After disappointing loss to Wisconsin, Cougars look ahead to Senior Day

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  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2013 12:07 a.m.

    @ Surf is Up

    The modern era began in 1970? According to who?...Cougar board? Since BYU has such a terrible history before LaVell Edwards became your coach. I don't blame you for trying to erase that part of history and pretending it never happened.

    The modern era of college football began in 1998 when the BCS was formed not 1970. College Football has changed since the 70's. By the way, the leather helmets started fading away in the 1940's when plastic helmets started taking over. If your basing the modern era of college football based on the helmets players wear. Then you have to trace back the modern era back to the 1940's. Utah would still dominate BYU.

    Now your claiming BYU was terrible before 1970 because BYU was pretty much a Division II school. BYU has been in the same conference as Utah since 1922. It's just Utah and Colorado dominated their conference. But if it helps you sleep at night, go ahead and believe that.

    BYU is just as relevant as Utah because neither team is making any noise nationally.

    Only you would know what crow tastes like eh, Surfer boy? I only hunt ducks. bwhahaha.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 13, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    Elmer,all I said is that BYU matters more than most games. We are flattered.

    Why not go back to 1970, which is the commonly accepted starting point of what is known as the Common Era of College Football (when helmets were not made of leather and the forward pass was not frowned upon as a gimmick). And the years before that, when U really dominated, BYU was pretty much a DivII school. Yes you you must be proud of that.

    So you can claim what you want to help you sleep at night. But you'd better make alternate plans as to what you will be watching during bowl season.

    In summary: BYU is still more relevant that utah on the national stage and it drives U mad.

    Crow tastes just like chicken.It also tastes like wabbit. But I'm sure you already know that Elmer.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    @ Surf is Up

    It's obvious that you haven't watched any of Utah's games this year. Utah played above and beyond in all of their games except USC. Utah has played competitively this year in their conference even though they don't result in wins. Meaning, they're not getting blown out!

    It's not only Utah fans that believe in myths. BYU fans believe in myths as well. For example: Even though BYU loses to Utah, they're somehow better than the Utes because they won more games at the end of the season. You can't prove that because they don't play common opponents. That's laughable!

    By the way, BYU is not our signature win this season. #5 Stanford is! So don't flatter yourself.

    If Utah is as bad as you say they are, then why does BYU keep losing to them year after year?

    Utah still owns your Cougs! 4 in a row, 9 of 12, 57-34-4 and scoreboard! How does that crow taste?

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 12, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    @Hey Elmer Fudd, crow all you want. The truth is, as it always is, that utah manages to play above themselves in a couple of games which means a lot more to them (and the BYU game always will). And then, having spent everything they have, the wheels come off for the rest of the season. Crash. Burn. Mangled wreck.

    That is your ute program. And that is why they will always be the PAC12 bottom dweller.

    The way U guys counter that fact is by simply declaring every team in the PAC12 as better than any other team on BYU's schedule or any other mid major conferences.

    It isn't true (laughably so) but U guys seem to comfort yourselves with that myth.

    So go comfort yourself with the win this season. While rooting against BYU in one of two bowl games being played by in state teams.

    LOL at that one Fudd.

  • daver Provo, 00
    Nov. 11, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Outmanned? Maybe. I think BYU had the players to win. We were clearly outcoached, outsmarted and had sloppy time management - a systemic issue for the last few years in big games, where little things can bite you.

  • mn_online In, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan's optimism notwithstanding...

    - BYU's postseason destination before Saturday's game: Mac-n-cheese bowl.
    - BYU's postseason destination after Saturday's game: Mac-n-cheese bowl.
    - Importance of November games as an non-undefeated independent with the requisite six wins: little.
    - Long term damage to BYU football's ability to recruit top talent as an independent: significant.
    - Current StubHub ticket price for Saturday's rumble with the Bengals: $4.

    Now, lest anyone call me a fair weather fan, a hater, (or a Ute fan), I bought my tickets and airfare to the Mac-n-cheese bowl *before* Saturday's game. I'll be there wearing Cougar blue, but I am a realist when it comes to independence, and I don't like what I see. Granted, it's better than the MWC and there's not much choice without an invitation to dance with somebody else, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend independence is great.

    On the bright side, Notre Dame looked beatable in their anemic loss to Pitt on Saturday, but that also hampers excitement for BYU's meeting with the un-ranked, three-loss Irish.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    It seems that BYU struggles against similarly ranked teams (Wisconsin, Utah) that have a good ability to stop the run game, they're much better against similarly ranked teams (Texas, Georgia Tech) that can't. I know Notre Dame's run defense was great last year but I'm not so sure about this year.

    "yet in mid-November many national news sources were talking about BYU and the possibility of them playing in a BCS bowl if they had won out. "

    I never read that anywhere, not even here and I'd expect here to consider longshot possibilities moreso than other places with regards to BYU. If they beat Wisconsin they'd move to something like 25, they'd get nothing from beating Idaho State, and beating Notre Dame would only move them up to around 20 maybe, still a good ways away from making a BCS bowl, especially with Northern Illinois and Fresno State ahead of them.

    Now, I'm not saying they had nothing to play for, because that would be silly, there's always something to play for. I'm just saying a BCS bowl wasn't happening.

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    LOL @ Chris B
    So whats the prediction for the Oregon game?

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    @ Surf is Up

    "I would have figured your vaunted SOS ranking would get you one regardless of your record.

    Now that is something to LOL about"

    Yet losing to two teams (Utah and Virginia) that probably will not go bowling this year is something to LOL about.

    Bash the Utes all you want, but the fact remains BYU still lost to them for the 4th straight year and 9 of 12. That is another thing to LOL about.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Chris B, have any bowl committees contacted your utes with an invite yet?

    I would have figured your vaunted SOS ranking would get you one regardless of your record.

    Now that is something to LOL about.

  • The Solution Dayton, OH
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    I'm with Voodohound99,

    I hate complaining about refs, and ultimately Wisconsin looked like the better team that probably would've won without any help... but they did get help, lots of it.

    There big, physical O-line got away with all kinds of holding the entire game, which is why we couldn't get any sacks.

    The non PI calls and the two blatantly overturned calls killed any momemtum on offense. I still don't understand the overturned facemask call against Jamal Williams. Even if they don't call what appeared to be an obvious hand on the mask, they should've called targeting on the other guy that hit him.

    Wisconsin is good, but the refs were definite fans too.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    4 wins for the mighty crimson, christine. No bowl. Nothing like being a ute eh?

  • Voodohound99 Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Just a few comments:
    1). Wisconsin's offensive line was awesome. We couldn't get any pressure and they had huge holes all day. Give them credit for the win.

    2). Anae is not a great scheming coach! No adjustments. Where were the short passes and screens? I was disappointed in his clock management and late game play calling as well.

    3). I've been rooting for Apo to show up but he continues to disappoint. Too many dropped passes.

    4). With 8 in the box to stop the run, Wisconsin was in man coverage most the game. Those 5'9" defensive backs were draped all over our receiver just trying to hang with them. No wonder Hill had such a poor throwing day between several dropped passes and defensive backs grabbing and pulling our receivers so they can't get open. Only 2 penalties on Wisconsin, 3 if you count the PI that BYU declined. The Big-10 officials need to call those PI calls.But they let Wisconsin do pretty much whatever they wanted. They weren't as bad as PAC-12 officials (nobody is), but we still got a little homer job. Not the reason we lost but didn't help.

    Wisconsin was better.

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Im not buying that the bye week didn't hurt. Did I hear correctly that Bronco gave the team 5...FIVE!...days off?? How are you supposed to stay focused and in sync when you're taking a vacation in the middle of the season? Is that normal or only if football is #5 on the priority list? For being such an important game for both the season and the future of the program I don't see the urgency. Once again, it seems coaching decisions continue to undermine the effort both on and off the field. Very dissapointing!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    Big Senior day against Division II Idaho State!

    Got to love independence!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Yes, my Badgers were the better team and deserved the win but this past week was really revealing as to the true state of BYU's independence.

    To all the naysayers who claimed after one loss BYU would have nothing to play for... BYU had two horrible losses to start the season, yet in mid-November many national news sources were talking about BYU and the possibility of them playing in a BCS bowl if they had won out. Conclusion? BYU can be a BCS buster with two losses. Now, with three losses they still have votes in the polls and will likely crack the top 25 if they win the next two games. Great scheduling this year, average execution.

    BYU will play in the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl this season but that doesn't change the fact that they absolutely have something to play for, even after losses to two of the worst teams in the country. That, and they're playing some awesome games during the regular season. AND we can actually watch their games on national t.v. I'm liking this independence gig. Go Cougs!

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 6:05 a.m.

    Win or lose this has been a good season for BYU even with the current three loss we have. I still see this team growing and learning on the scoring side of things. The D I think will not be near as strong next year, but still always strong with BM leading the D. This year has been good, next year I think will be great and then the third years something special.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 5:20 a.m.

    Yes, I suppose Wisconsin was better, but I always leave seeing a game like that saying we were better too. But we didn't show it, and often don't show our best games, especially in big venues and on national tv against ranked opponents. And there's a hundred reasons why it seems. But a lot of them don't make sense. Dropped passes, missed tackles, foggy assignments, execution - it is a team game and everyone has to be in sync at the same time. But we're still growing up in big games, with some great results and some losing ones. So it is. Onward and upward.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 11, 2013 4:57 a.m.

    I would like to hear an interview with our coaches that focuses on what they learn when they play these teams that are so much better. Do these guys absorb or think about how it is that someone can take basically the same kids and with a SYSTEM, prepare them to play at this level? I know, BIG 10 talent is better, but we're talking about the same DNA and kids that are even younger than our guys, who play with a certain level of discipline and preparation. Look at the difference of the Urban years at Utah vs. before and after. Or what Andersen has done at USU or Petersen at BSU.

    We're going to get this same level of talent at BYU from now until forever. The difference has to be in the coaches and how they prepare the kids. Maybe the first question is what is the goal of the coaching staff. Do they honestly expect to win these games or are they just happy to show up??

  • jebrink46 spokane, WA
    Nov. 10, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    It's OK for players, coaches and fans alike to admit that all athletic teams are not created equal. Sometimes you just play a group who, collectively, is better. I suspect Idaho St.
    will acknowledge that in about 7 days. Now we need to acknowledge that Wisconsin was the better team and would probably win most match-ups with BYU if they played repeatedly. If you saw the game, you saw players, especially at the line of scrimmage, who were bigger and stronger, hence who played better based on better talent. The Bedgers were disciplined, well-coached and motivated. As noted by the commentators, probably a top-10 team. Now, BYU has the chance to win-out, get a bowl win and earn recognition as a top-25 team. And that's not bad considering the recruiting, honor-code and scheduling challenges that face them. Go Cougs!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 10, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    Another opportunity missed by the Cougars! I wish they weren't on a bye week before they went to Wisconsin. Something about bye weeks that spell doom for them. I remember them being on a high when they demolished ranked Texas at the time and then hosted the Utes after a bye week and got smacked! Disappointed does not even describe it for me! But it's behind us now so we just need to look forward and finish the season strong. Notre Dame's loss to Pittsburgh significantly diminished the value of our meeting in a couple weeks. I was pulling for them to win so we can play them while they're rank. Too bad!

    Go Cougars, Utes, and Aggies the rest of the way!

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Nov. 10, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    Disappointing about sums it up. The way Utah and Wisconsin came out for their games shows exactly what I wished the Cougars could have done. They played a decent game, but it appeared that the Cougars were really not up to the task. But I am proud of the good game they made it. It was about as I thought it would go and anything more would have exceeded my expectations. Thanks for a good game Cougars. I was loving the Utah game until the last few minutes, too. Go Red and go Blue.