Brad Rock: Jazz, Corbin need to make playoffs the benchmark

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  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    Long Term: Some errors in your thinking.

    Jazz fans forget Tim Duncan came to a winning team. The won the division the year before David Robinson's injury. Duncan came to a competitor. Young players don't win championships unless they come to competitive teams. More typical examples are Michael Jordan (7 years) or LeBron (changed teams).

    Jazz fans forget OKC hasn't won a championship. Jeff Green, James Harden, and others are gone for financial reasons. Next year, the Jazz have to pay Favors and Hayward. The year after, they have to pay Kanter and Burks. Soon after, they have to pay Burke and the 2014 draft choice as they finish their rookie contracts. 2-4 of those players will leave for financial reasons. Then an injury (think Westbrook) takes out one of the remaining stars. Meanwhile other teams continue to improve their rosters. OKC now faces good Clippers, Rockets, and Warriors teams, lottery teams until recently. Before you know it, your window is closing.

    Talk to me when OKC actually wins something. Frankly, I think that ship has sailed for them.

  • Jay Linds Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    Good information in this article but sorry Rock, your conclusion is wrong. Making the playoffs is not the goal. Who cares if the Jazz make the playoffs just to get bounced in the first round? This year is all about setting the Jazz up for the future. This years focus should be to develop the young talent and hopefully in the process, the Jazz lose a lot so they can get a good pick next year. We will have lots of expiring contracts and plenty of money to try and sign one or two good free agents.

    One thing that I don't understand is why the Jazz even bother playing Richard Jefferson. He is difficult to watch because he is so bad and won't be a part of the future of the Jazz, so why not give his minutes to some of the younger players?

  • Long term Kimberly, ID
    Oct. 30, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    If the Jazz play the young guys this year and get both top 5 pick and a top 25 pick, then they will have an opportunity to amass more young talent than anyone in the league. Having more young talent than anyone and that adding experience sounds just like OKC. That is the only way to prolonged success in Utah. Just ask OKC and San Antonio. They are the models and frankly Utah was their model with Karl and John. If you want to have the Jazz try to to but or trade for hall-of-fame talent, you are truly dreaming.

    It is not hard to realize that including a high draft in 14, the Jazz have Favors, Kanter, Hayward, as likely all-star talent. They have Burks and Burke excellent talent. The 14 pick should have a floor at the Burks level and a ceiling at the hall-of-fame. That sounds good to me. OKC is the only roster in the league I would trade for as is in three years that is not a bad place to be.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    Playoffs?!? Playoffs!? you kidding me?

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs? Get real.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    So if you really believe that, why won't you take my bet that I've had on the table since the Golden State trade. I'm willing to bet $1000 against the first taker that the Jazz will never appear in the NBA finals while Favors and Hayward are on the team. My premise is that they will get frustrated with the culture of losing and find greener pastures in free agency. My premise is that the Jazz will do the same thing next summer that they did this summer; namely, they will wait for the expensive free agents are off the market and then determine that what's left isn't going to get them a championship. Once they reach that point, they will begin looking at how the can maintain cap flexibility in the summer of 2015 so they'll acquire some expiring contracts for has-been players and play another year waiting for the superstar they hope will fall into their laps. Whoever they draft will stay with the team for their rookie contract and then move on via free agency or force a trade, ala LeBron, Bosh, Paul, Howard, Carmelo, Howard, et al.

  • xxJazzAddict05xx heber, ut
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:28 p.m.


    Of course we aren't going to get a superstar in free agency but we can get some solid veteran pieces that can help the young guys grow and make the playoffs in the years to come. Getting a top 5 pick in this years draft and then picking up a couple solid veterans in the off season is the best path I see to getting back to the conference finals.

    Creating a "losing culture" ? Haha, not at all. This is what needs to happen to build a championship team. The worst thing we can do is win 40 games a year for the next decade. The Jazz aren't looking to settle for mediocrity and we won't be a team losing on purpose. We are young and I expect to see a lot of improvement this year but we won't win a ton

  • Man in Charge Chihiuahua, 00
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Xavier Henry is a product of Mike D'antoni's failed run and gun offense that will never win a championship.

  • Man in Charge Chihiuahua, 00
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    "There were lots of reasonably priced free agents this year that could have gotten the Jazz into the second round or even the conference finals."

    Who? OJ Mayo? Andrew Bynum? Nikolai Pekovic? No they wouldn't have gotten the Jazz out of the first round if they even made the playoffs at all.

    They want to tank for a superstar if they don't already have one. The heck with playoffs. It's all pointless with 2nd or 3rd tier player like Jefferson and Millsap.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    What exactly do you think the Jazz will be able to get with their money next summer? Not LeBron or Carmelo, or Nowitzki, or Kobe, or Wade, or Bosch. Especially coming off a 26-win season. They'll be able to get about what they could have gotten this year or a little worse because of the "losing culture" they are grooming.

  • xxJazzAddict05xx heber, ut
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    No way are we going to make the playoff and we shouldn't come close. A 13th pick won't do us any good. We need to get experience and grow this year but lose. If we can get a top 5 pick then we have a lot of options moving forward. There will be a lot of money that we can spend next year with expiring contracts. We have some good pieces and a top five pick this year will set us up nicely for the next 5 years. Rock could not be any more wrong. Getting an 8th seed in the playoff will keep us in the same spot for years to come

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    I think I get it. If I use the less than symbol, DN message boards think that is end of message.

    Xavier Henry's salary this year is less than $1M. Last night was only one game so we still don't know if he can bring it every night. But $1M would have been a cheap bet for a young player with a lot of potential that has yet to be proven.

    Instead of the Jazz decided to hoard their money in hopes of signing LeBron or Carmelo next summer. Ain't gonna happen. There were lots of reasonably priced free agents this year that could have gotten the Jazz into the second round or even the conference finals.

    I still don't see what the fans of our front office see.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Sorry. for some reason DN (who also seems inept at times) cut off the end of my post.

    This year's salary for Xavier Henry?

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    This has nothing to do with what God gave the Jazz. It has everything to do with what an inept Jazz front office gave to Jazz fans - the middle finger.

    By the way, Xavier Henry was one of the guys I was clamoring for the Jazz to acquire as an unrestricted free agent during the off-season. He was hot the year he was drafted. In fact, Jazz fans were drooling over the chance to get him. He had a couple of disappointing years. But I said we could take a chance and get him cheap and he would fit into our youth movement. Last night, he had 22 points to lead the Lakers to victory. This year's salary?

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    It will be interesting. The "Baby Jazz" will have a rocky time to be sure. I watched Miami and you have to wonder if they will shut out the Jazz. Nevertheless, you go with what God gave you and do your best. At this stage, that is all that will be expected of Corbin. He is a good teacher for young players. However, he is not the long term answer to be sure. A Doc Rivers type would be in order. Corbin is from the Ray Meyers School of Coaching. He has character but is not aggressive enough. The Jazz need to dig up Al McGuire and put him on the bench.