I don't know about the NCAA but that mustache has got to be a violation of
the honor code!!!
Using the Portugease Scoring tables. This Runners recent 2:16 Marathon in
Chicago translates to about 29:10 10KM track time. I too wait with bated breath
to see how the BYU X-C team does in Regionals and Nationals. Only in my dreams
and even then, running down hill could I run that fast... LOL
JonA is lost in space. First all races are competitive. At practice your
competitive with everyone else. You organize a run to benefit cancer, still
competitive. You run with friends at Halloween, still competitive. Why are
golfers who play in the off season sanctioned? They go play a round of 18, for
fun? Certainly they don't want to beat the other's do they?
Isn't this the fundamental problem with the NCAA. Rules are imposed that
need interpretation, and they can't apply common sense, unless your Ohio
State, then they bench the Star QB not in the season he is caught, but the next
year, (Don't want to ruin the opportunity to make lots of $$ for the bowl
game.) and give the poor boy a chance to go pro.
BYU needs to be the leader it claims to be either the NCAA needs a serious
restructure or man up and get out, the PAC 12 should do the same thing. The
NCAA is nothing more than professional wrestling. Only interested in the money.
Just makes you wonder when the NCAA will get it right the first time!
kayesvillecougar is right. As a point of comparison, if a restaurant or retailer
I do business with makes a mistake, I will happily give them a chance to correct
it. If they respond poorly once, I'm appealing to management. If management
fails to respond, I'm getting nasty, ending my relationship with them and
telling others to do the same. There are no third chances. This
runner had no recourse but to go to them hat in hand a third time. Yes, the NCAA
"got it right," but I don't give them much credit because it took
three appeals. I always thought that it would only be fair if NCAA decision
makers were to be suspended or fired if they make poor decisions. After all,
that's what they're doing to athletes.
I get what you're saying Jon A. but the NCAA was given 2 appeals to
reconsider. This was a no brainer decision and I find it offensive to see them
buckle to pressure instead of doing what was right in the first place - let him
run. They've lost so much crediblitiy because of the slaps on the wrist for
the major violations i.e. Ohio State football.
I have followed the cross country team all year and had high expectations for
this team before this. It's going to be a major boost to the team and it
moves BYU up in potential. Arizona is a tough team, they have two very good
runners but at the PAC 12 championships their third, fourth and fifth runners
were not as bunched with their leaders as BYU's team had at the WCC
championships. Times can't be compared on the courses but BYU's
leaders were well bunched close to the front with their leader. Regionals will
be a great test to see if BYU can take the National title this year. I think
they can. Go Cougars.
I wonder why the liberal controlled NCAA would target LDS players while looking
the other way when other athletes have much more serious infractions? These
families will probably get their taxes audit too.
If the NCAA keeps making bone headed decisions, all sports will continue to move
away from the NCAA as a governing body, like they have in football. The BCS,
soon to be playoff committee, media, and a few conference presidents and school
ADs already have more power and control over football than the NCAA. Hope they
get some common sense.
Also, let's not rag on the NCAA too much here. Yeah they make lame
decisions all the time, especially in regards to the "money-sports", but
this rule that Ward violated is in place for a very good reason. If not for this
rule several East Africans (Kenyans and Ethiopians) could compete competitively
until they are 24-25 years old and then come to the US and be a freshman in NCAA
track and cross country, obliterating young American runners.The
NCAA should not be ridiculed for properly ruling Ward ineligible. It was the
correct decision technically. Once more of the story comes out it makes sense to
let this one slide and in the end they did. So, let it go and quit ragging on
NCAA for actually getting something right (for once) and then later getting it
right again in light of further communication. Also I believe
leniancy is correct in this situation since Ward self-reported the violation. I
always think self-reported infractions should be judged more lightly.
The race wasn't as non-competitive as the article and Jared Ward make it
sound. He barely won the race with a few other runners just seconds behind him.
He also ran a fast time for such a hilly, difficult course. It was a competitive
race, even if not all the participants took it seriously.With that
being said, he didn't know he was breaking the rules. NCAA ruled correctly
by declaring him ineligible, but made the "reasonable" decision to
re-instate him. Technically, he should not be able to compete, but we all know
that he wasn't trying to break rules and get a competitive edge. So, in
other words spirit of the law prevailed over letter of the law. Good luck to him
and BYU at Regionals and Nationals.
The key to these cases has been the NCAA's blind interpretation of an
otherwise straightforward rule that prohibits participation in organized
activities that give an athlete not in school a "competitive advantage"
over athletes in school. In each case mentioned, public exposure and
outcry over the fact that each activity (rag-tag football on a military base,
rag-tag church ball and a fun run) in no way gave one a "competitive
advantage" was the only way to force the NCAA mandarins to see reason. It's some small comfort that sports reporters can occasionally keep
the NCAA honest. But for each such occasion there is a counter. Public revulsion
over Ohio State's bowl participation a few years ago and Johnny
Football's autographs took a back seat to $$$.
Brother Ben would have us do away all together with any "Appeals
Process" because everything is black and white with no shades of gray. The
NCAA did have a backbone and made their arbitrary and capricious decision. It
was only when that decision was viewed in the light of day that one could see
how ridiculous it was and totally inappropriate. There is a system of
government that operates in the same way, and of which we ought to be weary, and
that is communism.
Brother Benjamin FranklinThanks for your input; I'm absolutely
positive that your opinion would have been just the opposite if this had been a
Utah athlete.It's nice to know that you always follow the
rules, no matter how silly they may be.
This is a shame. The NCAA apparently lacks the backbone to send a proper
message to athletes who are not keeping the rules. One day in the
near future we are going to look back on these sorts of things with regret
because we thought we were doing the right things.
Brave Sir Robin"Common sense prevails, which is not common when
it comes to the NCAA."The NCAA seriously needs a
"smell-test-o-meter" to run all of their decisions through before
announcing them publicly, or at least assemble a panel of 1st graders to act as
a focus group.
It bothers me that the NCAA only seems to make these reversal decisions after
media attention and public pressure.
Somebody needs to sue the NCAA for unequal enforcement of their policies.Johnny Football sells autographs for thousands and has to sit out for half a
game.A returned Mormon Missionary runs in a single "fun run" and
has to sit out almost an entire season.I hope some attorneys are
The NCAA denied two previous appeals and only reversed itself when public
opinion and criticism demanded it. The NCAA has serious credibility
problems. They're like mall cops pretending they can bully patrons....
until they get called out for their bad behavior.
Common sense prevails, which is not common when it comes to the NCAA.
Great news. I haven't followed CC closely this season. Is BYU ranked #5
without Ward? Does that mean this is the strongest BYU squad we've ever
It is great that this decision was reversed. As the articles have stated over
and over again. He didnt gain any advantage by running in a small 5k race. We got to hear Jared speak to our cross country team this summer at our high
altitude camp. he is a great guy with high hopes for the end of this season. It
will be exciting to see how BYU finishes in Region and the nation with the added
addition of Jared on the team.
Correct decision - to reverse the sanction.Gotta love an
organization with so much power, dontcha. (any @ UHSAA listening?)