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  • Jeff Temple City, CA
    Nov. 5, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    @ sharrona, continued: Moreover, I wonder, what with the many real evils in the world today, you want to continue insisting on attacking the Church doctrinally. It is perfectly possible for us to have profound disagreements on doctrinal issues and still cooperate on moral issues. You have often written posts in which you and I agree on moral issues.

    Those in the world who hate sincere Christians (including Mormons), Jews, Muslims and others with strong faith and morals--those who would destroy the family as an institution, those who would kill the unborn, who would glorify personal sexuality over time-tested morality; those who steal and kill for political gain; those who would call evil good and good evil--these people are aided and abetted by people of faith who would rather fight over doctrinal differences than work together for the common good.

    I acknowledge our doctrinal differences. I am satisfied that you believe that the doctrines I believe in will send me to hell. I am not at all bothered by that in comparison to how much I believe we should work together for good in this world and leave our doctrinal consciences to God.

  • Jeff Temple City, CA
    Nov. 5, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    Sharrona and donn (who often write similar things, who come from the same place, who share almost identical diction, and who clearly believe the same things): As a scholar, I respect that we have differing interpretations of what is written, and we have differing responses to the process and result of translation. I would probably enjoy discussing those with you in a personal conversation. I think it might be interesting and enlightening.

    As a person who was raised by people who hated the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and as someone who constantly heard and endured anti-Mormon diatribes from multiple sources, and as someone who was perfectly willing to read anything written by anti-Mormons because I felt that I needed to get to the bottom of it all, I must tell you that I am at the bottom of it all. I am not moved at all by what you write. I mean no disrespect toward you, and I wouldn't say this except that you are addressing me personally, but you are really not telling me something I haven't heard before (many many many times), and it is not important to me.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    RE: Jeff, “read Greek.” The only one I know of is Dr. Stan Larson and he left the church.

    We have accurate well- preserved Copies of the original text. There are some 5,500 early N.T. MS, and they contain all or nearly all of the original text. The original text can be reconstructed 99% accuracy. There is a distinction between the text and the truth of the text. While we have 99% of the original text, 100 % of the truth comes through..

    Over 26,000 N.T. quotes from the(2nd c) disciples of the apostles and early church fathers can reconstruct the N.T. less 11 verses.

    The original A of F #8 We believe in the Word of God recorded in the Bible; we also believe the Word of God recorded in the Book of Mormon….”

    (John 4:24)God [is] spirit. ( *pneuma ο theos). There is ‘*no article’ in the Greek text before the word spirit, and that emphasizes the quality or essence of the word. The word spirit occurs first in the sentence for emphasis. The literal idea would be like, “Absolutely spirit in His essence.

  • Jeff Temple City, CA
    Nov. 4, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    @ Sharrona: I've lived in several university wards where there were many accomplished people, some of whom, I am sure, could read Greek.

    The Church publishes a version of the scriptures with the King James Version, the original Greek and Hebrew, and transliterations. It certainly qualifies as the Church encouraging people to research thoroughly.

    Since I believe in modern revelation, I am not troubled at all by differing interpretations of the ancient languages as you want me to be.

    My PhD is in modern literatures and languages; I have no facility with ancient languages, but I have some understanding of the nature of translation. I also know enough about translation to use it to elucidate my understanding of the scriptures, but not as a basis of my testimony. Sorry to disappoint you in that way.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    RE: Jeff, I've always been encouraged by Church leaders to research as exhaustively as possible?
    I never met anybody in my Ward who could read Greek let alone familiar with lower criticism, have you? E.g...
    LDS KJV, Heb 11:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his *b, person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the *e ,right hand of the Majesty on high;
    b. TG God, Body of, Corporeal Nature. Wrong,(Greek 5287) hypostasis= a substance, real being, essence
    e. actually, The right hand of God is an anthropomorphism. a "Hebrew Idiom." a figure of speech like, "he's my right hand man." In the Hebrew this idiom denotes power and strength.
    The Greek term DEXIOS is used about 52 times in the N.T.. It is in fact an indication of relationship, or orientation, and is translated idiomatically into "right hand" almost universally in the N. T., although the term CHEIR (kheir, Strongs #5495) which literally translates to "hand" does not appear in any of the references to the "right hand of God".

    Nov. 3, 2013 4:14 a.m.

    Dear Liz, Heidi, Rebecca: Truly you are messengers from God! It is Sunday in China. First day of Diwali in India, celebrated by families performing traditional activities together at home. My family is still asleep. How I miss them. I arrived in China from India yesterday. It is fast Sunday, but nowhere to take sacrament. Today I awoke with a troubling thought. How, after thriving with disability and being so very blessed, do I still get so lost? The prompting to connect (literally) was unmistakable. I saw the link to the article and read your heartfelt counsel, Liz (if we ask him how we can use what we have to be a part of things, he will inspire us to know). Watching General Conference online, I was powerfully reminded of His personal mindfulness. In two weeks our nephew (now living with us) will be baptized. In two months our eldest daughter will also be baptized. They will both have times of doubt and I will be grateful to help. I texted a video message to my family to say how much I love and miss them. Today, I received answers to questions I did not know I had. Thank you.

  • Jeff Temple City, CA
    Nov. 1, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    @ JD: Which leaders do you work with? I can't think that the Church is that different in Colorado from the places I've lived in. I've always been encouraged by Church leaders to research as exhaustively as possible.

    Do you mean that Church leaders discourage people from going to sources that are demonstrably inaccurate? I would accept that observation. My Church leaders always spoke of the relative accuracy and inaccuracy of a source, but I was free to examine it if I wanted.

    Therein is part of the problem with the internet. Even the public schools have to take time to teach kids to be careful of information on the 'net and to verify sources.

    I appreciate that the Church is willing to embrace technology (for both religious and secular purposes), at the same time being aware of the benefits and drawbacks of the technology in question.

    @ The Scientist: I submit that nothing is "ruining the Church." Not the internet, not apostacy, not politics, not Prop 8, not anything anyone could name. The Church is growing and thriving in much the same way it has been doing for nearly two centuries, only more so

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    kvnsmnsn wrote:

    "I find it ironic that so many of the LDS Church's critics are saying the Internet is going to destroy the LDS Church, and here our leaders are urging us to get on the Internet to spread the gospel message."

    Yes, and that is what is ruining the Church. Have you read many of the comments LDS make on news articles and in responses to others?

  • J.D. Aurora, CO
    Oct. 31, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    In all fairness, these leaders still don't encourage exhustive internet research. So yes they are saying use the internet to promote the faith, but don't look at anything that is not faith promoting. I find that the Jehovah's Witnesses use the same approach.

  • kvnsmnsn Springville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    I find it ironic that so many of the LDS Church's critics are saying the Internet is going to destroy the LDS Church, and here our leaders are urging us to get on the Internet to spread the gospel message.

  • southern son SHARPSBURG, MD
    Oct. 31, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Wondeful article!I use my linkedin as a 'missinoary tool'. My connections are from around the world and many are of other Christian sects, as well as LDS. I am upfront and direct about my LDS faith.This leads to my online galleries containing my art, which is overwhelming LDS in theme from the Book of Mormon.This has not discouraged those from other faiths to sign on with me.On the contrary.I also do works from the Founding,CW era and the Christ which has established a 'common ground' with those of other faiths.It has allowed a wonderful communication to evolve.