UHSAA acknowledges blown call in East-Olympus semifinal game

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  • GO HOME provo , UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    There is always a winner and a loser in sports East Won & Olympus lost. Hope to see them play again next year. Everyone should quit complaining and GO HOME!!!

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    The problem is, who can question the refs?
    The fans? They will be ignored or threatened with expulsion.
    The players? They will receive penalties, possibly ejected, even unable to play again.
    The Coach? He will also have his team get penalties and be ejected and I have even seen the police called on a coach for questioning the ref.
    The refs are Gods of the game and they have all power to decide who wins and who looses. Sometimes it seems like they had made the choice of who would win and who would loose before the game even started.

    Has anyone ever, ever heard of a ref disciplined for bad calls? Even after a game or match?

    We know they can't see everything gong on in a game. As fans and family of the teams, aren't the rules there to protect the players and to make the game as fair as possible? We want them to study their rule books. We want them to either call "holding" or just take that rule out of the books, either way call it fair and learn the rules of the game.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 2:36 a.m.

    First of all what a ridiculous rule that would reward a team that screws up on catching a punt by giving them the ball on the 20 yard line.
    Second of all East ended up destroying olympus anyway. You can say what if all day long. Olympus played hard but were never threatening to win when it counts in the 4th quarter.

  • Sorryboutdat south jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    I don't think the refs want East to win. East took control in the second half to get the 26 point win. I understand momentum but good teams don't fold up and lose by 3 more td's.Olympus is a good team they were just outmatched by a better team in the second half. The better team won let's not dwell on one human error.

  • amanap Washington, ut
    Nov. 15, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    I've never understood the argument "get out of the stands and you come referee!" If your tax guy messed up your taxes would he respond with "well go get trained and do it yourself"? If it's your job to know the rules and call the game and you get paid for it it is your responsibility, not the guy in the stands that calls you on it. There is almost never any accountability by referees. My two cents.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 6:47 p.m.

    It doesn't matter if the officials are well meaning or egotistical jerks. They MISAPPLIED a rule and the impacted the game directly through seven points (and I will say beyond that). The game should have been or should be replayed from the point of misapplication. Let the best team win from there...

  • rmptqs Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    Big J, you do have a point, I'd probably say 12-13 vs 11. There are good, honest refs. They shouldn't have overturned the refs call, but they were looking close at Logan and not at Bountiful. If they really cleaned it up, Logan, East, and Timpview will all be out and it would end up being something like WX and Oly.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 2:23 p.m.


    Really? You think the UHSSA has an agenda of who should win state championships and tells the officials to call games to promote that agenda? Really?

    The games are played to find out who will win on a given day. I would suspect most people other than East supporters would have preferred and Olympus upset.

    There were no "questionable" calls. One was a mistake and the other was correct. The Nelson kid should have been ejected. He did kick the Bountiful player in the face mask and it was no "pain" reaction.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    This was an unfortunate play and call and it all started with a player not fielding the punt. It can be debated the outcome to the game would have or would not have been different. Who knows? It did seem to me the bigger East team wore out Olympus as the game went on.

    There are many very good officials in Utah. The good ones work playoff games. Officials usually know the rules better than others because they have at least read the rule book once.

    The crew assigned to this game, are all very good officials. Officiating is not easy. It takes hours of work, study and years of practice to become good. Most officials have regular jobs. Officiating sports takes time away from their families and other activities. True, coaches and players spend more time preparing for their games, but you would be surprised how much time officials put in to get the calls right. And they do, most of the time. I am sure this crew feels horrible about the mistake.

    Whether you like their calls or not, next time you see an official after a game thank them for making the game possible.

  • rmptqs Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    It is interesting that the two questionable calls that were big enough to make the news both made things easier for East. Oly wasn't dominating, but they kept hanging with them. Enough to get an East supporter worried. Theres a good chance that after Timp pulls ahead we'll start seeing calls to keep East in the game. It's too bad cause Logan would have worked East and beat T-view by 7-14. It'll be tough for Timp playing 16 vs 11.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Re Flashback

    You sound like an official! I agree officiating is hard. I agree they are human and thus make mistakes. I am also a coach (human and makes mistakes). Officials always use the "we're only human card" when they 'get caught' in a big mistake. It is in the 'heat of the game/moment" they are usually arrogant and "perfect" in their judgements. Just ask them!

    Momentum can swing quickly with high school kids. As far as the 2 pick 6 interceptions, Olympus would have adjusted thier game plan based upon the score of the game. You pass more when trailing, verses having lead or tied.

    If I can't say the call made a difference, you can't say it didn't.

    Also, I know the rules on this particular play. It was called correctly in a game last year. Had the officials got it wrong in that game, we'd have scored a TD ourselves. It's a more common rule than people think. There are many unique HS rules.

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    That was a HUGE play! 14-14 and Oly was hanging with East. That game goes into half at 14-14, or who knows the way Oly was moving the ball if they wouldn't have got some points before half? Huge momentum swing right there. I'm totally fine with an official missing a call. I'm not fine when they don't even know the rules!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    In college that play would have resulted in a touchdown. This was nothing more than a cross polination over conflicting rules.

    This type of play doesn't happen that often. All you armchair referees out there ought to get out on the field and experience it for yourselves. The referee association is always looking good people.

    I'm sure that the two pick 6 interceptions did nothing to help East's cause, eh? Sadly, Olympus was overmatched but they played their hearts out.

    Blaming the refs when so much other stuff happens that has a bearing on the outcome of the game is just plain dumb.

    Both Boo ya and why play sound like they know more than the officials. My suggestion to them is to don the stripes and get for fannies out there and put up or shut up.

    That crew was a crew of superstars in the reffing world. all very well respected. They have all done many playoff and championship games with nary a glitch.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    There are blown "judgment" calls and then there are "misapplication of the rules." There is a critical difference and the latter can be protested causing a replay of the game from the point of misapplication. I know in baseball, as a coach I won a protest in an American Legion game years ago which required the replaying of the game from the point the rule was misapplied. Olympus can argue the same. Perhaps East is the better team but the problems is that the score granted changed the momentum of the game in East's favor. You can't just look at the end result say the call didn't matter. BTW--We were down two runs in our game at the time of the misapplication. We ended up winning by five runs. I think Olympus should be granted this opportunity. Put the teams back on the field on Monday especially if an official protest was done in the correct manner. End of story...

    P.S. The UHSAA is a spineless organization so I doubt they will actually enforce the rules of the game.

  • why play SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    @Boo Ya-

    Send $7 to the USHAA and they will send you a rule book. I realize you want instant access, but it's not that hard to get the rules if you want them. The best thing about having the book is you can have it with you on the sideline, when it really matters.

    To say this isn't news worthy is a true lack of understanding of high school football. Momentum is everything! Let's say Olympus gets the ball on the 20, goes and scores a touchdown. They go into halftime up 7, not down 7. If my math is correct, that's a 14 point swing. Not saying the outcome would have been different, just saying there are things that could have happened that didn't due to the blown call.

    The real problem is the lack of qualified officials. There is a shortage of officials which makes it so the USHAA is forced to used what they can get. I just wish all the "experts" in the stands that are constantly criticizing coaches, players and officials would get certified as an official and get on the field, then there would never be any blown calls!

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 15, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Seeing as how the the USHAA allowed the refs to be the largest factor in determining who would play in this game, it is not surprising that they do not even know the basic rules involving a touchback.

    These high school kids work pretty hard to be field good teams. Unfortunately, the USHAA and some of these referees do not come close to matching this effort.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 8:46 a.m.


    The score is not indicative of how important that muffed punt was. Were you at the game?

    I think a part of this article was to be transparent about mistakes, and be educational. I think most people did not know this rule. We point out plenty of mistakes of players and coaches, why not referees.

    That said, I think you can rarely place the blame on officials as players and teams can generally, not always, have done something different to affect the outcome of a game. Olympus didn't respond well to the TD. But, to say that it's a non-story is just being uninformed.

  • Boo Ya!!! Richfield, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Here's one for ya!!!

    WHY in the world can you not find the rulebook online. With EVERYTHING available online, you can only find it "to buy."

    Maybe I need to look harder, but if anybody can show me a link to a rulebook, I would be grateful.

    I've argued with ref's numerous times and have been dumbfounded that some know as little as they do.

    I also love when after the fact they say "oh yea" like it was some distant memory.

    SHOW me a link!!!

  • sinkme Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    How is explaining the proper rules of a game that many watch or at least follow in some form, not newsworthy? It's also newsworthy to know that the crew (despite the poor pay but that's another story) was reprimanded. I am sure everyone can agree that when our child steps out onto the field/court/whatever, we want to know that the people officiating the game are properly trained and supervised. If not, the play ground awaits them.

  • bulldog72 Holladay, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    I think that this was a huge deal actually. Momentum plays a significant role when you are talking about high school kids, and that was a huge momentum swing. Who is to say that Oly does not catch East in something and make a big play on that possession, and plays with a ton of confidence the rest of the game. High school kids can be awful susceptible to momentum swings like that, especially when they are the underdog. Inexcusable officiating in a state semifinal game

  • TruthBTold SLC, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    I second the comment of @Eagle78.

    Whether it was a mistake on the muffed punt or some other judgement call during the game for a Hold or pass interference, or whatever, calls are made every game that at least half the attendees will disagree with. Look at Randy Hollis' article and the comments by the players and Coach Whitehead, the team acknowledges that they made mistakes too, but that does not diminish at all the great things that the Olympus Titans team accomplished.

    With a score like this, I'm not even sure why this even newsworthy.

    Based on his previous erroneous rules knowledge on the correct call made by the officials in the Logan v. Bountiful game, and extended coverage of the Logan HS coach and family-friend doctor's bogus comments, it appears that this particular DN writer has it out for pittance-earning High School Football officials, otherwise he would give equal coverage to all the calls they got right.

    Time to move on and find something that's newsworthy to write about.

  • TheOfficalCall Provo, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    Any kick which ends in the end zone un-possessed by the receiving team, like what the the UHSAA and article said, results in a touch back. Receivers ball on the 20 Yd line. There are some rules about new-force but not sure those apply here. Like it was stated it was a blown call.

    Yes East won the game, I DVR'd but haven't watched it but, I understand it was 14-14 at the time and East punted the ball with less than 2 minutes. I am sure Oly's phychie was a little shaken by the 7pt swing.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    I can see how the ref's screwed that up. Not knowing the rules, I would think you treat the muff like a fumble. I learned something new today.

  • InterestedObserver Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 9:14 p.m.

    5 of the so-called best and not one of them can get it right.

    Maybe it was one of those didn't pass all the requirements to officiate post season but still got the game because he is one of the so-called best.

    sad and game changer.

    Much like the 2A final last year when the White hat an inadvertent whistle on a Change of Possession fumble.

  • Eagle78 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    If this had been the difference between a win or loss for Olympus I could see making a huge deal out of it. As it is though it wasn't going to change the outcome. East won with or without the blown call. Also, you ask any fan and the refs make "blown calls" every game! :)

    You can file this under "it happens" I think.