OneTime.... Actually I don't have any facts at all that they recruit, but
really? If you can you will I don't care who it is. All I'm saying is
that there's a reason that just about every other state has different
classifications for Private and public schools. I'm not saying at all that
Judge doesn't play by the rules, but when you look at it, it seems to be an
unfair advantage. Now doesn't look like Judge has guys who can recruit very
well or they'd win more, but if they had someone who knew what they were
doing you can't tell me that wouldn't be an unfair advantage. Just
don't play it off as if it doesn't mean anything because you know it
does, now your coaches may not do a very good job with that advantage but
it's still there. Oh by the way Short Bus Manti's was never the
biggest 2A school, and none of what's said has anything to do with numbers.
Bottom line this should be a really good game, the team that wins will have to
play really well.
I would say Onetime is on the money for enrollment at the two schools and
remember that is 9-12. I think the UHSAA uses 10-12 enrollment numbers when they
are trying to figure this all out
And anyone who thinks a school of around 600 students should compete in football
against schools with 2000 students, knows nothing about football.
It is disturbing to see people make up lies, in an attempt to create a no lose
situation for Manti. First of all Judge has never recruited for football. My son
and many others are great players on the team and we only wish we got
scholarships for having great athletes. Instead we pay to send our kids to Judge
(current enrollment right around 600 students) for the education and the amazing
preparation the students receive for college. 97% of Judge Memorial students go
on to college.As far as football goes, I think the saying goes,
"Even the sun shines on a dog's 'behind' once in a
while." It just so happens that an amazing group of football players are at
Judge right now. I won't be surprised if they take state for the next 3
years. And maybe Judge goes back into hibernation for another 30 years.
It's like the 2004 and 2008 University of Utah football teams. I don't
think anyone thinks the U of U is a national powerhouse, but they were awesome
those 2 seasons.
@ Mtn TrackerAccording to the Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake that
oversees and runs the catholic school system enrollement numbers for 2012-13 are
JD 841 and Judge 757. I believe Manti's enrollement is 608. From my understanding the 3A classifications is enrollement from 500 to 999
which means (excluding football) Manti plays DOWN to 2A and Judge plays UP to
Mr. TrackerI believe JD is prob at least 800 kids 9-12th.. Me thinks
your stats are from 2005. I have inside information so you can bank on it
For those who think Manti is complaining about having to play a larger school,
please realize that the majority of us Manti fans are not complaining about who
we're playing for the championship. We understand that because of our
enrollment, we will constantly be moving in the different classifications. With
that being said, we look forward to playing in another championship game,
regardless of who our opponent is. Good luck to both teams, we're hoping
for a great game!
PodunkYou continue to amaze me. I'm not informed? Google Utah High
School Enrollment. Let's see if you can figure it out. JD total enrollment
662. Judge total enrollment 863. You said yourself in another article there were
vast differences between urban an rural schools. I make that point here and you
argue with me. Just curious how old you are, 12 maybe 14? Short
BusManti has never been the largest 2A school. When Manti went back to 2A
a couple years ago Richfield and Emery went 2A also. Both schools were bigger.
Richfield is still more than 100 students bigger. Manti has since grown larger
than Emery. I feel the new 3A classification is the tightest in the state. Only
a 400 student difference. To bad the UHSAA only looks at enrollment as their
criteria. No public boundary type school will ever feel there's a fair
playing field when we play a school like JD or Judge. You can disagree all you
want, it doesn't matter. No one from Manti has ever complained about
#'s. It's not #'s, it's recruiting.
Judge does not recruit kids to play football. They do not scholarship. There is
financial aide available. Write a check for $9,000 a year and you can be
"recruited". Judge is a college prep school for Catholics and others.
Football is not the priority. Ask the Principal. Utah is a unique
state when it comes to high schools. Most of the mid size schools are small town
schools. Which is why JM and JD do not fit. Agree that they should both be 4A
for non -football. The issue with football is that they do not have the numbers,
at least in the case of JM. Freshman football had less then 20 players. Do not like 3A and 3AA by the way - dumb.
Why are all these people complaining about Judge Recruiting players all over the
state. They have been doing it for 40 years. And they haven't won the State
Championship in 30 years. They don't have an advantage, if it was giving
them an advantage they would have a heck of alot more championships in thier
trophy case. Go Diggers
help me out. when Manti was the biggest school in 2A does anyone remember them
saying anything about the numbers. I DON'T
MTn TrackerBTW, JD has more students than Judge, probably 100-150
more, so obviously you are not the most informed mind in the state
Mtn Trackeryour 3 year old must be very, very, very smart
inkmeNot only is Judge a school that doesn't have a boundary
and can recruit, they should be 4A. JD has fewer students. Their are plenty of
these no boundary schools to go around that have sports programs. Call it what
you want, recruiting, acquiring, it is what it is. There's no getting
around it. No boundaries, same level of classification as public schools. Which
is even better in judge's case. Just because Judge hasn't won a
championship in forever doesn't mean they don't try to bring in
football players. We dealt with JD a few years back just the same as judge has
lately. It's not Judge that we don't like. It's the UHSAA and
their ridiculous rules. PodunkYour intelligence is about the
same as my 3 year old. There are plenty no boundary type schools in utah for
private / charter schools to have a league.
@CTJ fanAre you assuming or do you know for fact that Judge recruits
football players? Just because they can, doesn't mean they do. Students go
to Judge for the faith and education, not football. A lot of SL
County schools have open enrollment. Do you think recruiting go on in
non-private high schools?
@UtahBruinThat was my bad assuming that you were a fan of Judge.
Overall though I agreed with you that Judge played the more difficult schedule.
I am by no way stating that Mtn view or Provo are great teams but anytime you
have a school with 3 times the students it's something to notice. When 1
team has to play both ways and other doesn't that is a bit of an advantage.
For a school Manti's size those aren't just cakewalk games. If you
look at the other schedules I think You'd agree were just behind Judge in
that regard.I'm not big on the talk that Judge should be a 4A
team because they can recruit etc, yes it does give them advantages but its not
their fault it's the high school board that should take the brunt of that.
I do think that Judge will face a completely different team in Manti then it did
a few weeks ago. This should be a very good game, looking forward to it.
I was there. It was a heck of a good game from both manti and Morgan. Either
could have won the game. Both played basic smash mouth football. Manti did
what they had to do to win. They played largely mistake free. Judge should
NebsyOk JD will Play Judge 9 times during the regular season, and
then play a championship game between themselves up the U.. can you get an
education in Ephraim
Once again, the "recruiting angle." I will ask it again, where was all
this talk last year when Judge was rolled by Morgan and beat by Grantsville?
Where was the talk when they were ousted out of the first round of the playoffs
a few years ago by Delta or some school down that way? Judge had SIX seniors on
their team last year. This year there is closer to 20. Most of which received
considerable playing time last year. That has translated into more wins this
year. Talent comes and goes. At Judge and Manti and everywhere else. The last
Football Championship for Judge was 1983. If they are recruiting, they need to
fire the guy in charge of it.
I think the most valuable comment here is regarding UHSAA creating a separate
classification for private schools. In my opinion, Judge has all of the
advantages and resources and, on paper, should come out on top this weekend.
All the more reason.....I will be cheering for the public school underdog
Templars to overcome that challenge (as they have proven able to do over and
there will be no asterik awarded to the championship but you all can let your
imaginations run wild on all the supposed recruiting that Judge does.. give me a
@ UTahBruinManti is a 2A School. They play only football in 3A.
If Manti wins this will be a huge victory for them. If Judge wins put another
asterisk on it for the UHSAA. Public Schools with boundaries competing with a
catholic school that recruits players from everywhere. Yet still has the same
classification due to the number of students that attend. Just like Jaun Diego
University, Judge has figured how to give scholarships to players and call them
academic scholarships. Until the UHSAA does what almost every other state has
done and create a separate league, any championship that these private schools
win will be tainted with a false glory.
If manti loses to 4a judge I think the uhsaa should call a special session to
redue the classifaction. JM2C
@CJTFirst, no I am not Judge fan. I follow High School football and
this is only my two cents. It doesn't mean I am right.Second,
I am very familiar with Shelley, Idaho football. Having done business up in the
Idaho Falls area, and with many friends up there I am familiar with Shelley.
Smaller school in a larger classification living area. Compared to Utah, they
are a Timpview, a school who is 4A and should be in 5A. That is Shelley.Third, you talk about how Shelley beat a Utah 5A team. Impressive, they
beat a 1-9 West Jordan team who's only win came against a 1-9 Hillcrest
team. Fourth, to talk about schedules, Judges losses are to 9-2
Pine View who's two losses are by a combined 7 points, and 10-1 Woods
Cross,who's only loss is to arguably the best team in the state in East.
Fifth, Manti has been a great team for many, many year. I am not
taking anything away from them. I wish them the best of luck. May the best
team win. I just think that is Judge Memorial.
Yes, and Manti plays another 4A team for the championship, so 4 games against 4A
Judge Memorial did have the hardest schedule for sure, but Manti's was not
far behind that. Something you missed UtahBruin was that Manti beat a very good
Shelley Idaho team this year and it was the first loss that team had in over 2
seasons. Shelley had already beaten a 5A utah team the week before by 4
touchdowns, so yes other than Judge, Manti played the most difficult schedule
for 3A.I take it UtahBruin that your a Judge Memorial fan, so you
know it also ends for Judge this week too, it is the last game of the year. And
if you think that Judge will just walk through the game that will be a major
mistake, first of all Manti is at full strength now which it haden't been
all season, one of it's best players missed the year, and just came back
for the playoffs. Also during the Judge game they had guys not playing, and
basically played their second string most the second half that your first string
scored 3 more touchdowns on. Pretty classy by the way, so do us a favor and be
I am not quite sure how Mantis schedule is one of the toughest in 3A, the non
region games where Provo and Mt. View who combined records was 2-18, other than
that, they played roughly the same schedule as every other school in 3A. Judge
Memorial who they lost to once already I would give the toughest 3A schedule
too, having played Pine View (3AA SemiFinalist) and Woods Cross (4A
SemiFinalist). It ends for Manti this week. Congrats on a good season though.
Channel five sports casters called Manti the underdogs in this game! I do not
know how they came to this conculsion! They have played one of the toughest
scedules in 3A and had the same record as Morgan before this game was played!
Rankings mean nothing! You still have to play the game!