Bountiful UT is 100% right. He explained it just like it was meant. Now I have
heard talk that there was a lot of money going around 24 Hr. before it went on
line. We all know there many that did not want this to work. I think thousands
were told to go on line A.S.A.P. and crash the sight. Not intending to buy any
Ins. at all. My question is could this be possible???
atl134"Having a junk policy that is cheap but doesn't
really cover anything when you get sick is not a good thing. That's why
Obamacare banned it."There you go again. You and Obama thinks
that those policies are not good. And of course liberals always think they know
best. How about those who have those policies and like them make their own
choice instead of a proven liar and his minions decide for them.
@Zac"Instead it is hurting 5% that did have insurance."Having a junk policy that is cheap but doesn't really cover anything when
you get sick is not a good thing. That's why Obamacare banned it. The
policies that had everything except maternity care or one of the required things
on the list, those people can get a similar plan on the exchanges for comparable
cost at worst, particularly when the subsidies are factored in. Very few are
actually hurting, it's just a lot of people are scared of change,
especially when there's a group of politicians and talk radio hosts telling
them this is going to be some great disaster.
You say that states where leaders do not choose to expand coverage eligibility
would leave the available federal funds on the table, which makes since but
lawmakers and others have questioned whether the state should make a decision
hinging on uncertain federal funds. What is uncertain about the federal funds.
As the law is written the feds would foot the bill for 90% from then on.
First the governor says the biggest problem is with the economic impact. The
uncertainty of what the Affordable Care Act is doing to the private sector is a
big concern. Then he says he is still considering whether to expand Medicaid
coverage in Utah. Doesn't this just add to the the uncertainty. I often
hear how the admin had 3 years to get this right then I hear republican leaders
who across the board have done things like this to hold it up. You can't
complain that dinner is late if you are the one who refuses to let the stove be
turned on. I will listen to legitimate criticism but only from those who are the
cause of the problem or who have shown that no matter what they don't want
this to work.
Obama does not give a twit about those who have lost their insurance. What Obama
always cares about is Obama. This was purely political and has nothing to do
with fixing Brackobamacare. What he is avoiding is the congressional Democrats
lining up with Republicans and voting to gut this fiasco. That would wound him
legacy wise to have it said even his own party went against him. It is delayed
until after the election. You guess why.This bomb is only defused for now. It
will go off again when the employer mandates kick in and again when this private
policy matter goes off again. He just needed cover right now. He will blamed it
all on the insurance companies. For a fact this was all in the plan Obama who is
a pure narcassist just didn't think he would lose control of the Dems.
Thank you Bill Clinton. We have elected a fraud but most of us knew that.
I remember one of the talking points about Obamacare, before it was voted on to
see what actually in it, was that it was supposed to help the 5% that did not
have insurance. Instead it is hurting 5% that did have insurance.
The problem with the website is that the law isn't doable and insurance
companies already knew that with their finite and infinite calculations on death
and health statistics for decades. They are just grateful to have the
government to blame for the demise of the ACA and forced marching orders for all
involved. Insurance commissioners are involved as Kathleen Sebilius is and to
have to work off the game plan of pass it and then read it is not a plan for
success, even if there is supposedly a process.The software
programmers and analysts along with the government and government contractors
and supervisors subverted the validation processes during the past couple of
years writing code and trying to figure out what vetting should have done.If there was logic to the ACA then it could have been done by third
graders and an IPAD. However, there is no logic to made up numbers and
processes. This ACA should never have been fast tracked, especially without
going through the formal processes. When Senator Reid held Senators in the
Chambers on vacation days should have sent a message to vote out those people
the next 3 elections. Life goes on.
@A1994" Is that not a large number?"According to this
article, changes affecting around 5% of Utahns (pretty consistent rate state to
state) is quote "little impact". So... you can have it one of two ways,
I don't really care which, just be consistent. Either a large number of
Americans were affected and a large number of Utahn's will be impacted
positively by the change. Or, a small percentage of Americans were affected and
a small number of Utahn's will be impacted positively. Pick one of those
You can't have an aspect of the economy at 16% and not have an impact on
Utahns. Utah residents have assets, family and relatives in every state of the
Union. This risk with the ACA was not properly run through the courses of
public hearings and honest vetting. Vote and then read the ACA is what the
leaders told their Congressional and Senatorial elected officers. This debacle is from a President who hasn't led anything in his life. He
has advisers and consultants making his decisions for him and leading us down a
path that is known, through dishonesty and deceit. We have a way to
go back up the hill of integrity. To see the look on the President's face
is what happens when you are not with our country's citizens. He has done
similar actions with other nations and their leaders. Those nations
haven't pulled him on the carpet but the NSA, IRS, and now the Healthcare
reversal have all shown that our nation has gone down in 5 years.Insurance commissioners/companies are not far behind in this process of making
money going up or down the ACA chain. People lose.
It is easier to find a dodo bird as a pet than find consistency between states
and federal roll out or weather it means the end of the world as we know it or
sick people become healthy (healthier) and save this country--the economy
@A1994you conveniently miss represent the point the point is not that
those 15,000,000 do not matter. Tthe point is that the article is misleading in
that they claim only 5-7% of Utahans are going to be helped by the law but leave
out that only 5-7% were being effected. Let me but it in the form of a question
maybe that will help, if only 5 percent is effected why would a change effect
@atl134"Well yeah, only 5% of Americans were even affected by
the "keep your insurance" matter..."That's
15,000,000 people. Is that not a large number? And this is just the first
month. atl134, do you really think that this is the only 'bump in the
road' we face? Remember that Obama delayed the employer mandate for a
year. This has the potential to get so much worse.
Well yeah, only 5% of Americans were even affected by the "keep your
insurance" matter so the "fix" was never going to help all that
many. That's true for Utah, and California, and every other state.
It's not a red vs blue state though of course that didn't stop a lie
about that from being posted here in the comments already.
today's press conference had little impact on anything - just a one year
delay of the policy cancellation pain. I think people in this country - even
many liberals now - have expectation levels at near zero from Barack. Recent
polling shows nearly 60% believe he lied about his "you can keep your
insurance" promise and his credibility is essentially gone. I think after
this round of lies he was caught in even his personal likeability is now tanking
as well. The man is arrogant and self serving. Recall when he spoke about the
roll out not working a week ago to one of his Obama zombie crowds he first said
he was angry because it hurt "HIS" legacy ...then he corrected himself
and said it was hurting people all across America who were getting cancellation
notices. The man is a legend in his own mind and couldn't really care less
about the rest of us. Time you get it people.
Obama's "solutions" are basically the same as telling Bowing they
can sell DC-3 airplanes again, even though the line was shut down, and all the
subcontractors switched to making other things. Three years ago insurance
companies were told to stop offering most policies and they obediently shut down
their lines and terminated contracts with suppliers.It may sound
good in the world of government bureaucrats, but they simply do not understand
the complexities of making a product or service with contractual agreements with
doctors and hospitals and approval from state regulators and recalculation of
all the costs involved, plus verifying that nothing in the product or service
conflicts with federal law or the hundreds of thousands of pages of oversight
regulations from HHS, EPA, DHS, IRS, etc.Obama just does not
understand how business works, or is deliberately making more promised he know
will not be kept. Of course, this is all done by Obama to (a)
demonize the free enterprise system; (b) set up our health care system for
failure and especially (c) set the foundation for government run single payer
takeover of health care in the U.S.Obamacare- it's enough to
make anyone sick.
Improving the website STILL doesn't solve the basic problem with Obamacare.
Namely, that too many people will be having to pay much higher premiums (and
deductibles)than they had BEFORE the disaster called Obamacare was passed.Then there's the issue of WHO pay the subsidies! The
"subsidies" have to come from somewhere and the people WILL revolt even
worse than they are now when they realize how much Obamacare is driving up the
national debt. Especially those 120 million that "liked" their
insurance coverage just fine - until the government started messing with it.
Well, we passed the bill so we could find out what was in it. (Nancy Pelosi was
so wise.)@10CCI salute you sir/ma'am (whichever you
are.) You are like a good sailor who is loyal to his/her ship even as the waves
are lapping at the lower decks. This healthcare debacle goes WAY beyond website
problems. The bill causes immense disruptions to the healthcare industry. The
biggest problem we are going to face is the coming doctor shortage. And,
unfortunately, Obama is also on tape saying you can keep your doctor. I think despite the futile efforts of Mitt Romney, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and a
whole slew of conservatives, this law is going to kill itself. Who knew that
the key to stopping this disaster was to let it unfold? It had it's own
self-destruct mechanism built in.
A point of reference on the healthcare.gov website problems:A
colleague knows some top-flight engineers at Google who've been asked to
help solve the ACA website problems. They said some of the issues are pretty
difficult, because in most websites you start with a lower level of traffic and
then ramp up the resources to handle a growing load.With this
website, the demand is very, very high upfront, with complex transactions and
complicated computing, which is difficult to simulate and adjust to at high
loads, and then it will diminish pretty dramatically over time. They could have
overbuilt the site, then be accused of waste.The website will be
improved, but it's not a trivial task.
Utah is red state, Obama only cares about Blue states- don't ya know that