Utah football: Utah, Oregon both coming off tough setbacks

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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    And I get BYUtv in HD on Comcast. But isn't one of the big "cuts" utah "fans" like to make about BYUtv is that it isn't in HD? Just like the pac12 network it is on some systems and isn't on others but there is one really big difference, BYUtv is on far more cable and sattelite systems than the pac12 network and it is on the basic tier on all of them. The pac12 network is an added expense on most of the systems it is on, you have to pay extra for it. No one that isn't a pac12 fan will pay for it unless it is part of a bundle with some other channels they may want.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 12, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    At 79ute

    I get the PAC 12 channel in HD on Comcast, u won't get the channel in HD via your rabbit ears

  • socalcougar! La Crescenta, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    Both BYU and Utah are what they are. Middling schools against big time programs that hit it big once or twice a year. And the other teams know it they same way we knew that Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV and others were never going to win consistently. In the MWC conference both BYU and Utah were better set for the BCS game than now. The problem for both of them is recruiting. There are not enough great players in the state of Utah and the Mountain West footprint to consistently beat the USCs of college football, so they have to reach into Texas and California, and both teams have to develop talent over a 3-6 year window instead of reloading with four star recruits. When they have a strong senior/junior class with a quarterback that can play, they each win some extra games, but it will never last year to year. BYU has the religious affiliation, which limits the recruits it can get and Utah has to sell SLC over many more desirable locations in the PAC 12. BYU was pushed around by Wisconsin and Utah will struggle with Oregon's team speed. Stanford was a better matchup.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Nov. 12, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    So Lurker,
    You spout a lot of information but can you show us the actual numbers that Utah earns and the amount of money BYU earns off of these contracts? Until then you may want to be careful about what you put out there. I seriously doubt that the pac tv contract split so mny ways would amount to the amount BYU receives. Keep in mind Utah and Colorado do get all their full share this year. You might have missed that but good try.

    I guess seriously was wrong in the u/BYU game being on tv. I guess Utah was not interesting enough opponent.

    By the way to all of the u fans, not all cable companies just throw out the pac network as part of a basic package. I live in pac country and cannot get it in my area without spending more money, which I won't do. The pac network is not as viable and visable as you may think.

  • sportrealist FILLMORE, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    You folks all need to open your eyes. Neither team is ever going to hit the big time. They had a better chance before. Look what happened to Utah and TCU when they went undefeated in the old MWC. They became BCS bowl busters. Doesn't anyone think that went into these big conferences reasons for inviting them into their associations? We are all stupid to think otherwise. The big boys had to break up the bowl busters. Utah and BYU would both have done better if they had stayed in the MWC and kept TCU in there, then bring in Boise state and maybe a Nevada or San Jose State, both of whom have shown some flashes of achievement from time to time. Think of the acclaim the winner of the conference would have received. All of these programs were nationally recognized and would have brought power to the conference. Now by being broken up into other conferences they all have become irrelevant. The big boys have won again and BYU and Utah have fallen victim to their own unbelievable unrealistic egos. They are getting exactly what they deserve, exposed mediocrity, albeit with more money in their pockets.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    @BYU9293 Keep telling you all the conferences wanted BYU if they did they would have given BYU their TV rights in order to join the conference. Utah did earn a spot in the PAC due to being a research institution and their sucess on the football field.

    What sucess has BYU had in the past 2 decades that have warrented an invite to the PAC. You are not a research school your football program is average. ESPN only wants you for filler programing on Friday nights and at 8 pm at night.

    @ But seriously folks! Utah and BYU play at the Hunty it wont be on ESPN

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    To eastcoastcoug,
    Utah did not EARN their bid to the Pac 12, get real. So many Ute fans are either ignorant of the facts or delusional. BYU was not invited to the Pac because of their religion...point bland and period. There was at least one school president from a California school that stated in the meetings they would not approve byu because of the religious affiliation and they all had to approve to get it. Utah was invited to get the tv market in this area and to be fodder for the Pac big boys. That is the truth.
    As for byu, several conferences have wanted byu, but we have refused to give up what we have, which is awesome exposure. We were wise to not cave in to the Big East, who did want us, or to the Big 12, who also wanted us. We stuck to our guns and demanded tv rights they were not willing to give. We are much better off right now as far as exposure and I will take that any day.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    @ Silent Lurker:

    This Ute fan was simply wondering when all that TV money the conference is getting would translate into an HD broadcast in an area loaded with fellow PAC 12 alumni. In researching this morning, I found that our cable provider is withholding the Pac 12 HD broadcast as a way to get us to further upgrade our packages - so they'll get another $30/month from me now so I can watch the improvement in the basketball program in HD.


    The defense did a better job containing the speed of the ASU offense for most of the game than I expected. I hope the defense can play as well this week, but I fear another Arizona-like let down. Coach KS has done a great job with the defense this year, and the defense has strong player leadership. I don't think the offense has been well coached this year. For example, why the call for two after the first touchdown? And we lose by one. We've got one offensive coordinator who's too young and another who's too old. The offense has no real leaders on the field. The losses of Murphy and Tonga has really hurt.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    This game will be funny. I'm excited.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Wow, little brother Y fan obsession with the Utes again with trite comments from fans of a team that plays IDAHO STATE for heavens sake in mid November. Y fan, you have nothing to boast about when your team plays IDAHO STATE in November. Utah on the other hand is playing a team, that was until last week, almost a lock for going up against Alabama in the NC game. Your team on the other hand is playing IDAHO STATE. Then you have a road game to play an unranked Notre Dame team that lost to ever woeful Pitt. Then comes the challenge of challenges against Nevada who I noticed got beat six ways from Sunday last week by Colorado State. Good luck against Idaho State, I hope you guys rise to the monumental challenge. Too funny.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Very interesting and telling that six of the first nine comments are from BYU fans using Ute pseudo-names. Just why should the care so much? Perhaps they are still feeling the sting of four in a row and nine of the last twelve? Or maybe it is because the Utes were invited to the PAC and the cougars were not? Seems like nobody wants them. They like to brag about a TV contract because they cannot talk about their head to head record against Utah. Funny that Utah's partial share of the PAC 12 contract amounts to more than their entire ESPN contract and it will continue to grow. Most likely it's just the little sister syndrome.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 12, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Guess who they're gonna take out frustration on this weekend????

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 12, 2013 7:49 a.m.


    "I don't think the Ducks will be suffering the wrath of the Utes."

    You're right, but only because the Utes menu this weekend is calling for roast ducks! Ok, I'm being facetious here! But if you think the Ducks are mad, wait till you see what's coming! You can only take but so much, and after 3 straight setbacks they are going to come at those ducks with a vengeance. You can mark it down! Wilson will rise, and so will all the Utes like they did against the Cardinals! I still believe they are much better than their record. And as I said many times before about my Cougars, winning cures all! It's the greatest equalizer!

    Good luck this weekend, Utes! Go Cougars! Go Aggies!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 12, 2013 6:17 a.m.

    I disagree with But Seriously...the Utes get plenty of national respect, having gone to and won 2 BCS bowls in the last 10 years. BYU has done...nothing since 1990 of real note. We continue to lose to top 25 teams (forget counting former MWC games where our MWC opponent was ranked...I'm talking about quality competition).

    I think Utah will always struggle against the better teams in their conference e.g. Oregon, UCLA, USC, Stanford (it won't happen again) and probably ASU, Washington and OSU. They are at best the 8th best team in the PAC 12.

    But BYU fans should not let their heads get too big. Utah EARNED its way into the PAC. Both teams are mediocre with occasional brilliant games (almost accidental).

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    The thing I love about watching our Utes is the black border on my screen that reminds me that it's not my eyes that are failing when I switch from ESPN to the non-HD PAC Network.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    I don't think the Ducks will be suffering the wrath of the Utes.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    Good comment. It is good to have a more realistic viewpoint from outside the hill. I agree that both teams are not in the national spotlight but BYU certainly receives more respect and press than the utes could ever hope for. The BYU/ESPN tv deal is sweet. I heard that there are 16 BYU basketball games on ESPN this year. Utah gets one, when they play BYU.
    The PAC network provides nothing for the u since no one watches it.

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    Ducks 42 - utes 10.
    Mark it down.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    The big difference is that Oregon has more talent in virtually position except the punter. I guess the punter will have to score at least 35 points to have any prayer of beating the Ducks. Hey is could happen since Chris will mark it down.

  • RichDaddy Lewis Center, OH
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    From my perspective in the Midwest, Utah football has about as much national relevance as Indiana or Illinois in the Big Ten. Those teams will rise up now and then and knock off a good or very good team. Their fan base gets excited when their team wins six games and qualifies for a lower level bowl and maybe, just maybe every 15 to 20 years they may get a trip to the Rose Bowl.

    BYU's reputation is just a bit higher, because they have a TV package that gets them into more national homes, they travel more widely and they are in a bowl game almost yearly.

    But that said, no one has talked about either of them being part of the national picture since Utah beat Alabama in 2009. It's a great memory for Ute fans, but in other parts of the country, it is pretty much forgotten.