Dick Harmon: Former Cougar linebacker Rocky Biegel has BYU, Wisconsin loyalties

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    Nov. 10, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Rockarolla, get a clue. Utah won a bowl game its first season as a Pac-12 member.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    Chris B. I think BYU has a national championship in its trophy case. Utah has 0. Utah has 2 bcs wins and BYU 0. Both won games during their undefeated seasons that they shouldn't have won. Both had weak weak schedules. Since moving to the PAC12 Utah is an horrible team. BYU has stayed about the same. Utah has no bowl wins while in the PAC.
    Ove all athletic programs. While in the Mountain west BYU had 139 overall championships and Utah had 39. There really is no comparison when it comes to athletic programs. That's why guys like Chris B hang on to the football time like they do. Besides Womens gymnastics there is just nothing on the hill to excite the fans. SCOREBORD BYU

  • Greg LCNM Las Cruces, New Mexico
    Nov. 8, 2013 3:28 a.m.

    Chris B. I'm surprised guys like you are interested in the program from the comment ;). Looks like you are limited out.

    " regional program whose national attention is limited to fellow church members and that hasn't ever sniffed BCS glory".

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    The winner of this game will be the one that plays the best defense and has the fewest turnovers which will lead them to score the most points!

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    Cougar Passion, I agree. Bronco Mendenhall has been very vocal about wanting to get all of the top LDS talent. For many reasons some of those kids go elsewhere, often to storied programs outside of the state. I'm with Bronco though, and would love to get all the top LDS kids. Because of how success does bring publicity, I'm always hoping we are stacked with the best LDS kids. I know they can do a lot of good at BYU and also at other schools. I believe that many of these kids make a prayerful decision about where to go and certainly many of them reflect positively wherever they may be. Having said that if Rocky's kids are anything like him, we missed out. I loved watching him at BYU. He was so fundamentally sound. Should be a tough fought game. Go Cougars!!!

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    To those who took exception with my comments, I should probably have elaborated. For greater detail, I am on at least one social media site that Greg Wrubell also uses, and from that you can find my old blog. But, to be reasonably brief, I have noted time and time again that the LDS Church receives a very high amount of positive publicity when BYU teams (especially in the most popular sports) do very well. It even happens when a top player runs afoul of the Honor Code and the suspension seriously damages the team's chances at success, as happened with the basketball team a couple of years ago. Conversely, little publicity came the Church's way when a high-profile football player was dismissed a few year's ago, because the team itself was not making national news. We all know that, all things equal, the teams do better with better players and depth. So, yes, there can be a very tangible effect on how others view our religion based on BYU getting all the top players it recruits. I don't know if that's important to everyone; it is important to my family.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Listening to Chris B makes me want even more for BYU to win this game. I've said it once and I'll keep saying it over and over again, that the best way to counter the haters is to win. Winning is the best antidote to their venom.

    @UCLA Bruin,
    4 Davey O'Brien award winners - Edge BYU
    7 Sammy Baugh award winners - Edge BYU
    1 Doak Walker Award and Jim Brown Trophy - Edge BYU
    2 Outland Trophy Winners - Edge BYU
    1 Maxwell Award Winner - Edge BYU

    You didn't say how many Utah won on each of the last categories so that's not fair! By the way,
    it seems to me the Ute fans are right after all about being the big brother. How can they not be if they are 30 years older than BYU in football, age wise? But how on earth did BYU win all those honors anyway? Didn't the Utes compete in the same conferences all those years too? Hmmm, something's not right!

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    The Last time BYU played Wisconsin in Wisconsin, BYU beat them on their homefield BYU-28 Wisconsin 3. Holmoe played in that game. It will be a repeat.

    Go Cougs!

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 7, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    BYU will win this game.

    Chris B, I love how U guys nag on BYU fans about looking back in history to boast of compliments. U can do it but BYU fans are not allowed. Kind of a double standard ain't it?

    You seem fixated on the term "BCS glory" That was five and nine years ago. What have U accomplished before, between, and since?......

    That's what I thought.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    " ...... whose national attention is limited to fellow church members and that hasn't ever sniffed BCS glory...... "

    And utah has "national attention"????? Get a grip.

    Chrissy - BYU has a National Championship. Nuff said.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Bring your A+ game Cougars, you're undermanned this year compared to Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin by 3 scores.

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    @ Chris B
    Win a National Title then you can be on our level!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Chris B

    Unlike U, BYU has been so successful in so many other achievements, that BYU doesn't have to gauge the success of its entire program on the results of a yearly head-to-head matchup with our little brothers on the hill.

    Of course, when you're satisfied with simply beating BYU, having a pathetic record of only FIVE lifetime AP Top 25 finishes really doesn't matter.

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Man, I can't wait for Saturday! Should be a great game, and I'm really hoping BYU pulls off the upset. Coach Anderson is a class act and I will root for Wisconsin (after Saturday) to do well the rest of the season. Same goes for the Biegel boys. :)

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Good for the Biegel boys! I'm sure they have a positive impact on that team & it will be a fun game for their dad too.
    If BYU stands a chance in this game, they need to spread the defense by getting as many people/positions involved in the offense, especially TE's and short to mid-range passes. That will keep their stout D honest for the run. We'll really miss JD on punts and in the slot. I'm think Ridley will be covering punts-- and hopefully they have to punt often. On defense, we should all be hoping their star receiver isn't quite ready to return so it turns them almost exclusively to the run. While they have a big O line, we can give them more than they're used to on run D. Can't wait for this game. Go Coug's!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:03 a.m.


    And what is byu's record against the team that doesn't belong in the Pac12, per you?


  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    "Utah and Wisconsin are similar programs,..."

    True they both are red and white.... Umm... that is where the similarity ends.

    Wisconsin actually competes in and occasionally wins their BCS conference.

    Wisconsin and BYU both have a national championship and a Heisman Trophy winner.

    Nice to see to nationally prominent football programs facing off on Saturday.

    No wonder it is the main game on ESPN on Saturday.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Here is the title of an article in Wisconsin
    "The Voice: They're not Big Ten, but BYU is big time"
    Have a great day.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    For ChrisB and his stats, be done already. Judge a program not the lame BCS. Utah 2013, Maybe 5-7 this year, maybe.

    BYU Football 1922 - Utah Football 1892, 30 years before BYU
    BYU 4 top 10s - Utah 3 - Edge BYU
    BYU 18 Top 25s, recent 2011 - Utah 5, recent 2010 - Edge BYU
    BYU 4 top 20 BCS rankings - Utah 3 - Edge BYU
    23 Conf titles, all 23 since 1964 - Utah 24, 6 in the WAC or MWC since 1964 - Edge BYU
    31 Bowls - 13 For Utah - Edge BYU
    0 BCS Bowls - Utah 2 - Edge Utah
    13 Bowl wins - 13 for Utah - Push
    1 National Ship's - Utah None - Edge BYU
    8 Hesiman Trophy Finalist - Utah 2 - Edge BYU
    1 Heisman Trophy - Utah 0 - Edge BYU
    As of 2008 146 BYU players in NFL, 48 played in Superbowls, 1 two time SB winner, 1 SB MVP - Utah 27 NFL, 5 played in SBs, 3 SB winners, 1 two time - Edge BYU
    4 Davey O'Brien award winners - Edge BYU
    7 Sammy Baugh award winners - Edge BYU
    1 Doak Walker Award and Jim Brown Trophy - Edge BYU
    2 Outland Trophy Winners - Edge BYU
    1 Maxwell Award Winner - Edge BYU

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    "Utah and Wisconsin are similar programs,..."

    Not even close.

    Wisconsin has been successfully competing in a big boy conference for decades.
    Utah has proven that they don't belong in a big boy conference - 8-15 in the PAC.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Utah and Wisconsin are similar programs, both have enjoyed multiple top 10 seasons and BCS glory in the last decade.

    When its a matchup of a program that has enjoyed BCS glory and top 10 seasons lately against a team that has never enjoyed BCS glory and hasn't had a single top 10 season in many years, pick the prestigious BCS program who has enjoyed BCS glory and top 10 seasons lately.

    Wisconsin 37
    byu 17

    Go Badgers!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    I think that this Saturdays game will be fun and competitive, but I think Wisconsin wins it.
    Hey Chris B
    Still waiting for the youtube fight song.
    it was marked down.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Not a surprise someone would pick a true prestigious national power Wisconsin over a regional program whose national attention is limited...
    I did not read that Utah recruited the kids...

    Interesting point Chris, but aren't you supposed to be bashing BYU, not the U?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    It is obvious that no one knows why these boys chose Wisconsin
    Perhaps they wanted to stay close to family.
    BYU's recruiting class always contain players who chose BYU over Power Conference schools.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Not a surprise someone would pick a true prestigious national power Wisconsin over a regional program whose national attention is limited to fellow church members and that hasn't ever sniffed BCS glory.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Good grief, Beigle is obviously a fan of wisconsin because he has sons playing there and lives there, he is obviously a fan of BYU because he and his brother played there and have religious ties to it.

    BYU heavily recruited the older son and lightly recruited, and did not offer, the younger son.

    Why do any of you have to read any more into it than that?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 7, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    I don't think you guys are taking into account all the positives a home state school can offer, especially when it is a top program. The idea that overall, Rocky's BYU experience may not have been spectacular is possible, but certainly not the only possibility.

    I say, it is what it is, and requires nothing more than surface reading.

    Nov. 7, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    @Cougar Passion:

    Are you saying that the best way to help "your religion" is to play for the church school? While I'm a BYU fan, I can see that one can do a lot of good by being a good example wherever they play. In a lot of cases they can probably do a lot more good playing somewhere other than BYU. Besides, it only mentioned that the older son was recruited by BYU and it doesn't say how heavily recruited.

    This should be a great game. Go Cougars!

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Nov. 7, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    Lighten up, boys. A father can't force his sons to go to BYU - I'm not sure the younger one was even offered a scholarship from BYU. We all have our free agency.

    I'll be at Camp Randall for the game Saturday - can't wait!

  • JoeCoug OREM, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 6:27 a.m.

    @Cougar Passion
    Please...in your household? Regional Pride? Come on, Rocky's son's, if active (and I have no idea), are most likely a blessing to that program. The hastening of the work of salvation across the country/globe needs great families like theirs in places like Lincoln. I'm assuming a lot here, but I've got to think that they're having a positive impact. Lighten up, friend. We're all in this together, and our church school has a pleothora of fine LDS student athletes to help the program succeed.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    @Wayne Rout:
    I think it's kind of dangerous to question whether Rocky is a "real Cougar", since we know nothing of his situation--or, possibly, how things went for him as a student and player. I admittedly was quite surprised, however, that Rocky's sons chose not to follow in Dad's footsteps; in my household, the recognition of what can be accomplished for your religion by helping the church school do well far outweighs helping to boost regional pride.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 6, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    I am not understanding how a real Cougar could cheer for Wisconsin. I was there the last time BYU played in Madison and the Cougars did very, hoping for the same score.