there are many, many reports about the portugal experiment.every single report
says the same thing. portugal's total decriminalization works and does away
with unfair and unjust laws against people's right to personal
freedom and liberty.it's only logical, rational thinking. just like
making alcoholics criminals. unjust, unconstitutional. and made criminals out
of citizens wanting power over their own choices, alcohol/drugs. the drug
law is a lie, a deception to force bondage on the usa. the law does not
make us safer, just the opposite. it creates a black market and criminal
enterprise while instituting an unlawful monopoly for
pharmacies/doctors/hospitals.monopolies are unconstitutional because of
their unfair power over individual citizens forced into an unwritten
contract. (unjust enhancement; look it up).go to google look up
portugal's drug experiment for yourselves. high school kids drug use
dropped to 25-28% where just like usa kids tried drugs over 50%.do we love
our children more than status quo? self-controlled, self regulating,
un-constitutional entity.created by "controlled substance
acts/laws".'prescription medicine' is a morality law.
morality laws are un-constitutional. not to be confused with criminal
laws, which are constitutional.
I have seen what marijuana did to one of my family members, and for that reason
I will be forever against legalization of marijuana. It may not be as deadly as
some of the other drugs out there, but it certainly changes behavior.I also don't agree with the logic here. DWIs cause a ton of deaths each
year, so lets make marijuana legal, so that MORE deaths can be caused by DWIs?
Drug cartels are making money off it so lets turn our government into a drug
cartel? And which "petty crimes" are you talking about. Growth?
Distribution? I am of the belief that growing and selling mind-altering drugs is
pretty heinous, especially when a lot of those buying marijuana are
teenagers.You say yourself that you don't use marijuana, and
yet you are okay with it being available, legally, for anyone to buy? Because
once it's legal, it won't just be the burn outs and losers who use,
everyone will think it is a good idea. I personally don't think selling out
our society for a few tax dollars is worth it.
Weed can't be legalized, there is too much money in prohibiting it. In
2010 there were about 870,000 people arrested, tried, incarcerated and fined for
the possession and use of the devil's weed. Think of all the jobs that
created and of the benefits of "private prisons."The only
way weed will become legal or at least decriminalized is if the financial
benefit exceeds the financial benefits of making it illegal.
@Anti Bush-Obama:"But Obama nor anybody on the Republican side of
things seems to want to make this a reality."That's too
bad. Obama and his Democrat hordes could garnish additional millions of new
democrat votes by legalizing the stuff. In fact, he doesn't even have to
get the US Congress to act... just call off his hunting dogs and issue Executive
Orders much like he's done with illegal immigrants.
@airnaut:"8% of Americans smoked pot at least once in the last 30
days."Well, we know for sure that at least two United States
presidents admittedly did... and worse. Unfortunately, it seemed to affect
their critical thinking capacities.
@Anti Bush-Obama:"Don't legalize Marijuana which is less harmful
than cigarettes and impossible to overdose on. But legalize psychotropic drugs
which are addictive and deadly if abused.? Yeah that makes a lot of
sense."I say, legalize it all... just don't issue driver
licenses to users. And if they're caught driving, throw them in jail for,
say, ten years as punishment.
@liberal larry:After all, a lot people claimed that legalizing gay
marriage would usher in the demise of straight unions..."They
didn't say it would be the demise of straight unions... They said it would
be the demise of the institution of marriage, altogether.Gay
marriages will eventually open the door to all kinds of marriage arrangements
from polygamy to incest and adult/child. There'd be no reason to not allow
any combination that can be conjured... else discrimination could be charged....
the same discrimination now felt by homosexuals unable to marry.
Isn't that the truth one vote? Some of the most virulent defenders of
liberty and freedom (or at least their idea of it) and small government do not
hesitate for one second before championing the absolutely huge monstrosity of
government that it takes to maintain the war on drugs: the drug court system,
the police dedicated to the war on drugs, the raids in the middle of the night,
the undercover operations, the DEA, the Federal intrusion into states rights,
the massive prison system to house drug offenders, the parole system to deal
with them after release.And this failed system is supported a
hundred percent by the very conservatives that call for small unobtrusive
government and freedom. And they don't even have the good sense to be
embarrassed by the disconnect.- "I just don't want to pay
for the social ills that come from a "Wasted" life-style."2bits, are you under the impression that people do not use marijuana right
now? Why not tax it, and use that and reductions in costs from reduced
enforcement to pay for any societal ills arising from it? (Which will be far,
far less then societal ills from alcohol.)
End the nanny state control. Free is free, not just freedom to have no health
insurance. States right issue.
RedShirtMIT Said: "Actually the effects of marijuana is more akin to getting
plastered." I've Never been plastered. Are you
speaking from experiences while smoking Marijuana? or are you just making things
up again?Curmudgeon said: "With all due respect, why should pot
be treated differently than alcohol? Both are mind-altering, nutritionally
useless substances."Smoking it has no nutritional value, however
Hemp seeds contains:* All 20 amino acids, including the 9 essential
amino acids (EAAs) our bodies cannot produce.* A high protein percentage
of the simple proteins that strengthen immunity and fend off toxins.*
Nature’s highest botanical source of essential fatty acid, with more
essential fatty acid than flax or any other nut or seed oil.* A perfect
3:1 ratio of Omega-6 Linoleic Acid and Omega-3 Linolenic Acid – for
cardiovascular health and general strengthening of the immune system.* A
superior vegetarian source of protein considered easily digestible.* The
richest known source of polyunsaturated essential fatty acids.
2 bits:I see that humor sails over your head. But on a more serious
note, if pot were legal, regulated, and taxed appropriately, there would be no
need for a separate bureaucracy; the DABC could change its name to something
more generic, and expand its functions to include regulation of pot the same way
it regulates booze; any added expense could be covered by the pot tax. With all due respect, why should pot be treated differently than
alcohol? Both are mind-altering, nutritionally useless substances, which may be
addictive to a percentage of the population, may lead to abuse of other
substances, and may contribute to socially unacceptable (even criminal) behavior
in some users. Alcohol is good for certain medicinal purposes (e.g. external
cleansing), and MJ may be good for other medicinal purposes (e.g. pain relief).
Making sale, possession, or abuse of either one illegal contributes to the
expense and other burdens of the criminal justice system, which we all pay for.
One can argue for greater or lesser governmental regulation of these substances,
but it is hard to argue with consistency that they should not be treated
The country may as well outlaw all herbs and plant while they are at it. That is
how ludicrous this law is. But Obama nor anybody on the Republican side of
things seems to want to make this a reality. They are trying a bunch of dirty
tricks in Colorado and Washington to reverse the legalization of Marijuana.
airnaut,Re: "You probably would not recognize a pot smoker if can
right up and blew smoke in your face"....I know people use it
(currently illegally). And I see people openly using it right here in little
old SLC Utah all the time. And I can tell when somebody's high without
them having to blow smoke in my face. What does that have to do with
anything?Should it be OK to drive drunk if nobody can tell
you're drunk unless you barf it into their face?---Re: "I don't know of any of this marijuana killing people every day
with the littered bodies, and blood of many thousands of innocent people
creating slaves, widows, and orphans - as you claim"...Show me
where I made these claims. I didn't. That's called a strawman. I
don't answer questions about things I never said.---I don't know what horror stories you are talking about and attributing to
me....I never said Marijuana killed anybody... I just don't
want to pay for the social ills that come from a "Wasted" life-style.
To "Happy Valley Heretic" so then you agree that we already have
legalized marijuana. So the question still stands, why do we need to legalize
smoking it?Actually the effects of marijuana is more akin to getting
Brigham Young encouraged the Mormon settlers to grow hemp and poppies, for
their medicines and their ropes...I reckon because they were free to
choose for themselves, and there was no $800 Billion a year Pharmecuetical
Industry to control and manipulate the passage of laws favoring THEIR products
by lobbyists and political briberies back in 1847.Don't you
think we should at least level the playing field, and allow the Drug
Cartels to go around the Doctors and advertise directly to the non-Doctor
consumers on Television?
Curmudgeon,Who would pay the employees salaries, build the office space,
buy the phones, computers and office equipment, etc, for this new Division of
Marijuana Control you want?? Hint... It won't be the hempies,
it would be the hard working tax paying people like you and me who DON'T
use pot.You claim nobody wants unrestricted legal access... But the
same people who push Marijuana legalization DO complain that access to Alcohol
is controlled in Utah. If they push for liberalizing alcohol laws... why would
they not eventually push for the same for Marijuana?IMO medical use
is one thing, recreational use is another. We don't need to condone it
just to make the hemp-heads more comfortable. I have no problem if people with
medical needs have access. But we all know that States that have opened it for
medical use KNOW it's also going to used for recreational use also.
There's no way around that.So.. if YOU will offer to fund the
new bureaucracy to manage Hemp usage and guarantee it won't be taken out of
the budget for important things like education... Go ahead and legalize it.
RedShirtMIT said: "I hate to break it to all of you Pot heads, but there
already are multiple forms of legalized Marijuana extract based drugs on the
market. "My brother has a prescription for marinol one of your
extract based drugs, for a one month prescription of 60 pills is over $1,100.
Something your grandmother could grow along side her tomatoes with little or no
skill fetches a price more obscene then the worst drug dealers would dream of
charging. Besides like someone else already pointed out, not
everyone wants their drugs in religiously accepted pill form, nor do they need
the excuse.It's a drug more akin to caffeine than anything
else, although far less toxic.
I don't think anyone is arguing for unrestricted legal access to marijuana.
Treat it like alcohol and tobacco: legalize, regulate, and tax it like crazy to
pay for prevention, treatment, law enforcement, education, roads, and other
worthy state enterprises that non-users want someone else to pay for. We could
even create another bureaucracy, the Division of Marijuana Control (like the
DABC), and Utah legislators could spend their time figuring out how to set up
state-run MJ stores and MJ curtains (which, of course, would be made of hemp),
instead of idiotic unconstitutional message bills, new ways to restrict
abortions, and keeping wolves out of Utah. Heck, even allow purveyors to
advertise the stuff on TV and at sporting events (just like beer); the
competition with booze and ED cures would be a boon for the media. Think of the
entertaining Super Bowl ads!
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTprocuradorfiscalTooele,
UT======== 8% of Americans smoked pot at least once in
the last 30 days.Those are your friends, neighbors, co-workers,
families...You probably would not recognize a pot smoker if can right up
and blew smoke in your face.For a number so "high" [pun],
I don't know of any of this marijuana killing people every day with
the littered bodies, and blood of many thousands of innocent people creating
slaves, widows, and orphans - as you claim. Why is it not being reported
in the News?BTW -- I have not heard of one single instance of
a Potheads doing what you claim.It's the legal distribution and
the money that goes along with the black-market that is making all the horror
stories you are so afraid of.
@RedShirtDifferent strokes for different folks. Not all of us want to
have a drink to unwind. Its not everyone's cup of tea, but why deny those
who enjoy and hurt no one.
I hate to break it to all of you Pot heads, but there already are multiple forms
of legalized Marijuana extract based drugs on the market. Please tell us what
you really want. With all of the legal drugs based on Marijuana, we know that
you are not looking to get legitimate uses legalized. Tell us, why you really
want it legalized.
Marijuana criminalization is as silly as prohibition was because like
prohibition, it just makes the criminals richer. I don't believe in this
gateway drug garbage and it's totally unproven. It's true that
marijuana can be abused just like anything else we consume. But that's not
reason to make it illegal.
Don't legalize Marijuana which is less harmful than cigarettes and
impossible to overdose on. But legalize psychotropic drugs which are addictive
and deadly if abused.? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
I agree. Legalize Marijuana which can also be use for medicine. I have seen it
treat cancer with my own eyes. The reason it's illegal is because it feeds
money to the courts and prisons.
Ya!Because we can all see what a horrible, rotten, place Canada has
Legalize it... just as long as I don't have to pay for their rehab and pay
to support their drop-out stoner life-style. And as long as we can be assured
that the will be prosecuted for driving under the influence, and won't
receive unemployment when their job performance does to Pot (little pun
there).We put Bus Divers and Train Engineers in jail who operate
their vehicles under the influence... We need to do the same for people driving
their car under the influence. Would you want your Doctor, pilot,
air traffic controllers, or any work force coming to work under the influence?
No... you would fire them before they made a serious mistake and got your
company in serious trouble.Yet when we legalize it we are indirectly
saying all these things are fine.
@procuradorfiscal" Marijuana is a dangerous drug. As dangerous and
heroin, meth, and cocaine? Yes, because it leads people to ALL of them. And,
marijuana kills people every day. "The reason marijuana is a
gateway drug is because it's the least dangerous illegal drug. Getting it
now requires some sort of connection to illegal sources that then could push
other things. If it were legalized it would largely eliminate the establishment
of that kind of connection and would be much less of a gateway drug.
I prefer hemp twine over plastic
@Twin LightsI have the complete opposite experience. Just Saying.
Never used the stuff and I never will.That said, the "war on
drugs" has cost us far too much money, ruined far too many lives, choked our
justice system, and accomplished exactly nothing.Legalize it, tax
it, regulate it. It'll put drug dealers out of business so fast your heads
All I can say is that watching some folks I have known for decades who are
addicted to Marijuana, the effects in their lives are clear.They
have little ambition and have accomplished little to nothing.Are
there exceptions? Always. But from my observations the stereotype exists for a
procuradorfiscalTooele, UT4:49 p.m. Nov. 13, 2013========== LOL!Somebody's been watching way too much
"Reefer Madness"Try spouting the real facts first, then do a side by side comparison to other "accidents".All
the other issues you sight about "drug cartels" disappear with
legalization.Try studying up on "Prohibition" and the Mobs and
Gangs why don't you...
Legalize Marijuana. Criminalize Twinkies.
procuradorfiscal said:" Marijuana is a dangerous drug. As
dangerous and heroin, meth, and cocaine? Yes, because it leads people to ALL of
them. And, marijuana kills people every day. "Awe, the old and
false, gateway drug approach. The problem here is that correlation isn’t
cause.Hell’s Angels motorcycle gang members are probably a 1000
times more likely to have ridden a bicycle as a kid than those who don’t
become Hell’s Angels, but that doesn’t mean that riding a
two-wheeler is a “gateway” to joining a motorcycle gang. 0 Deaths can be attributed to Marijauna overdose.So if we're
talking dangerous drugs, start with overdose amounts, then you can start making
assumptions and loose statistical correlation for kicks and giggles."Drug production, transport, and distribution chains are littered with
bodies, and marijuana users have the blood of many thousands of innocents on
their hands."If it were legal, those problems you name
wouldn't exist, would they? In fact it could bring in tax dollars
instead of spending them to house non-violent criminals.Fact -
Marijuana is NOT a dangerous drug!
Re: "The public is so concerned about the dangers of marijuana, but have
they forgotten about the alcohol-related deaths that occur every year?"No, we haven't forgotten. But why should we take the deranged step
of adding to the alcohol problem, by creating more of a marijuana problem?Marijuana is a dangerous drug. As dangerous and heroin, meth, and
cocaine? Yes, because it leads people to ALL of them. And, marijuana kills
people every day. Not so much the users, perhaps, but WAY too many of their
innocent victims, both direct and indirect. Drug production, transport, and
distribution chains are littered with bodies, and marijuana users have the blood
of many thousands of innocents on their hands.Potheads are not just
engaged in some cute, harmless parlor game, with no victims but themselves.
Besides destruction of their own brains, each toke encourages and enables
creation of more slaves, widows, orphans, and vicious cartel bosses. And,
there's not the slightest evidence that legalization would change that,
particularly in the corrupt third world.DON'T legalize
Although I don't use the wacky weed, a lot of track athletes in the
70's were smokers and I don't know of any of them who tuned into
serious addicts. The same can't be said of people I know who used
alcohol.Instead of saying yea or nay to marijuana maybe we should
see how it works in Washington State and in Colorado. It should only take about
5 to 10 years to see if the benefits of legalization out weigh the costs of
criminalizing cannabis.After all, a lot people claimed that
legalizing gay marriage would usher in the demise of straight unions but so far
I haven't seen any traditional marriage breakups blamed on the existence of
Y'know, after reading this letter and the accompanying comments, for some
strange reason I have a sudden case of the munchies . . .
Here Here!The only one's opposed to marijuana are tea-totalers
(who already would not use it whether it's legal or not), and
BIG Pharmacutical Industries.You are either FOR freedom orYou are not.BTW -- Irony of the day;The same
people who think AK-47s can't be banned from criminals and the mentally
ill, ban a common weed.
I don't care if we legalize marijuana... as long as we have significant
penalties for it's abuse and the accompanying social ills that come when
you choose to get involved with it (same for alcohol abuse).I
don't want to pay for these people's rehab, or their unemployment when
their job performance drops or they quit showing up to work, or their
hospitalizations for drug interactions when they get addicted to this or
something stronger.When people can't function without being in
an altered state (from Marijuana or Alcohol)... they become a burned on society.
I don't want to pay because they chose to drop-out and indulge in
Marijuana or Alcohol instead of working hard and being a productive member of
society.When you take the drug culture's mantra to heart (turn
on, tune in, drop out)... you become a burden on society. That's YOUR
decision. YOU enjoy the consequences of that decision (not me).Same goes for alcoholics. If you choose to use and become addicted or
dependent on it to function.. that's YOUR choice, not mine.Legalize the choice... but put some personal responsibility on the decision