Richard Davis: Like the Red Sox, Democrats can win again in Utah

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  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    When a friend of mine ran as a Democrat for the state legislature and she was afraid to put the donkey symbol on her literature, that about said it all...It took the Red Sox 86 years to win a World Series, sounds about right, save Matheson, for a Democrat to win anything substantial.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:58 p.m.


    I Don't disagree with you main point. I am not saying that the parties do a good job representing the people. I actually am a believer in the term, "low information voter." And I believe the T-Party has been the most effective grass roots political movement in recent times. My point is that had the T-Party run as a third party instead of a part of the Republican Party, they would not have won the House, but would have cost the Republican Party many seats that they currently have. I'am saying that the power structure is in either of the two major parties, and that trying to run a third party candidate usually ends up bad for the political side you happen to be on. Look at Perot. Got almost one fifth of the total vote, which probably got Clinton elected, and his Reform Party got nothing in return.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    As long as Mormons believe you have to be a Republican to be on the Lord's side, a democrat will never win. As a matter of fact, I bet most Mormons don't even bother to listen. How people can feel that one party is the party of God is something I will never understand, but we all know why it happens. They get one little hint from certain people, and that is all they need. Good grief!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    SCFan: Your wrong. Unfortunately, most who belong to a party haven't a clue as to what has been happening the past half century. Party platforms are meaningless. Fortunately, there are those who are actually standing for something, rather than just talking about it, and the parties people call them extremists, Tea-party, uncompromising destroyers of the fabric of America. That all stands to reason when you realize that for both parties, it is not about representing the 'people', but maintaining power and control. The last thing that parties represent are the 'people,' unless, of course, if enough of the 'people' go along with giving up liberty for security.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:42 a.m.


    That may be a good political philosophy, but in the politics today, it is the two major parties that get people elected. In Virginia, the elected governor McCaulif got less votes than the Republican and the 3rd party guy, who was really a Democrat financed plant meant to take votes away from the Republican, and it worked. 3rd parties usually only serve to deny the majority in either party their candidate winning. In 2000 Ralph Naders party denied Gore the election. If you are not involved in one of the two major parties, then you are not involved. There really is no useful 3rd choice in American politics today.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    @Kent C. DeForrest

    Blaming Republicans (or their constituency) for Democrat woes will not solve Democrat problems (or win a constituency) and merely insure Republicans will continue to win.

    It is the job of the party to attract voters - not vice versa

    So thank you (and your "likes") for perfectly illustrating why Democrats do not win in Utah.

  • oxymoron Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Political parties are an organization structure, not think tanks. Utah Democrats represent a wide variety of thoughts and perspectives about how to get problems solved. In reading these comments, I'm blown away at the stereotypes that the posters are using to describe Democrats. I don't know many run-of-the-mill Democrats who wouldn't protect a child - born or not - or who believe in taking freedom away. Truly sad state of affairs when all thinking goes out the window and we have to use rhetoric and labels to describe things we don't understand.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    You're all living in the past. The future belongs to those who don't delegate their thinking to any party. Where are the real patriots that can actually stand up for something without insecurely running to the nearest democratic or republican flag for support? What a pathetic way to live! Don't you have something better to do with your time than to jump on an empty bandwagon (party platforms) that has long, long, long ago died? George Washington said, "However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion." Enough said! Of course, Utahns who otherwise speak in meek terms about George Washington will ignore what he said here! After all, it is a different age, isn't it?

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    The fundamental difference between the parties is free choice. Democrats do not believe in it unless it involves the ability to flush an unborn child down the sink. Democrats want the government to control every aspect of our lives. How many people are losing their health insurance because the Democrats have decided it is not good enough. Why shouldn't a singe guy pay twice as much to get maternity coverage? Yes, the Democrats know what is good for you and you must comply.

    No thanks. I already voted against the "we wil force you to do the right thing" plan once.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 6, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    @ atl 134 According to a report on CNN, here are the cities with the highest number of welfare recipients;
    #1. Detroit, MI
    #2. Buffalo, NY
    #3. Cincinnati, OH
    #4. Cleveland, OH
    #5. Miami, FL
    #6. St. Louis, MO
    #7. El Paso, TX
    #8. Milwaukee, WI
    #9. Philadelphia, PA
    #10.Newark, NJ

    All run by Democrats! Coincidence?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    @ E Sam

    "The Red Sox won, in part, by growing out their beards. Don't see that working in Utah."

    The facial hair sported by the Red Sox resembled what was in vogue here in the mid 19th century or currently in Pakistan.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    The party supports the candidates with money and manpower. Any Democrat who runs must either be a millionaire and self fund or be "beholden" to the party for the support and adhere to the party platform, written and understood.

    I am not so much a Republican as a conservative and know the Republican party is not by nature conservative but I can live with them. Democrats since 1968 have become socialistic in nature and I cannot support them.

    IMO those in ivory towers of education appear to see a different society than the one I live in. I am uncomfortable with their espoused values and identified leaders. Changing the singer will not change the song if the conductor remains in the lead.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    It seems most commenters approached this from a national perspective but locally is really the only place the average person has any influence. I'm not a native but I love living in Utah. It's a great place to have a family and seems to be fairly well run and prosperous. What exactly are Republicans doing wrong here? Do we need more urban blight so Provo can be like Gary, IN or Detroit, MI? Am I missing something? Do we need more abortion clinics? I say if it ain't broke don't fix it.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    I actually had this very conundrum just a few years ago. As an Independent who generally leans right and votes Republican, I knew personally Dave Thomas and his family when he ran for Congress against Rob Bishop. Dave Thomas was a Bishop at the time, very successful businessman, hunter, former teacher, and just a really good guy. I love Dave and his family. When I found out he was running for congress, it weighed heavily on my mind. Would I vote for Dave who was a Democrat and would be expected to vote the Democrat party line or Rob Bishop who I more closely aligned with politically. After nights of soul searching, I finally voted for Rob Bishop because of the National Democrat Party. Unfortunately, the reality is, the national parties run the agenda. Until the national Democrat party more closely aligns with Utah values, they will be a minority in Utah.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Oh, and Joe, I wasn't necessarily referring to you with my "uninformed" comment, but I was indeed talking about lots of my neighbors, who vote "R" but don't take the time to find out anything about what's going on politically, economically, or otherwise in this country.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 4:02 p.m.


    I have, believe me. Put forth arguments, that is. And lots of them. In fact, what I was writing way back in 1995 is more relevant today than it was then. I'd call that a pretty good track record.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    "When Utah gets more welfare recipients, then the Democrats will win elections"

    The state with the highest percentage of people not paying any income taxes is Mississippi, not exactly a liberal stronghold... in fact Romney won 8 out of 10 states with the highest percentages of their people not paying income taxes (Obama won Florida and New Mexico, the ones that Romney won were Idaho and southern states). So yeah... funny joke, but it's not based on you know... facts.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    I think a better analogy would be "democrats have a chance of winning in Utah like the Cubs have of winning the World Series"...not going to happen soon.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    For the Democrats to win in Utah, they usually have to pretend that they aren't who they are. They have tried this in recent elections, but lots of people aren't buying it.

  • One of a Few Layton, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Once gay marriage is not issue - within the next 5 years, all the R's will have is abortion. With access to B control under ACA, abortion should become less of an issue. Then when the world doesn't implode within the next 10 years and Generation Xers start to retire and realize SS and Medicare are kind nice to have, the country and probably UT will start to look fondly at the Democratic party. Mix in new Hispanic citizens under immigration reform and one can almost imagine demise of the conservative Republican party as it is currently known.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 6, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    When Utah gets more welfare recipients, then the Democrats will win elections. Obamacare insurance subsides will help.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    The Red Sox won, in part, by growing out their beards. Don't see that working in Utah.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    Nowhere did the article talk about reaching out to the tea party. Why are you making stuff up?

    Yes, BO is an extreme left-wing ideologue. Guess you missed where he was consistently rate THE most liberal senator when he occupied that office.

    How mistaken you are. Most Utahans view the GOP as the only viable alternative to the dems. THAT is why they garner so much support, because dem policies and agendas are so anathema to Utahans.

    There you go again,
    Cannot argue the statement, so you attack a news channel that has editorial opinions with which you disagree. SUCH a compelling argument! WOW, you’ve won me over.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    No. No. No. It will do no good for the democrats to transform themselves into republicans.

    The people of Utah and America need leaders who are facing forward to the future and not those who are living in the past. The people have been moved into the future by the technology, the creativity and pure brain power of human kind; it’s time that the systems of civilization catch up.

    Those of desirable and comfortable positions in our society would like to keep things just as they are. They would be even happier if we would return to the rule of lords and ladies, kings and subjects and such classifications. We cannot allow that to happen. Republicans, Tea Party and conservatives are their henchmen.

    The leaders needed must be willing to change the rules and the values to fit the world now and in the future. A new way of delivering the benefits of civilization and society to its members must be created to replace the slavery systems of the past. Physical and even mental labors are no longer proper measurements of a persons worth and should be eliminated from the equation.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    There You Go Again: Of course Republicans from states with largely liberal constituents do the same thing. I never said they didn't.

    Kent C. Deforrest, et al.: I am conservative and I support government policies and officials that are more closely aligned with my personal beliefs. I have educated myself on the issues by studying, listening to a variety of sources, and from personal experience. I don't vote or think a certain way just because of something I heard on Fox News or because LDS leaders tend to lean republican. I am sick of insinuations like yours that every conservative is a stupid drone that is easily duped by talk radio.

    Disagree if you like. Put forth valid arguments that support your cause. But quit trying to marginalize the opposition with such destructive rhetoric.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    As long as the LDS first presidency and the Council of the 12 remain almost entirely republican, most LDS voters will vote republican like they do now.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 9:44 a.m.


    Thanks for the rush, fox news entertainment, drudge update!


    "...Utah voters know that even moderate Democrats like Jim Matheson will vote the majority of the time along party lines when their vote really counts. They will go against their party and side with their constituents only when they know that it doesn't matter. That way they can use those votes to show how moderate they are in the next election...".

    republicans never work this gambit?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    All we have to do is wait 86 years.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Sorry to say I disagree with Richard on this one. As long as most Utahns think GOP stands for God's Only Party, they will continue to be uninformed on the issues and simply vote straight-ticket "R" because it's the "R"ighteous thing to do.

    And JoeC2, you've been watching too much Faux News and listening to too much echo-chamber music on the radio.

    Nov. 6, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Yes Obama and Clinton are extreme left-wing ideologues. They know that they can't get their entire left wing agenda passed all at once, so they are content to get their in stages. Obamacare is just a step towards single payer.

    Nov. 6, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Obama and Clinton are "extreme left-wing ideologues"?

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    I always find myself on the opposite side of the Democrats. They will not defend the unborn. They will not defend traditional marriage. They will not live within their means. They believe the answer to everything is to raise taxes. They want to control my healthcare options. They will not work with Republicans. Not one, of the more than 22 amendments to the ACA, proposed by Republicans was accepted by Democrats, not one. They lie to get their bills passed (you can keep your insurance and doctors). They support weird laws that would allow boys to use girls' restrooms and girls to use boys' restrooms. How does this make our girls safe from any sexual predator claiming to be what he is not?

    Democrats in Utah have a huge hurdle to overcome to get my vote.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Until the Democratic party stops fully supporting every extreme left wing agenda item that comes down the pipe, it will always be at odds with the majority of Utah voters.

    The media loves to blast the tea party and other conservative groups by saying how "far to the right" that some elements of the GOP are trying to pull the party. But they also give a complete pass to every extremist left wing group that is pulling the Democratic party farther and farther left.

    All the major democratic leaders these days (Obama, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, etc,) are extreme left wing ideologues yet the media tries to portray them as some kind of moderates.

    Utah voters know that even moderate Democrats like Jim Matheson will vote the majority of the time along party lines when their vote really counts. They will go against their party and side with their constituents only when they know that it doesn't matter. That way they can use those votes to show how moderate they are in the next election.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Nov. 6, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    Why bother reaching out to the tea party, which is self-immolating. At some point, if it wants to be politically relevant on a national stage, Utah will have to change.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 4:38 a.m.

    It is all about possessing the same values as their electorate and right now the national party is so different that the local party doesn't stand a chance. As long as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi run the national party statewide democrats are probably just a figment of our imagination.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 6, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    Many Utah Democrats are anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. They still tend to lose.