Brad Rock: Utah Jazz on track to make history of the worst kind

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  • RoHan WP, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Please! for the love of Pete! cut Lucas! and sign another D-Leaguer!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:06 p.m.


    i might agree with the set back...but if we have a coach that has a solid idea of what the team's identity would be...i dont think its a huge his 3rd year? still havent set foot on who this team really is...there is no identity...but i will agree that a coaching change right now might hurt...but its early in the season...and we have already lost a number of games

  • Farmhand20 Vernal, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Blind Zebra wrote:
    "Pro athletes play hard night in and night out no matter who the coach is because they want a big payday in the future. I could coach in the NBA."

    "My pregame speech would be this, "Alright, if you don't want to play hard and lose be my guest, you're only hurting yourself and who wants to sign a lazy NBA player, now go earn that money"

    @Blind Zebra....

    Your moving and absolutely amazing motivational pregame speech has practically brought tears to my eyes. Would you mind making the 30-45 minute drive south, and giving this speech to the players ? The Jazz organization could have this whole mess turned around by tonight with a speech like that. Who needs a coach or even potential superstar draft picks on their team after this kind of inspiration ?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    @ fortydam:

    How exactly is it possible for this team to be set back further than it already is?
    This team is not only losing every single game, but getting blown out in almost all of them.
    At this point, there is absolutely nothing to lose by trying a coaching change. At it could end up being surprisingly productive. It's basically impossible to do any worse.

    @ obama10:

    Yes, many of us expected this to be a rebuilding year. But we also expected the team to occasionally win a few games, and at the very least, be somewhat competitive in many of their other games. But none of that is happening. We didn't have high expectations, but we also didn't think we would have a team that would set new records in futility, either. As such, and to answer your question, no... there is no hypocrisy.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    Blind Zebra, finally some common sense. Corbin is running the same plays Jerry ran. Different players. No Malone, no Stockton, no Horney, no Adam Keefe, no big dog, no tough screen setters that make this offense work, and when it does, nobody to hits the shots. Bringing in a new coach sets them back even further.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Nov. 12, 2013 5:05 p.m.


    George Karl? Nate Mcmillan? Larry Brown? Stan and Jeff Van Gundy? Lionel Hollins? Alvin Gentry? Scott Skiles?

    George Karl seems to struggle in the playoffs....Nate Mcmillan took a heavily injured portland team to the playoffs and almost pulling an upset...Larry Brown won a championship with detroit...Stan Van Gundy took heat to and orlando to finals...Jeff Van Gundy...knicks days with allan houston...lionel hollins...was a decent coach with memphis...Alvin Gentry...phoenix...think will do good with young guys...Scott Skiles...a drill sergeant...will perform really well on first year but demands too much on his players therefore relationship issues with my mind right now...Nate Mcmillan is the guy...

  • Queensland Jazz fan Townsville Australia, 00
    Nov. 12, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    For the love of basketball, Corbin has to go! In four years, none of the jazz lineups have ever evidenced consistent team defensive or offensive sets... this isn't (just) a personnel issue, it's a coaching issue. Corbin creates a muddled identity, and doesn't inspire players... by contrast, look at Phoenix this year, what a turn around Hornacek and Thibodeau's ex assistant have made. Players need some direction, and it hasn't happened in three years, won't happen, under Corbin no matter what players we have.

  • Bigpics West Haven, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Kanter looked world-beating out of the gate and he and Favors have moments where you can see tons of potential - but apparently easy to scout weaknesses and lately looking anything but like number 3 picks...

    ...also no idea what's happening to Hayward's post-first quarter play... ...or with Burke not correcting his bone-head tendencies, especially when first inserted..

    A different situation, obviously if the Jazz had anything resembling a true point guard. "Luke" isn't, not even close, and Tinsley's apparently forgotten how to facilitate and that he shouldn't be jacking up flat clangs from the top of the key with time on the clock.

    Still, the losing doesn't pain as much as that this group (won't call them a "team") is simply not an enjoyable watch for more than 5-6 minutes a game. No flow, no energy, no plan, no defense, little rebounding when more seems it should be a lock...

    Also think the Jazz may be more committed to their system than to Corbin personally,and with Hornacek gone, Sloan's age, whether Malone and Stockton want (or are suited for) bench roles, etc. are flummoxed as to where to go.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    That was an UGLY game. Both teams were terrible but in the end ours proved itself to be superior solely in that category.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    Isn't it a little hypocritical when last year all of the fans were asking for the young guys to play knowing it would be a rough year, but they would get experience. So the Jazz don't resign Millsap or Jefferson so there is more playing time for the youngsters so they can build for the future, and now the fans are jumping ship? This is the rebuilding year the Jazz have needed since Williams left. This is what most towns have to go through to get to a championship. Stop complaining and enjoy the ride.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    "I'd love you guys to provide some good candidates I can take back to my son for the next time we get into this debate." - joe5

    There is a viable candidate right on the Jazz bench. His name is Alex Jensen. In my opinion, Jensen's background is superior to Corbin's. Alex played for Rick Majerus for four years and became an assistant to Majerus for five years. That's 9 years of tutelage under one of the best college basketball coaches of the past 25 years.

    I say fire Corbin right now and hand the reigns over to Alex. Let him do his best this season and evaluate his, and the team's, performance at the end of the season.

    I'm certain Alex Jensen wouldn't be making the rookie mistakes that Corbin continues to make.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    @ Blind Zebra:

    I now understand where the "blind" part of your moniker comes in. Blind loyalty isn't always a good thing. It's better to be objective enough to recognize when and where changes are needed. Otherwise, you end up in a rut. Not a good place to be.

    Very few people who post on these articles actually hate Ty Corbin... He's a good guy. But they also recognize he appears to be over his head right now. He had never had a head coaching job before the one he has now. And given the multiple years he's had this job and done absolutely nothing with it, well, the handwriting appears to be on the wall. His OJT hasn't gone so well.

    You can play the blind man game and pretend it's not there... but it still is. Fans for life always want is best for their team. And sometimes that necessitates a change. Players come and go in an effort to make the team better. And sometimes that has to happen to coaches as well... especially when the team is in a rut... like we appear to be right now.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Blind Zebra: In my mind, there are two key things a coach can do. 1) He must train and teach individual players so they improve in skills, mechanics, and basketball IQ. 2) He must train and teach the team so they can perform better than the sum of the individual parts.

    In my mind, Ty has failed miserably in both roles (my son disagrees pointing primarily to Favors improved free throw shooting and offensive footwork).

    Tators: There are always available coaches, many with NBA experience. For example, there is no way I would want Vinny Del Negro to coach our team. That would be a step backward from Ty. I'm also not a fan of Scott Skiles. But I've long been a fan of Nate McMillan and George Karl and I think they can do things that Ty cannot. Maybe one of the Van Gundys would be a good candidate. I'm not sure.

    I admit I'm looking for the name that makes me slap my forehead and say "of course!" but I haven't had that epiphany yet. That's why I keep looking for ideas.

  • The.Canuck Tooele, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:10 p.m.


    Nobody on here said the players are lazy. I certainly didn't. However, I think it is safe to say that our current Jazz roster is less talented than most NBA teams by comparison.

    Owen. Get used to that!

    Owen 8. Owen 9. Owen 10. LOL

    How high can it go?

  • Staythecourse Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    It doesn't do any good to whine and cry about the coach. In my opinion the NBA is a players league, players shoot, pass and rebound, they win or lose games, and the reason the Jazz are losing games is because they forgot the first part of that, they don't shoot.

    Lets add a few more pieces to the puzzle and give Trey Burke a shot when he gets back and you'll start to see attendance rise.

    Go Jazz.

  • write4u2 Altamonte Springs, FL
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Brad, would someone in the Salt Lake media please write a piece suggesting or demanding that the Jazz find a replacement for Ty? Like some others said, he might be a nice guy, but nice guys don't always make good coaches.

  • Blind Zebra Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    For all you Corbin haters:

    Let me get this straight, If i'm Hayward or any other free agent and I don't like the coach or think he is the problem with the Jazz losing, then i turn it over and don't play hard and don't score.

    Well with that logic I won't get a big contract because my numbers will be down.

    Pro athletes play hard night in and night out no matter who the coach is because they want a big payday in the future. I could coach in the NBA.

    My pregame speech would be this, "Alright, if you don't want to play hard and lose be my guest, you're only hurting yourself and who wants to sign a lazy NBA player, now go earn that money"

    Lets support Corbin and the Jazz, I'm staying the course. Don't be a bandwagon fan.Or the fan who always blames everything on the coach. Go Jazz, I'm a fan for life.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @ joe5:

    It's hard to determine who all is available for a head NBA coaching job until the hat gets tossed into the ring.

    There would probably also be some very good college coaches who would be interested. And considering the youth level of our team, that might not be a bad thing... to have a coach who has proven he relates well to younger players and who has shown he knows how to get the best out of them... as individuals and as a team.

    I thought the Jazz made a mistake in not making Jeff Hornecek their head coach, and letting him go to Phoenix instead. He's going to be an impressive coach for the Suns before long. And that is with a team lacking any big names. He's already 1-0 against the Jazz this year.

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Look at the bright side, if this keeps up, it will be an EASY decision to replace Corbin with Sloan. Sloan invites Malone and Stockton to join him as assistance coaches, and then next year - here come the glory days again!

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    I've been wanting a coach for the last two years and my son has been a staunch defender of Ty. To those who are clamoring for a new coach, I'll ask what my son always asks me: Who do you want that is available?

    It's an interesting discussion he and I have. I still think Ty needs to go but he doesn't like the guys I propose as replacements. I'd love you guys to provide some good candidates I can take back to my son for the next time we get into this debate.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    It all starts and usually ends with coaching. Even previously, with a much more experienced and talented team, the Jazz still couldn't make the playoffs.

    Ty Corbin seems like a nice guy, so I somewhat hate to say this, but the team has consistently gotten worse under his watch... every year... and with no playoffs. The numbers, year in and year out, say a coaching change is needed.

    There is no question this young team has talent. They've undoubtedly showed it in spurts. But learning to maintain consistency is crucial at this juncture. And that falls directly back on the coaches... with the buck stopping at the desk of the head coach.

    Because of the extra long tenure of coach Sloan, the Millers have developed the trait of being loyal to their coach... probably too loyal. In the business world, when a company is not performing as expected, management changes are made. I believe if Larry was still around, he would recognize that a coaching change is currently necessary for this team to go to the next level. Until then, frustration will continue to prevail.

  • American Patriot Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Utah Jazz? Who are they again?

    I don't any of my friends that even go to the games any longer.


  • The.Canuck Tooele, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    Time to start wearing grocery bags on our heads to home games. This is embarrassing being a Jazz fan.

    Tanking a season for a high draft pick is risky. The draft pick might be a bust. Secondly, introducing a losing culture to a team creates lowered expectations. That is hard to overcome without cleaning house. Coaching staffs and rosters.

    Watch out Ty. Its easier to fire a coach than an entire team.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    When will Miller start giving away free Jazz tickets like he does for his baseball team? I might go to a Jazz game if I could get free tickets. On second though, no. But throw in some free concessions and I'm there.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    We all know this is a rebuilding year and looking forward to a high draft pick. This draft has been picked as one of the best of all times. The motto for this year for the young team should be, play hard, get better, and lose. #1 Pick, here we come!!

  • BYU_Aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Please get Corbin out of the there sooner than later. I know that won't fix all the managerial issues of this team, but it's a start.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    "But it’s also possible their core players really are just complementary talents, not the franchise players Jazz fans hope."

    That is the point of the race to the first pick, isn't it?

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    jazz4ever."Somehow the coach has managed to mess up hot shooting Burks also. Very sad state of affairs" I think is should read somehow the coach is letting Burks play right now. The offense stops at him every time he gets the ball. He gets half way to the hoop, dribbles ten seconds off the clock and the entire team stops moving. Kanter is taking too long to shoot, he is one of the best shooters and the ball stops there too. Kanter is one of the few setting screens for Hayward, thus Hayward is producing better with Kanter in the game. I didn't realize until all of these defeats just how undersized this team is. Kanter also cannot rebound when they pull him out on screens, they also do this when they run the offense through Favors. The old Layden/Jerry/Corbin ball failed Millsap for Jefferson, it's now failing Kanter for Favors. I'm not sure Jerry ball can work for two natural centers or forwards in the same lineup. I also thinks Burks playing point two guard is a big problem right now.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Why is it that all the jazz players look slow and sluggish compared to every other team? they are so slow to rotate to the ball on defense, and derrick favors just looks like an oaf out there, so slow, never hustling, always meandering. It is really strange. Other teams fly around the court on defense. How can it be that the jazz give up wide open threes and also easy points in the paint? What area, exactly, are they covering on defense? Looks like none to me. When a terrible injured Denver team can come in your house and just pummel you, you know you have problems.

  • marine2 kennewick, WA
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    tv did good job of showing marvin williams trying to cover his mouth while laughing along with brandon rush during the game. hard to root for folks like that. would appreciate your reporters asking point blank to management why they don't get a point guard backup who can shoot - see sacremento bench.

  • gehelmke Bastrop, TX
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    This group is all about re-tooling for the future....It was supposed to be a core group learning each other in a season where they lost a lot of ball games....but that is not what's happened....for two reasons:
    1) The most important piece of the puzzle....the point guard....was injured, and the players selected to back him up were terrible choices.
    2) This type endeavor requires a good coach....not just a coach, but a GOOD coach....not a good old guy, but a GOOD COACH......A coach with a scheme in mind to play offense and to play defense....Ty Corbin is probably a great guy, but he is not what these youngsters need to mold them into a good ball club.

  • grj Bountiful, ut
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    Utah shot 40% from the floor for the game and yet collected only 9 offensive rebounds. The effort to compete just wasn't there. As I watched possession after possession, the Jazz players would jack up a shot out of rhythm and with not a rebounder in sight. Many times, by the time Denver came down with the rebound and turned to head up the floor, all five Jazzmen were back across the half-court line. And "Coach" Corbin never said a word, just stood (albeit very nattily attired!) on the sideline and watched. When I played my few years of college ball, I was on the bench FAST if I didn't crash the boards.

    I miss Jerry Sloan. I miss Paul Milsap.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    time for some personnel changes and I don't mean players.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Nov. 12, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    "The sky is not really falling".

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 6:24 a.m.

    This can't surprise anyone. It's like the tank was planned during the off-season.

  • jazz4ever San Mateo, CA
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:49 p.m.

    Coach Ty is in denial if he things guys were working hard! I watched some of 2nd and 3rd and stopped after I couldnt bear it anymore. In those... they clearly were not giving their best on D. There was no urgency...and absolutely no pride! Offense was ok. The stat to check would who got the most of loose balls. My money will be on the opposition the last 5-6 games! Richard Jeff has to come off the bench. Its a sin he is still getting to start. Somehow the coach has managed to mess up hot shooting Burks also. Very sad state of affairs.