Point where two boys died at the hands of their brother. Would be interested in knowing what really happened. We may never know.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 16, 2013 7:03 p.m.


    Maybe gun storage laws combined with legal and criminal liability for "accidents" involving unsecured guns would prompt more people to become more responsible.

    "Gun avoidance programs are designed to educate children as a way of reducing firearm injury (eg, Eddie Eagle, STAR); however, several evaluation studies have demonstrated that such programs do not prevent risk behaviors and may even increase gun handling among children. In contrast, results of a large national randomized controlled trial demonstrated that brief physician counseling directed at parents, combined with distribution of gunlocks, may be effective in promoting safer storage of guns in homes with children. A recent randomized controlled trial found that a safe storage campaign with gun safe distribution was both feasible and effective at limiting household exposure to unlocked and loaded guns."
    (American Academy of Pediatrics)

  • manuretruck St. George, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 6:25 p.m.


    Yeah, and a union of childrens doctors are totally the type of established firearm experts and constitutional scholars we should be turning to for nuanced, effective ideas on gun legislation. Really?

    Also, since your post is misleading, I want to emphasize that the NRA opposes safe storage LAWS, not SAFE STORAGE. Safe storage LAWS will not be effective unless you eliminate the 4th and 5th amendment and allow police to do random, warrantless checks of the homes of gun owners. Only the most blissfully ignorant people actually want this.

    Critical thinking skills help here. Storage laws by themselves are not a solution, the would require massive constitutional violations and infringements in order to be effectively enforced. Without active enforcement, they are just some words in the state law book that people will be free to ignore until such time an accident happens and then the police can charge them with violating it.

    The NRA constantly educates on safe storage, both to adults and to children via the Eddie Eagle firearm safety program, and even occasionally provides shopping discounts on storage equipment through their various partnership programs with dealers.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 16, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Deepest condolences to the families involved.

    American Academy of Pediatrics:
    "The absence of guns from children’s homes and communities is the most reliable and effective measure to prevent firearm-related injuries in children and adolescents. Adolescent suicide risk is strongly associated with firearm availability. Safe gun storage (guns unloaded and locked, ammunition locked separately) reduces children’s risk of injury. Physician counseling of parents about firearm safety appears to be effective, but firearm safety education programs directed at children are ineffective. The American Academy of Pediatrics continues to support a number of specific measures to reduce the de- structive effects of guns in the lives of children and adolescents, including the regulation of the manufacture, sale, purchase, owner- ship, and use of firearms; a ban on semiautomatic assault weapons; and the strongest possible regulations of handguns for civilian use."

    The NRA opposes safe storage laws.

  • rok Boise, CA
    Nov. 16, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    why would they need a warrant to go back into the scene of a crime?

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Nov. 16, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Charge the gun owner with negligent homicide.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    SweetMamaJean --

    Are you saying that the 12-year-old did not live in that home?
    Your child goes to play, and is killed?

    I think all parents need to know more about what goes on in the homes their children visit.
    Are there guns?
    Are they secured?
    Can the children open the gun safe?
    Are guns displayed in the home?

  • mominthetrenches South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Prayers going out to this family...this is every parents' worst nightmare!!! So tragic.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Do you think the readily available gun in the home was used to protect???? When will we learn?

  • SweetMamaJean W Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    This is such a horrible tragedy! The parents of the 12 yr old just left my house after finding out that their youngest child was dead and the grief was so intense that it was almost physical. I ask all of you to pray for this family. Thank you.