We are all forced to pay into the education system. More than 1/2 of our
property taxes are earmarked for the schools, much of which is filled with
illegals children.We are forced to pay for war, if we agree to it or
not.We are forced to pay for abortions if we want to or not.We are forced to be charitable (which seems ironic to me)We
are forced to have car insurance (yet give way to illegals)We are
forced to have elected officials rule over usWe are forced to go to
schoolWe are forced to obey lawsWe are forced into
military serviceWe are forced to pay taxesWe are forced
pay for bicycle lanesThe list goes on and on. I'm leaning
towards it's fine to help babies come into the world. Since our population
is on the decline, and the children are the future, it just makes sense to help
the little guys into the world. Now for people like octomom or welfare women
that have 8 baby dadies, someone needs to cut them off.
If it's society's responsibility to ensure that all women have access
to pregnancy and maternity healthcare then what else is the responsibility of
society? 1. Proper meals and nutrition for pregnant women paid for by our
taxes? 2. Proper meals and nutrition for all infants and toddlers paid for
by our taxes? 3. Proper meals and nutrition for breakfast, lunch, and an
afterschool snack for all Pre-K through 12 students paid for by our taxes? 4. All expenses paid to a vocational school or college for all children paid
for by our taxes? This could easily get to the point where we pay 70% of
our income to the Gov't. But we will have healthy, well educated citizens.
@choreo:"And a women cannot get pregnant with out male sperm. So men
are also responsible for pregnancy!"Getting pregnant costs
little or nothing (maybe just a night on the town dining and dancing).
It's the child birthing nine months later that costs... and men rarely if
ever do that.Not to worry though... Under Obamacare there will be
no insurance policies and no premiums to pay... only taxes. So, who is paying
and for what coverage will become a moot point.
I am pretty sure that most women have health insurance policies that cover
testicular cancer and prostate exams. And that predates the ACA.
While we are discussing what we should or should not pay for with insurance
coverage, let's discuss the "family plan" insurance option.A single individual buys insurance at a rate of "x".A
couple buys insurance at the rate (usually) of "2x" - twice the rate of
a single policy. This could be for a couple or for a single parent with one
child.A family buys insurance at the rate of "2x+y" - a family
policy is usually less than 3x. However, that policy covers the entire family,
whether it is one parent with children or two parents with children - the rate
is the same whether it is three people or ten. The out of pocket is the same
for three people or ten.Now, of course, this is the way insurance
has been for decades and certainly has nothing to do with Obamacare. But if we
are going to start demanding people pay in full for the services they receive
and only the services they receive, insurance for families should be based on
the number of family members. I should not have to pay for you to
insure your six children.
"Is Obamacare's maternity coverage requirement fair?"Too funny!! Of course it's not fair. Insurance is for unexpected
occurrences that COULD happen. Males giving birth will never happen.People use the example of everyone pays taxes for roads even though a person
might not own a vehicle. Yes, but that person might use the road as a passenger
or perhaps eventually buy a car and drive it on the road.Buying
'insurance' for something that will NEVER happen is not
'insurance.' It's inane stupidity.
Yes, I am truly greatful at sixty to have maternity coverage. I can now sleep
is any part of Obamacare Fair? The whole thing is designed to ruin our health
care system and make the only option the SINGLE PAYER program, the only option
at all. I do not want the GOVT to have any more control over my personal life
and health care than we have to. I will fight it all the way. It is not fair,
it is not legal, but it passed in the middle of the night and it is terrible.
Chauncey: I'm sick and tired of havin' to pay for wimmen's
pregnancies. I'll never be pregnant. Edgar: Well, wimmen ain't
ever gonna have prostate cancer, but you might. Why should they pay for you?Chauncey: Well, now, that's differnt. I'm a man.
Yes, it's fair. Solidarity. It's the way it's done in all other
civilized countries. No mother should worry about affordable maternity care.
RE: Morrissey . . "People who rent pay no taxes for education". What?
Time for economics 101. As a landlord I can assure you that every single one of
my renters pays property taxes. It's built into their rent, just like
trash service and water.As for those posters who feel put upon
because they do not have children I'd ask who is going to defend the
country, pay into your social security, become police men and women or doctors.
Certainly not you children as you do not contribute any.The idea
that people should only pay for services that have a direct impact on their
lives is greedy, shortsighted and goes against the sense of community that built
Being "fair" has little to do with Obamacare.Obamacare is
ONLY about control.You have it - HE wants it!
the so-called party of "choice" has now turned to the party of
Fair? Of course it's fair. What 55 year old man doesn't need
maternity? I mean come on people.
None of humanity's great achievements was for the benefit of one person. We
survived because we learned to work together for common benefit, and we can do
it again. Single payer health care is the way to go.
Michael J is correct. This ala carte, I built it myself, I am an Island and I
want coverage specialized down to my DNA only, group of people are completely
blind to what made this nation great. It wasn't petty bickering about self
reliance and how to be a self sustaining entity in a vacuum. It was what we did
as a society. I know there are a lot of Ayn Rand Adherents on the right, but
"The virtue of selfishness" should not be a guidebook for civilized
society.The U.S. comes together on momentous projects that may not
benefit every person, but help society as a whole, from the land giveaways
during the homestead act, to the huge dams on the Colorado river, to super site
clean-up's, to protect us from foreign invaders. This healthcare project is
a worthy endeavor, and is no where near perfect, but I'm sure no one
thought we'd still be in Iraq 10 years later. It will be worth
it to free our citizens of the shackles of the healthcare industry in this
It's a transfer of wealth. Obama loves it. To him it's the holy grail.
Seriously society we are having a debate like this. If that is the case then
should we be debating public education, transportation, national parks, military
spending, etc. etc. There is plenty of spending that favors one segment of
society but not another. We are community are divergent needs and opportunities
that needs to allocate resources. Childbirth, like education, seems to be one
of those fundamental priorities that should be high on the list.
I would liken paying for maternity care the same as paying for education as a
part of our property taxes.Everyone pays and everyone benefits with the
Women of child bearing age should have maternity coverage, whether they plan on
having children or not. Half of all pregnancies are unplanned, contraceptives
aren't 100% effective. A friend of mine, self-employed had health
insurance but no maternity coverage. She (married) consistently used birth
control pills to prevent pregnancy but got pregnant when she had to go on
antibiotics for bronchitis. The antibiotics reduced the effectiveness of the
pills.Why should insurance companies charge men more just because
they have maternity coverage? Obviously they won't be using it--unless
they are married and they have a family policy.Re:morrisseyI
understand your thinking, but it is short-sighted. Even though you don't
have children, one day you will be seeing someone's well-educated
"child" when you need to see a Dr. Your quality of life is going to be
better if the children are well-educated and citizens are healthy. How can anyone be worse than Bush--who left the economy in shambles and spent
nearly a trillion on a pointless war?
[Knock at the door; you open the door and see a young man and a uniformed
officer behind him]Hello.Yes, I'm working my way
through college and am selling this $30 coupon book valued at over $1,000. It
provides you with discounts on car tires, lawn mowing, restaurants, flight
lessons, high school football tickets, lawyer's services, contraceptives,
and on and on.Well, I'd be honored and happy to help you get
through school. I salute your vigor. But I don't have a car (I ride a
bike), as you could probably see I have xeriscape landscaping (no lawn), I eat
at my sister's across the street, I'm afraid of flying, I don't
like football, I am a lawyer, my wife died (so I don't need
contraceptives), and on and on.But you'd be helping me pay for
my education. And others who do use those services will benefit from your
donation.No thank you.[You begin to close the door. The
officer behind the young man puts his foot in the doorway to stop the door from
closing and puts his hand on his holstered weapon.]How much was that
Is it fair that women should pay for prostate cancer coverage? And a women
cannot get pregnant with out male sperm. So men are also responsible for
I chose not to have children. I don't see any sanity in my being forced to
pay for those who get pregnant. Its is bad and unfair enough that those of us
who have never had children and own property have to pay taxes for the education
of others. People who rent pay no taxes for education and even get tax credits
just because they have children, isn't that enough. If Obama wants
everyone to have maternity coverage the he should pay for it. Lord knows he is
spending BILLIONS all across the world without a care in the world because its
not his money. Why doesn't he keep some of that money home and feed the
poor or fix the crud that is wrong on our social fronts instead of supporting
other countries with their problems.. He may just go down in history as the
most inept President we have ever had, and that is really going some after
Bush.I am sorry and ashamed to say that I voted for him.
Why are people who have never paid more than a $25 copay in there early years
complaining that now that they're done having a family they have to pay for
something they don't need anymore? I wish paying for maternity had been an
option for my family, but being self employed there aren't any plans that
offer it. $10,000 is what it would cost even though I pay as much or more for
insurance than most. There's a lot to work out with the new system but the
old one was bad and no one dared touch it - insurance companies knew this which
made it worse every year.