10 to tune in: The most intriguing non-conference matchups for local college basketball teams

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  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Chris B

    You're completely ignoring the fact that Bronco has THREE 11-win, Top 15 finishes, while Kyle only has ONE.

    Top 25 Finishes
    2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#4
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12
    2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
    2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
    2009 Utah(10-3) #18/#18
    2010 Utah((10-3) ur/#23
    2011 BYU(10-3) ur/#25

    #1 - BYU 1, Utah 0
    Top 5 - BYU 2, Utah 2
    Top 7 - BYU 3, Utah 2
    Top 10 - BYU 4, Utah 3
    Top 12 - BYU 8, Utah 3
    Top 15 - BYU 10, Utah 4
    Top 20 - BYU 14, Utah 5
    Top 25 - BYU 18, Utah 7

    AP Top 25
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Spin the logic however helps you sleep at night, but any way you slice it, BYU has DOMINATED U in Top 25 rankings.

    Call us when U get to double-digit AP Top 25 rankings; BYU reached that mark in 1991!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 10:36 a.m.


    Simply being in the top 25 isn't all that incredible. 25 teams do it every year. Byu fans act like a 25 rankings is essentially the same thing as a #2 final ranking with an undefeated season and bowl win over an SEC powerhouse Alabama team in a BCS Bowl

    By byu fans "logic", two #25 ranked seasons are better than a #1 season and then a #60 season because the first team had two top 25 teams and a better average ranking.


  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    U 90

    BYU fans ignore BCS wins because that's all you've got. Even during the height of your glory years, the Utes never managed to string together more than two AP Top 25 finishes in a row.

    Bronco had almost as many AP Top 25 finishes from 2006 to 2009 (four), as the Utes have had in their entire history (five).

    All-in-all, it simply proves that Utah's twin flash-in-the-pan BCS seasons were nothing more than an anomaly. The Utes quickly descended into unranked mediocrity after both seasons - after 2004, unranked in both polls for the next three seasons; after 2008, unranked in the AP since 2009.

    Despite Kyle's BCS bowl-winning season, Bronco has twice as many AP Top 25 finishes as Kyle.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:08 p.m.


    Kind of like how BYU fans ignore BCS wins, sweet sixteen, elite eight, final four and national championship appearances. It's a very strange sports line indeed.

    Nov. 7, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    BeSmart: "I am not understanding this logic"

    That's because there isn't any in this thread. Just childish bickering and posturing.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:10 p.m.


    In order to feel good about themselves, Utah fans have had to adopt this very strange sports time line:

    Nothing before 2004 counts in football - forget that BYU has dominated Utah in football for the last half century, it's not even close

    Nothing after 2005 counts in basketball - forget that BYU has dominated Utah in basketball for the last decade, it's not even close

    Just ignore the fact that Utah's 1998 NCAA finals run occurred barely a year after BYU's 1997 Cotton Bowl victory.

    BYU's Cotton Bowl winning, #5/#5 ranked football season is ancient history.
    Utah's loss to Kentucky in the 1998 NCAA finals is like yesterday.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 7, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Utah had some bad losses, and if I'm not mistaken all of the terrible losses were at the beginning of the season."

    Jan. 12 USC(14-18) 59-76
    Jan. 16 WSU(13-19) 65-75
    Feb. 6 OSU(14-18) 46-82

    Not exactly beginning of season.

    It doesn't matter whether you get a couple of A's, mostly C's, and a couple of D's on your quizzes and mid-terms, or all Cs, if your final grade is a C, it's still a C.

    Utah played an extremely weak OOC schedule in 2012 and started the conference season losing 13 out of 16 games. If you can't see how dismally your weak pre-conference schedule prepared U for PAC 12 play, I can't help you.

    Utah plays an equally dismal OOC schedule in 2013 and only leaves the HC ONCE before Jan 8th.

    If you think that weak-sauce schedule is going to prepare the Utes for the rigors of climbing out of the PAC 12 cellar, you're only fooling yourself.

    Thanks for the glance into the way-back machine, but you're not even good enough to get into the NCAA, let alone the final four.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 7, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Ok ok
    I am not understanding this logic
    Utah history in basketball is cool I will admit that.
    But Utah has been terrible for almost a decade, and BYU fans make fun of that but history show Utah is good and Ute fans embrace it.
    But in the same regard historically BYU is a great football program with a great history. The same fans who applaud the utes history mock BYU's football history when over the last decade BYU is 12th or something in foorball wins.
    I don't get how this makes any sense. History matters in this sport but not the other?
    So at Chris B. why does the logic not apply I would rather cheer for a BYU football team that has one National Title over a team that never has had one?
    Both fan bases have great things to cheer about.
    Go Utes and Cougs.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 1:51 p.m.


    Yes, Utah had some bad losses, and if I'm not mistaken all of the terrible losses were at the beginning of the season. By that I don't mean to suggest they don't count, just that it shows great improvement(kind of how you guys wish to think losing to Virginia isn't indicative of how horrible your football team is huh?)

    Still no answer as to why with Utah's horrible schedule we had more top 100 RPI wins than byu?

    Your team is just inept at getting big wins?

    And yes, I'll take a team with higher highs and lower lows than a consistent team without those highs anyday.

    For example, I'll gladly take a program that has final fours and then a bunch of horrible seasons over a team that hasn't sniffed a final four ever, anyday.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Chris B

    "BYU fans made fun of Utah's schedule last year too.

    And guess what?

    Utah had more RPI top 100 wins than BYU."

    And guess what? You conveniently overlooked Utah's multiple losses to RPI 225+ teams.

    Bottom line, 2012-13 Final RPI Rankings

    #65 BYU
    #92 Weber St
    #108 Utah St
    #152 Utah

    Despite your feeble attempts to minimize the WCC, the conference is ranked around 10th or 11th, not as high as the PAC 12, but high enough to get multiple bids to the NCAA tournament.

    The record speaks for itself:

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145 overall

    During the Rose era:

    BYU 209-66 (76%), EIGHT 20+ win seasons, SIX NCAA, TWO NIT, FOUR conf champ
    Utah 116-137 (46%), ONE 20+ win season, ONE NCAA, ZERO NIT, ONE conf champ

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Isnt it funny that Weak Coast Conference teams mock the OUT of conference schedule for teams in big boy conferences.

    Ya, and the SEC in football doesn't schedule many big teams OUT of conference in the regular season, and yet they're still the best conference and still have the best teams. They play enough of a gauntlet in the regular season.

    Unlike Weak Coast Conference teams.


  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:06 a.m.


    byu fans made fun of Utah's schedule last year too.

    And guess what?

    Utah had more RPI top 100 wins than byU.

    How do you explain that?

    Either byu's schedule was pretty weak also or byu is just completely inept at getting top 100 RP wins?


    Thanks in advance for your answer.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    With that pathetically weak pre-conference schedule that Chris Hill has arranged, Utah will have a better chance of finishing with a winning record, but Utah's RPI will suffer a huge hit in the process, making it very unlikely that the Utes will be able to climb into the RPI top 100, and therefore, no chance for an at-large tournament bid.

    Best case scenario for the Utes: 8-2 OOC, 7-11 PAC, 15-13 overall with a very slim chance for the NIT if they can win a game or two in the conference tourney.

    Once again, it'll be conference auto bid or bust for the Utes' NCAA hopes.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Except for BYU and Boise St (Utah's only OOC road game), the Utes play one of the weakest OOC schedules in the country, guaranteeing the Utes at least 10 wins, but leaving them woefully unprepared to step into conference play.

    BYU's OOC schedule includes Weber St, Utah St, and Utah (Utah is too scared to play the other in-state schools), along with Stanford, Texas, Iowa St, U Mass, and Oregon.


    Joe Lunardi of ESPN is already projecting BYU as a #10 seed and Weber St as a #13 seed in the Big Dance.

    No mention of the Utes.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    byu against Oregon and Stanford?


    Utah has each of those. TWICE

  • Aggie 4 Life North Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    A little surprised that the Mississippi State game at Utah State didn't make the list. How often do you see a SEC team making the trip to Logan....? Come on Desnews. The list looks great except for that game being left off!