Uteologyhmmm, since overall record the past three years is
comparable, head-to-head, as in 9 in a row, 18 of 24, is completely meaningless,
as is, apparently, SOS, even though Utah has only played a single BCS conference
team OOC, and ASU has played SIX.ASU OOC:California-Davis,
Missouri, and Illinois in 2011Northern Arizona, Illinois, and Missouri in
2012Sacramento State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame in 2013Utah
OOC:Montana State, BYU, and Pittsburgh in 2011Northern Colorado,
Utah State, and BYU in 2012Weber State, Utah State, and BYU in 2013You should really publish a rules guide so we know which set of rules
applies only to Utah versus BYU, and which set applies to Utah versus everybody
Uteology"ASU is +2 in wins. Wow! That's impressive... Yes,
ASU has OWNED us but so has most of the mid-upper PAC-12 teams."It's hilarious how dismissive Utah fans are of head-to-head results when
you're not talking about Utah's recent history versus BYU. U talk of "owning" BYU because you've won 4 in a row (3 of them
by a total of 11 points)?Seriously?Let me explain what
it's really like to be OWNED.In Utah's 1st two years in
the PAC 12, ASU beat Utah 35-14 and 37-7, a 51-point differential. That's a larger margin in the last two games, than the Utes managed in
their six wins versus ASU COMBINED, 41 points.But it's even
worse than that. The Sun Devils are 18-6 lifetime versus Utah and
have beaten the Utes NINE straight times. In fact, ASU hasn't
lost to Utah since 1976, when the Sun Devils were still members of the WAC. Utah is WINLESS (0-8) versus the PAC 10/12 Sun Devils and have been
blown out by ASU in both games since the Utes joined the PAC 12.
UteologyAs a Utes and cougs fan I have to begin questioning the Pac-12
depth question.Utah is playing with 3 classes of Pac-12 recruiting.So most of the team is Pac-12 talent. and I count 17 seniors.so roughly
20 percent is not pac-12 give or take a few.I hope the Utes do well, but I
am concerned the Utes 1st year was the best they had in conference with MWC
recruits.I think there is more of an issue than Pac-12 depth and talent
though the utes do have some talented pieces.
@CougarSunDevilAnd with that I'm done for the next week. I
don't need to say anything else because, unlike Utah, ASU talks with how
they play. It's super fun to look at the standings in the PAC-12
south...ASU is #1!-------------Since Utah joined:ASU: 6-7, 8-5, 5-2 (19-14)Utah: 8-5, 5-7, 4-4 (17-16)ASU is +2 in wins. Wow! That's impressive.We don't
have PAC-12 depth or talent, what is your excuse? Yes, ASU has OWNED us but so
has most of the mid-upper PAC-12 teams.
At MrPlateYou and your wife aren't messing with anybody's
mind; don't kid your self!
Samurai Jake:My friend from Goergia, specifically Atlanta doesn't
care about the utes or follow them. Obviously he knows the pac12 but like most
people only sees or hears about the elite programs from that conference...not
Utah.Any CFB fan that doesn't see the SEC or care that they are
kicking everyone's behind on the only prize that matters is delusional, or
purposely avoidant of reality. You say you're sick of them? Ya, that's
usually what happens when you've been beaten down and taken to the woodshed
so often. Your best teams haven't competed against their best teams in
recent history and until they do get used to being "sick of them".As for SEC fans west of the Mississippi, there are plenty...unless you
have your head in the sand which would be understandable for a ute fan right
@UteanymousYou're still not getting it, the celebration must be
IN THE STREETS! Don't you see the vital importance of the celebrations
happening in the streets? Also, it must be the first game of the season. Also,
the opponent must not be ranked at the end of the season. Also, the coach must
say something to the fans in the streets. Also, it must involve a D1 school of
equal or better tradition. Under these very specific terms, clearly BYU has the
ONLY fan base who would do such a thing, because Uteology can't think of
another similar event. And who else in the history of football has
ever blamed the rain for a loss? That's just the most bizarre, unlikely
excuse of all time. Snow, cold, heat, humidity, sleet, slush, wind, every
conceivable other weather condition - yes, naturally! But RAIN? C'mon,
everyone knows rain is obviously the only weather condition that could NEVER be
lamely blamed for a loss, except by Cougar Nation. Why can't
everyone see how brilliant it is for Uteology to have found the pieces that
finally prove beyond all doubt the foolishness of Cougar Nation? Who can
UteanymousYou forgot...2012 - Utah fans storm the field
THREE Times after BYU misses a field goal. I think that event alone
was enough to make Utah the joke of the Pacific Conference. Why would they storm
the field at all (let alone three times) against such a terrible and
insignificant school? And with that I'm done for the next week.
I don't need to say anything else because, unlike Utah, ASU talks with how
they play. It's super fun to look at the standings in the PAC-12
south...ASU is #1!GO Devils!
Oct 2, 2008 - Utah fans storm the field and celebrate after beating Oregon
StateNov 9, 2008 - Utah fans storm the field and celebrate after beating
TCUNov 22, 2008 - Utah fans storm the field and celebrate after beating
BYUJan 16, 2009 - Utah fans throw themselves a parade after beating
AlabamaSep 5, 2009 - Utah fans whine about BYU fans celebrating a win over
UteologyDateline: Deseret News, Tuesday, Jan. 6 2009"The Utah football team will be honored with a parade in downtown Salt
Lake City on Friday, Jan. 16. The parade will begin at 3 p.m. and will end in
Washington Square."Utah throwing themselves a formal parade for
beating the SEC runner-upversus A few BYU fans
spontaneously celebrating a win over then #3-ranked Oklahoma and their Heisman
Trophy winning quarterback?Seriously?Get a life already
if that's all you've got to quibble about FIVE years after the fact.
Wow Uteolgy - I apologize for messing with your mind. Even I didn't fully
realize how rabidly you would cling to "BYU fans are the ONLY ones
who..." but your responses were otherwise rather predictable. Yesterday you
said: "I quoted Tysom Hill for blaming his abysmal passing due to bad
weather" In response, I found a college player who blamed weather conditions
for a loss. This, knowing full well you'd then refine the parameters and
further restrict the search criteria. You didn't disappoint.Using Appalachian State, I met your laughably ridiculous claim that only BYU
fans party in the streets following a great season-opening victory, knowing full
well you would mock BYU for acting like a D2 school, and suggest it therefore
doesn't count. Right on cue, you follow script.BTW - I never
said I found many teams in 2.5 minutes of research. Just another predictable
word-twisting Strawman tactic. The point is how easy it was to find something to
prove your provincialism. Too easy of pickins, and 2.5 minutes is all this game
was worth.Respond if you feel compelled. I'm happy to leave
our brief legacy in the hands of the readers. Good night.
@Cougsndawgs/MrPlateTysom and Cougar Nation clearly blamed the rain.
I clearly said rain. They didn't say heat or even cold.I am
still waiting for another team that says rain affected their game. Not the
heat, or the cold weather. I am aware of plenty of teams affected by heat and
cold:* BYU drinking pickle juice in the heat vs Mississippi State* Warm weather team ULCA getting hammered in the cold in Utah.* Even in
the NFL, playing in the cold in Green Bay or Chicago, etc. I
don't recall anyone blaming the rain, except Cougar Nation. I
said my bad, I forgot about Appalachian State. I stand corrected. You claimed
you found many teams in 2.5 minutes of research. I asked list those teams, so
we can all have a laugh at 1-0 celebrations. Right now, for giggles
I only Deseret News to refer to:"Provo - People danced in the
streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general,
they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated." BYU football:
Provo celebrates stunning winBy Dan Rasmussen, Deseret NewsMonday,
Sep 7, 2009Thanks in advance.
"Three of the remaining four are absolutely winnable, but not with an
offense like the one that showed up in LA on Saturday."Agreed.
Honestly, other than probably Oregon, the other PAC 12 teams aren't
powerhouses - Utah is capable of beating each of them (see Stanford). In fact,
some are terrible - USC on Saturday, Arizona, Washington State, Colorado, Cal.
That is why it is so frustrating that Utah puts such a terrible
product out there in PAC 12 play. Great win over BYU, but then what? I
didn't think we signed up to be the doormat of the PAC 12 three years in.
I thought we were headed in the right direction. Now I'm not so sure.
Frustrating, to say the least.
@cougsndawgs:Ok, so let me get this straight - your friend from
Georgia doesn't know, or care to know, about the PAC 12 whatsoever.
Shocker! Do I care about the sports world that your friend from Georgia cares
about? Not in any way, shape, or form.Let me put it to you this way
- do you honestly in your right mind, think that any sports fan this side of the
Mississippi, cares even one iota about the SEC? The answer is, all SEC
graduates aside, absolutely not.We're tired of hearing about
Alabama. The rest of the SEC, who cares? So the bottom line is, it works both
ways. They don't care about our part of the sports world, and neither do
we care about theirs. And that's totally okay!
MrPlateThat support is something. Unfortunately the DN won't let me
expand on it and I have on earthly idea why? Have a good one.
Its worth noting who BYU beat as well as how they have done it. So far they
manhandled Texas, USU, GT and MTS, and Boise State. They outlasted Houston.
Those six teams are all going to be going bowling. Its safe to say
BYU bounced back. Lets get that game in Wisconsin! Go Cougars!!
if all pac-12 teams were better than the MWC.Than all the teams would go
It's worth noting that BYU has already qualified for a bowl after beating 6
FBS teams, while Utah is still struggling to qualify for a bowl after only
beating 3 FBS teams (only 1-4 in the PAC).Goes to show that the
Utes, as has been proven over the course of 2 1/2 seasons, were only invited to
the PAC to serve as cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.The national media, coaches and fans recognize an upset when they see one,
otherwise, why would BYU be ranked 20 places higher than the Utes in nearly
every poll and national ranking?If you don't WIN, having a
strong SOS is nothing more than a convenient excuse for losing.
To Spokane UteSo, by now you have accused me of being unable to read
with comprehension, of fabricating and being dishonest, and needing to slooooow
down to understand the comments I read. You've apologized to MrPlate that
you have misrepresented him, basically acknowledging that everything I said was
correct as well. If I'm wrong with anything, please identify where.
Otherwise, it seems you owe me an apology just like you gave to MrPlate.
MountainMan25Salt Lake City, UT===Seems to be the only clear
headed thinking Utah fan out there...===Sort of fun to
watch the rest of the Utah fans get spanked here.
@Spokane Ute - of course when a big-conference school LOSES to a patsy (i.e.
Oregon St. losing to Eastern Washington), it's not meaningless. It means
you're possibly worse than a patsy, and that's admittedly significant.
I think you're well aware I was referring to OVERALL pre-season schedules,
not individual games. BEATING a patsy just means you're better
than a patsy - congrats on the win, and it actually benefits both teams, but how
meaningful is the victory in terms of bragging rights? Since the vast majority
of pre-conference games in all elite leagues are against patsies, and the elite
conference typically wins those games, it only means they're better than
patsies. I'll concede that means SOMETHING - PAC12 teams are better than
Big Sky teams, and SEC teams are better than Sun Belt teams, overall. For some
reason that's more meaningful to you than it is to me. I can live with the
difference of opinion.Also, LetsDebate is my wife, and I appreciate
her support. LetsDebate's most recent post was actually from me, MrPlate,
but I failed to log off her account and back into my own before submitting.
CougarSunDevilNot sure why are comments were edited either? I just
questioned the name calling of schools and screen names. If you take it
personally, well my apologies. I don't recall ever saying anything about
the Rose Bowl, heck I'd be happy with the New Mexico bowl at this point. As
far as Chris B goes, I can no more control his comments then I can yours. I have
no idea who the guy is and I dont agree with his MO. You will notice that I
never acknowledge or respond to his comments. Please don't label all Utah
fans because of him, and especially not me. I find it rather sad that you let
one extreme fan on a message board, lead you to hating a University. That's
unfortunate. Again, I don't hate BYU. Let's leave it a that; have a
LetsDebateThank you for straigtening the thread out. You have done
some fine work this morning. I'm not exactly sure why you are even involved
in the conversation, but again great work. Do you feel better?Mr.
Plate,I did take your position regarding Texas A&M, Bama and
Oregon out of context. My extreme appologies. We shall see how it all plays out,
and possibly pick this up another time. In summary, yes I believe
Oregon will soundly defeat anyone from the SEC. (IMO)Both the SEC and PAC
12 play patsies in non-conference games. (Fact)Non-conference games are
not meaningless. Just ask Oregon State University if the game vs. E. Wahsingion
was meaningless (IMO) Go UTES & GO Seahawks..............and to
all a good day!
DNSo you don't have a problem with SpokaneUte calling me
Juvenille..."It's intersting how you have to exagerate the
names of colleges and the University of Utah. Rather Juvenille, but
interesting"But heaven forbid I say I don't like the
utes?"Spokaneute, why do you have to personally attack me to
make your point? You assume that I'm some diehard byu fan. I cheer them on,
but my team is the devils. I've heard nothing from you and your alias
ChrisB except disrespect for my devils. Runnin youths fans keep running their
mouths about how they are going to the rose bowl blaw blaw blaw. That's why
I don't like utah. Has nothing to do with the ute obsession of byu."
@Spokane Ute - the only fabrication is coming from your posts. Firstly, my post
at 6:00 PM on 10/28 says nothing whatsoever about Oregon's ability to beat
LSU and Texas A&M.Secondly, a fuller and more accurate quote
from my post at 11:28 AM on 10/29 is: "...it's blind homer
speculation to claim Oregon would definitely throttle SEC teams LSU and Texas
A&M."This was in response to your post on 10/28 at 4:17 PM
that said "Oregon will throttle anyone from the SEC, watch and see."Alabama, LSU, and Texas A&M are all SEC schools. YOU said Oregon
would "throttle" any of them. My subsequent posts posited that only a
blind homer could believe that. I am not a blind homer. I do NOT believe
Oregon would throttle ANY of them, and NEVER said so The only way to suggest I
made such an assertion is for a dishonest person to take my actual words, cut
them apart, and use them out of context.You're full of advice
about reading carefully for understanding, avoiding fabrications, and owning up
to one's own words. Physician, heal thyself.
@Let'debateGreat insight and what a great angle. Nice, keen
observation. When posting such interesting comments and adding so much intrigue
to the debate; us all of the explanation points you want; you deserve too!
@ BesmartCool enough and fair enough. I agree.@ DSB
& Mr. PlateAt least own up to what you said and don't
fabricate the truth. Per Mr. Plate at 6:00 PM on 10/28"Oregon
would definitely throttle SEC teams LSU and Texas A&M."No
need to apologize, but let's at least be honest when debating. DSB, you may
want to read his comments again, but possibly sloooow down this time.
Uteology:Also in your search for the meaning of Strawman, please refer to
the section about making outlandish remarks regarding the actions if a large
group of people such as "Cougar Nation is the ONLY".... Usually these
statements are the centerpieces of a Strawman fallacy. That said,
MrPlate needs to realize that he shouldn't debate on your parameters
because of your fallacy, but either he wanted to play along, or felt he could
still refute you. If he tries to refute your fallacy then the obligation rests
with him to meet the ridiculous parameters you established. If he doesn't
(and he hasn't) then he can't complain about your
parameters...isn't that right MrPlate? Next time just call his Strawman and
disregard trying to refute it's already flawed logic.
Look BYU fans...the bottom line is that the experts & the nation see BYU as
the better team. We care about ute fans' opinions why exactly? Should we
believe the country and CFB experts or Chris B...tough one I know. I'm just
going to give the "who's better" argument a rest and let the
country and experts do the talking for me. Let Chrissy and her minions disagree
with them if it makes her feel better.
@MrPlate - good heavens! Running circles around Spokane Ute and Uteology! They
can't even keep up with themselves, let alone you. Well done - this is
hilarious! This is so entertaining I'm breaking my own rules regarding the
over-use of exclamation points!!!!!
To Spokane Ute - problem is, I've re-read MrPlate's comments, and he
never said Oregon would thump Texas A&M. I don't know if you're
making that up, or simply don't comprehend what you're reading, as you
falsely accuse me of doing. Since it's all in writing, I suspect
you've misunderstood something. Perhaps you should take your own advice
and read a little more carefully before your call someone out.I hope
Nice try Spokane, to divert your frustration at getting whalloped by numerous
commenters here because of your faulty logic and opinions. I'm not upset
in the slightest, and get quite a kick out of watching one post after another
challenge your conclusions and interpretations of "facts." It's
touching that you're so concerned with my feelings though.I
care very little about who's the best conference. I root for BYU, and I
like Utah and Utah State too. I find it interesting to see which conferences win
their bowl games, as the final test of conference strength, but right now
it's just chest thumping by a few (very few) really great teams, and a lot
of others who built a supposed greatness by beating extremely weak opponents.
That's the pre-season meaningless joke of a schedule I keep referencing
that you think tells so much. If your Pac-12 chest thumping makes you feel
better, sorry I dragged you down. The amount of ridiculous logic on
these threads, by fans of all teams, is worthy of scorn and ridicule, and it
amuses me to play with people who it obviously means so much to, like yourself.
@Spokane - talk about being unable to read and understand posts. Please quote
my comment saying Oregon would thump Texas A&M. I've been saying
repeatedly that Oregon would probably NOT throttle Texas A&M, so you might
want to "read posts a little more carefully before calling some one out. I
hope that helps." @DSB - spot on!@Uteology - now I'm
really laughing. I predicted you would change the parameters of your already
narrow challenge. So, to be clear, now we have to show another team with a
starting quarterback, who never left the game for treatment, who may have blamed
the loss on weather conditions, but ONLY rain-related weather conditions! And,
for the celebrations, it has to be a D1 school with a victory in the first game
of the season, over a highly hyped team that was not ultimately ranked at the
end of the season, and the only celebration that counts is one that occurs in
the city streets. I know if I find more examples, you'll surely be
satisfied! I'll get right on that! In addition to
"provincialism," you may want to look up the meaning of "straw
man" as well.
pac12ute4lifeFiction: "Utah is a national brand, recognized
everywhere in the country. We recruit much better nationally than BYU, and we
are regarded higher academically and athletically than BYU."Truth: Utah is a regional/commuter school that is barely recognized outside of
the Mountain West. Even PAC 12 schools are still adjusting to Utah being a
member of their conference. Utah recruits Utah, California and Texas, and only a
handful of recruits elsewhere. Academically, Utah has great
research, but its undergraduate programs pale in comparison to BYU. Athletically, BYU has finished significantly ahead of Utah in 20 of 20
National Association of Directors of College Athletics (NADCA) Directors'
Cup standings (recognizes overall athletic excellence across all men's and
women's sports).Average NADCA finish and points for the last 20
yearsBYU 30th, 519 points; highest 12th; lowest 47thUtah 63rd, 269
points; highest 37th; lowest 87thBYU's AVERAGE finish is higher
than Utah's HIGHEST finish.
@MrPlateFirst I said "Blame the rain for the loss". The
rain not heat."The humidity is ridiculous." Minter went to
the locker room for intravenous fluids during the third quarter; Florida scored
its first touchdown while Minter received treatment.Did Hill leave
the game for treatment? To dry off?My bad, I forgot about
Appalachian State, a D2 school. Ironically, they actually beat a final ranked
team (AP #18). Legacy program down south, acts like a D2 school? Priceless!What else did you find in your 2.5 minute of research? For
entertainment purposes, please list the other teams that celebrated a 1-0 Quest.
Have any of you guys arguing with SpokaneUte watched Oregon this year? Look
I'm an SEC fan, Georgia to be precise, but I think Oregon is the best team
in the country...statistically and using the "eye test". Would Oregon
throttle Alabama...I don't think so...no one has throttled the crimson tide
in quite a while. But if you asked me to bet I would put the wager on Oregon to
win that game. A lot can change between now and the end of the season but I
think right now Oregon is the better team. In the end, that's nothing but
my opinion...not facts, which is all any of us can give right
now...conjecture.My opinion is that the SEC is the strongest
conference from top to bottom, and the computers and power rankings back that
up. 9 NCs in the last decade, including 7 in a row back up their dominance at
the top. That said, it's my opinion that THIS YR Oregon would give Bama
everything they can handle and then some.
DSBNo trouble here. Now follow me closely. Mr. Plate stated that
Oregon would thump Texas A&M, but not Alabama. I disagreed since Texas
A&M only lost to Alabama 49-42; which is a fact. Looking at that score I
stand by my position that Oregon would thump Alabama too. Now that's just
my opinion, which really seems to have every one riled up. Throttle is a
realative term; I would define that as a 21+ point victory. See, no problem
distinguishing between facts and fantasy. In the future, you may want to read
posts a little more carefully before calling some one out. I hope that helps.
Honestly, this Ute fan is fed up. It's time for a change, probably with
respect to Whit, he just isn't cutting it. We know from past
years that Utah is capable of playing with the big boys, which is why it is
frustrating to see our guys go out and lose year in and year out, to mediocre
PAC 12 teams like Colorado and Arizona. I don't like the direction this
team is headed - which appears to be an Arizona-like trajectory - no
championships, rare bowl games, mediocrity (but at least AZ has basketball, but
I digress). Sure, the wins against BYU are nice, but to be honest a
lot of those games could have gone either way, and if you look at the history of
the series there are up and down streaks. Deep down I would like to see that
the recent trend of BYU wins signifies a long-term dominance, given our new PAC
12 membership, but the fact that we have been getting beaten up in the PAC 12
doesn't give me a lot of hope. Time for a change.
@Spokane UteAll I was saying that Utah is not at that level (yet they may
become that)I think the Pac-12 is much improved over three years.I
think from top to bottom they are the first or second best conference.All
I said is Utah is not at the same level as Oregon, etc.I meant no offense.
@ Mr PlateYou appear to be getting very upset because the PAC 12
conference is rated #2 in the nation, right behind the SEC; and in some polls,
slightly ahead. As far as the whole wide world goes, are you reffering to
Canada? It's also sad that you have go the name calling route and call me a
"Homer' because I believe Oregon would throttle Alabama. It's just
my opinion. I also like the term cup cake. It seems to make you angry that PAC
12 schools play these games, but its acceptable that SEC (and everyone else)
does. Take a deep breath, it will be all right. Not everyone is going to agree
with you; nor with me. I had no idea that my position, backed up with facts and
statistics, would upset you so much. Have a good evening!
"Every football fan in American knows Utah is in the Pac 12Your
OWN recruit thought you were a division II program.LOL!"TRUTH. Utah is a national brand, recognized everywhere in the country.
We recruit much better nationally than BYU, and we are regarded higher
academically and athletically than BYU. BYU and Utah State are
regional schools (in a weak region, for that matter). Utah all the way. Bowl
game this year Rose Bowl next year! Onward and Upward!
Spokane UteLet me get this straight. Oregon would not throttle
Alabama, but since Alabama defeated Texas A&M in a shootout by one
touchdown, then Oregon would clearly throttle Texas A&M, as a matter of
FACT? Not sure I'm following your factual analysis.Probably the
lowest level of athletic intelligence is calculating that if Team A beats Team B
by seven points, and Team C beats Team A by seven points (or, in this case Team
C is thought capable of beating Team A by seven points), then Team C can beat
(or throttle) Team B by 14 points. Seems to be your kind of math, Spokane.Johnny Manzeil has never been throttled in college football, and has
narrowly lost to a few very good teams. You might reasonably bet Oregon could
beat them, but a throttling is highly unlikely.Seems you're the
one having trouble distinguishing between facts and fantasy.
@Spokane Ute - that you need facts and statistics to show it proves nothing
meaningful for top-quality teams to defeat a slew of Furmans and Nicholls States
is enough to measure your football acumen. That you consider Cal to be a worthy
measuring stick for Ohio State, again, says a lot. That you don't seem to
know the difference between Oregon (as in University of) and Oregon St. is
another indication (or, do you really believe Oregon St. is in contention for a
national title?).Fact - Pac12 teams played 38 non-conference
games.Fact - 22 of 38 games were against total cupcakes.Fact - Only
4 of 38 are current AP top 25 teams.Fact - Pac12 teams lost 3 of those 4
games against current AP top 25 teams.Fact - Pac12 conference has ONE
victory this year over AP top 25 non-conference teams.Fact - only a homer
believes Oregon would "throttle" Texas A&M.Wow - facts
really prove the Pac12 is clearly the toughest conference in the whole wide
world!Is that enough facts? 'Cause I could break it down more
if you still have trouble understanding the difference between quality wins and
Spokane UteInteresting how you lump Utah with the other bottom
dweller's non conference schedules. However, the Devil is in the details
(pun intended). Non conference wins by the PAC -12 cellar dwellersWashington St.Auburn - LostSouthern Utah - WinIdaho
-WinThose are some powerhouses. You state Auburn as a top 25
team. I'll concede that if you concede that ASU only lost to two Top 25
teams (Notre Dame and Stanford), and BYU has a win over a top 25 team (Texas)
but you won't let that happen. Colorado's power non
conference scheduleColorado St - WinCentral Arkansas beauty
and hair salon college - WinCharleston southern culinary arts college -
WinFresno state - Postponed (luckily)And now the mighty
YouthsUtah State (refs gave you that one) - winWeber State
winBYU - (again refs gave you that one) - win Great strength
in that non conference slate. ASU's win over Wisconsin?
It's the same way Utah won against BYU with the same refs. So
shouldn't I say that Utah fans boasting about that win is the same as ASU
boasting about their Wisconsin win? I admit, Refs gave it to ASU. Can you admit
@BesmartLet's look at his claim that "Utah, WSU and
Colorado bring the conference down"; shall we? Per the Saragin Rankings:#39 Utah; wins over #7 Stanford, @ #24 BYU and #41 Utah State#47 WSU:
win over #31 USC, 7 point loss @ #21 Auburn#93 Colorado8-1 in
non-conference games, Average SOS = #15Let's compare that to the
bottom of the SEC#53 Miss St.#71 Arkansas#83 Kentucky7-4
in non-conference games, Average SOS = 27Those three don't even come
close to bringing the conference down. They prove how tough the conference is,
top to bottom. I would challenge anyone to prove this statistically. Biased, and
pointed opinions are one thing; statistics and facts are another.
Yes, Utah has been at the bottom of the Pac 12.And byu has been
below the team that has been at the bottom of the Pac 12.If byu
can't beat Utah, and Utah can't beat most pac 12 teams(except top 10
ranked Stanford)who WOULD byu beat?Most Pac 12 teams > Utah
> byuTell us how "bad" we are. You're WORSE.LOL
@Uteology,Did I say you quoted a fan? Aren't team members a
loyal faction? Following a loss to Florida in 2012, LSU Linebacker
Kevin Minter says "It is Florida. The humidity is ridiculous."Regarding the celebrations in the streets, am I limited to only significant
wins on the first game of the season? Typical strategy for someone building a
straw man argument - create parameters so narrow that no similar situations even
exist, but I'll play your game anyway. You didn't stipulate any
particular "fan base," although I suspect you'll come back with
more restrictions.After defending Division 1AA champion Appalachian
State beat Michigan in their season opener, "the team flew back to an
airport in Johnson City, Tenn., about 55 miles from campus. The team's four
buses were greeted 10 miles from town by a caravan of fire trucks, police cars
and ambulances." There's much more available online about their street
celebrations.Ok, these examples took about 2.5 minutes to find.Apparently Cougar Nation is NOT the ONLY fan base in the entire nation
that makes weather-related excuses for losing, and celebrates in the street
after an awesome victory. Don't be provincial.
UteologyLet me break down for you what ESPN said according to this
Quote."If this were a five-year projection, I think the Utes
would be higher. But I also think they need to go through at least a full class
cycle before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy."This means Utah isn't good. How can you spin that any other way? Our preseason hype last season  was misguided, and the Utes' lack
of depth was exposed. It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can
win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters. The facility
upgrades are a good step in the right direction."This quote was
last year? in 2012? and you're using it as argument for this year? All you
have done is confirmed what everyone else is saying, and everyone else is
seeing, except those who wear crimson red colored goggles. Utah isn't good
today. They MIGHT be good in five years. but they are not good TODAY. Nice try at the spin. See you in two weeks.
@SundevilI find your posts very amussing. You come on here and bust
on everything Utah. You do realize that Utah, WSU and Colorado are 8-1 in
non-conference games don't you? The lone loss was to top 25 Auburn, at
Auburn by WSU; 31-24. Now some of these wins were agains inferior opponents,
something ASU is very familar with. I would be emabarassed to come on here under
that screen name, and rank on any team after what the Refs gave ASU vs.
Wisconsin. What has ASU ever done in the conference any way? Noooothing! Lost in
the Rose Bowl like 14 years ago. No final 4, talk about bringing a conference
down. Also, if you don't think that Utah, WSU and Colorado wouldn't
beat Arkansas, Ole Miss and Kentucky; you are only kidding your self. BYU? the
team that no conference will take? The team that can't beat thier bottom
dwelling rival? Man it must be sad to be you.
UteologySo you are saying you are on the same tier as Oregon, USC, and
UCLA?Cougar Sun devil is right Utah is not (yet they may become that)He has a clue because he is right.I want the Utes to do well.But
the last three years the Utes have shown nothing to prove they are top tier in
@CougarSunDevilYou have no clue what you are talking about. Stick
to BYU football.Here's what ESPN had said about Utah:"If this were a five-year projection, I think the Utes would be higher.
But I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle before they
can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy. Our preseason hype last season
 was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It takes
time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also
the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in the
Mr. PlateI have yet to see a single fact or statistic from you to
back up your position. Oregon would throttle Texas A&M, but not Alabama; yet
when the two schools played Alabama beat A&M 49-42. Fact! Non conference
games are generally a meaningless joke; such as FSU vs. Miami, Notre Dame vs.
Stanford, Alabama vs. Va. Tech, LSU vs. TCU, Clemson vs. Georgia, Oregon vs.
Tennessee, Ohio St vs. Cal? None of the teams (Bama, Oregon St, Ohio St, FSU) in
contention for the National Championship game, lost a non-conference game, yet
these games are a joke? Oregon St must not have got the memo that there game vs.
E. Washington was a "joke". Again, PAC 12 is 29-4 amd SEC is 32-7 in
nonconferene games. Another Fact! They are very comparable to the SEC. You do
understand the difference between a fact vs an opinion don't you? You seem
to struggle with the concept. Go ahead and look up the scores of WSU vs. Auburn
and Oregon vs. Tennessee for some more interesting Facts; which back up my
position. A least counter with some type of statistic or fact.
Spokane Ute, Uteology, and ChrisB, You guys are trying to stand on
the shoulders of the top teams of the conference. There is no doubt that the PAC
12 is a tough conference. But not from top to bottom. The bottom three teams
(Utah, Colorado, and Washington State) hold the conference down. Oregon, USC,
and UCLA have for years been the face of the Pacific conference. The
runnin' YOUTHS are benefiting off of other teams success. When ESPN and
other commentators talk about the Pacific conference and the strength therein,
they are not talking about you. The runnin' YOUTHS are not in any way a
strength to the Pacific conference. You tell BYU fans to take a dose of reality
in their independence, now take some reality in yours. When people talk about
how good the PAC-12 is, they are not talking about you. They just don't
have time to list the nine schools that give the PAC it's strength.
Utah isn't going bowling unless they beat Washington State (possible) and
rival Colorado. In a rivalry game, anything can happen. Colorado brought their
winless road record to RES and dominated the overconfident utes in 2011. It
could certainly happen again. These are the only two winnable games left on the
ute's schedule since they will be extremely overmatched against Oregon and
the ASU. I haven't been to these Orchard lanes I've heard
about, maybe a ute fan can describe them to me since they are becoming regulars
@Spokane Ute - very interesting... uh, logic. Fact is, Alabama is "any"
SEC team. I think it's delusional to think Oregon would throttle Alabama.
Oregon would probably throttle "most" SEC teams, true. And, it could be
countered that Alabama would throttle "most" Pac 12 teams, probably
every Pac-12 team except Oregon, although it's blind homer speculation to
claim Oregon would definitely throttle SEC teams LSU and Texas A&M.Yes, non-conference records are generally a meaningless joke for the elite
conferences. If you think beating Furman, Nicholls State, and a host of other
cupcakes gives you bragging rights and a realistic determination of your
conference strength, well as you said, there's probably no point in further
debate. I suspect you discount BYU's defeat of patsies to determine their
strength, but the Pac-12's defeats over cupcakes makes them great. Ute fan
logic.And, you think 7 consecutive BCS Championships doesn't
show dominance over Pac-12 and every other conference, because the Pac-12 was
only good enough to compete against an SEC team (and lose) in one NC game?
Again, Ute fan logic.Your opinions don't offend me, but when
you pretend they're facts, I'm amused.
@MrPlateI didn't quote a fan. I quoted Tysom Hill for blaming
his abysmal passing due to bad weather.Yes fans do rush the field,
even Notre Dame fans rushed the field when they beat Utah a while back. But I
wasn't talking about rushing the field now was I, I clearly said
"street" celebrations.Show me another fan-base that
celebrated a 1-0 start by:"PROVO — People danced in the
streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general,
they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated. BYU fans formed impromptu
gatherings at places like LaVell Edwards Stadium, the Marriott Center, and the
Wilkinson Center, among others, and several hundred of them showed up at the
Provo Municipal Airport to welcome home the team when it landed at 1:45 in the
morning."The only thing missing was a celebration speech from
Bronco... oh wait he did:"With the BYU students corralled behind
a string of orange cones, BYU's coaches and players gave high-fives to
their admirers before Mendenhall took a mic and briefly addressed them."
MrPlateNope, noticed you mentioned the patsies the SEC played, but
failed to list them like you did the PAC 12. Now that's curious? As far as
Oregon throttling an SEC opponent; check out the Oregon - Tennessee score and
the South Carolina - Tennessee score. If using statistics and records, not to
mention head to head games is a "blind defense of the PAC 12", then
there's no sense carrying on the debate any further. Non-conference games
are meaningless? Not even sure how to respond. You seem to get defensive when
some one has an opinion that differs? The PAC 12 is as good, if not better, then
the SEC this year. The statistics and head to head results confirm that. Also,
of those 7 BCS championships, how many were won vs. the PAC 12? One. Again, I
was, and still comparing the conferences in the here and now; this year.
@Uteology - ever heard of the word "provicialism?" You can usually tell
someone is provincial when their comment starts with something like the
following: "Cougar Nation is the ONLY fan base in the entire
nation that..."Here's a couple of little clues. Some loyal
factions of losing teams all over blame poor weather on their team's
performance. Yes, it's tacky, considering the weather probably did not
play favorites. Also, all teams and their fans ALWAYS celebrate significant
victories, especially when they were pre-game underdogs. Good grief - Ute fans
regularly rush the field when they defeat an unranked BYU.That you
think BYU is the only place where people blame weather and celebrate big wins
just means you need to get out more.
@USNGarySo a guy on the amazing race was wearing a BYU shirt? Wow,
that's awesome. That certainly confirms BYU's world wide presence. Did
you see the fan on Monday night football last night wearing the Weber State
shirt? just askin.....
you guys crack me up. utah fans really are delusional. just because you are in
the pac whatever doesn't automatically make you a big boy, hence not
getting full share for a few years after joining the conference. as far as
having a national presence, BYU has a worldwide presence...anyone watch amazing
race? a guy in Poland on tv wearing a BYU shirt. Didn't see any utah
shirts. just sayin.
@Cougsndawgs Lastly, uteology, you refute WJCoug's opinion with
your own opinion masquerading as "facts". Again, hilarious.--------------What I said were facts, the only one masquerading is
BYU football as a "legacy program".A) Blames the rain for
losing B) Celebrates a 1-0 Quest in the streets like a championship -- Source A: I’m not trying to make excuses, because
we didn’t make plays, but by the fourth quarter, the balls we were
throwing were completely waterlogged,” said quarterback Taysom Hill. 'BYU football: Mother Nature plays big role in BYU-Virginia
game’ -- Deseret News-- Source B: BYU football: Provo
celebrates stunning win -- Deseret News
CougsndawgsWest Point , UTUteology:"The difference,
Alabama plays in the same league as Auburn".This is hilarious.
Utah and BYU were in the same league also for 10 of the 13 seasons since 2000.
It's hilarious how quickly some Ute fans have forgotten their history and
turned to snobbery because of being in a conference where they can't
compete.-----------Since 2000 yes, since 2010 no. The
last decade according to CBS Sports Utah was the #10 program, BYU #27. Since then we still OWN you on the field and talent (per NFL).We're still beating the teams you play week-in-week-out (8-1).The
difference we can't compete in the PAC-12 yet.
Uteology:"The difference, Alabama plays in the same league as
Auburn".This is hilarious. Utah and BYU were in the same league
also for 10 of the 13 seasons since 2000. It's hilarious how quickly some
Ute fans have forgotten their history and turned to snobbery because of being in
a conference where they can't compete.As for one shining
season...no BYU has a history and winning tradition that needs no enumeration
because it has been done exhaustively on these comment boards. BYU has
accomplishments that Utah will frankly never have. This is why BYU gets the
respect and benefit of a doubt from voters while Utah gets no such respect.
Sorry, it is what it is...tradition, not ONE shining season (ok, maybe 2 in
Utah's case...still no tradition or history of any significance).Lastly, uteology, you refute WJCoug's opinion with your own opinion
masquerading as "facts". Again, hilarious.
WJCougSouth Jordan, UtahGot to proud of that PAC12 Conference!
Utah - the only fan base in the entire United States that a) uses their
conference as an excuse for losing and b) roots for the conference more than
their team!Hilarious!-------------That's your opinion, here are two facts:Cougar Nation is the
ONLY fan base in the entire nation that...A) Blames the rain for
losingB) Celebrates a 1-0 Quest in the streets like a championship
@Cougsndawgssince 2000 do U know what Alabama's record is against
Auburn...5-8. Hmm, same record BYU has against Utah, but who in their right mind
thinks auburn has been the better program during that stretch. They had one
shining season...sound familiar? And no, I'm not comparing BYU to Alabama,
I'm showing rivalry games don't always indicate which program is
strongest.---------The difference, Alabama plays in the
same league as Auburn. But maybe you are right, in the BCS era the
team with:* No undefeated seasons* No BCS bowls* No BCS
bowl wins* No top 5 finishes* 3-9 against the weaker program on the
HillIs the better program because it has ONE more AP ranking at #25.
Meanwhile, BYU's still waiting for it's ONE shining season
so they can break out their Quest t-shirts.
This stuff is too funny.Here is another factoid: BYU is
still undefeated against Utah in all their hypothetical rematches.
Got to proud of that PAC12 Conference! Utah - the only fan base in the entire
United States that a) uses their conference as an excuse for losing and b) roots
for the conference more than their team!Hilarious!
Oregon is ridiculously good. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.
I've said for a few weeks now that I think Oregon should be ranked above
Alabama, but the Tide have been playing very good football lately. That would be
an epic game...and possibly the end of the streak for the SEC. Then throw FSU in
the mix, or even Baylor. We can't get a playoff system soon enough (not
this plus one nonsense).
Ha, cougar fans mocking whatever bowl we go to. Haha, the Kraft fight hunger
bowl is one of the most mocked bowls around. Utah could beat
Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, and Stanford by a combined 80 million points and
Byu fans would then say that none of those wins are quality, they would then
throw on their parachute pants and take their time machine back to 1984.
@Spokane Ute - I'm pretty sure I mentioned that SEC teams schedule patsies
in their pre-conference lineup. In your blind defense of the Pac 12, I'm
sure you missed that. Just like the Pac 12, the SEC goes into their conference
games claiming they're invincible because they beat up on the Furman's
of the college football landscape. Many SEC teams are also overrated, but the
Pac-12 pre-conference schedule is no less patsy-free than any other big league
in the land. Non Conference Records for all big conferences are a total
meaningless joke.The only domination I cited was regarding BCS
Championship games. You might not consider 7 in a row, and 8 out of the last 10
to represent domination for the SEC, but I think most rational people would.
And though I believe Oregon may be able to defeat Alabama, Ohio State, or
Florida State, I think only a deluded homer would believe that any of these
teams would "throttle" any of the others.
BeSmartIt would be cool to see for sure. Florida State also looks
like world beaters. Still a few games to be played between now and then, we
shall see. Have a good evening Guy!
@ SpokaneI think you are right about Oregon throttling just about
everybody from the SEC.I think Alabama and Oregon would be a close hard
@Mr. PlateReeling off teams does mean much, but I will play along.
UAB, Kent State, Furman, Arkansas st., W. Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Austin
Peay, Western Kentucky, South Alabama. That's who LSU, Auburn and Tennessee
scheduled this year. Should I continue?Per ESPN:"SEC West
vs Pac-12 North: The popular debate over the last few weeks has been whether the
Pac-12 North is better than the SEC West. The rankings say that the race is very
close, but the Pac-12 North has a 1.3-point advantage over the SEC West."Per Saragin Rankings:1) SEC West2) PAC 12 North3) SEC
East4) PAC 12 SouthNon Conference RecordSEC: 32-7PAC 12: 29-4 Dominating? Hardley. Comparable? Certainly. Oregon
will throttle anyone from the SEC, watch and see.
@CougsnDawgsI got ya. Always appreciate the back and forth with you.
You are a straight shooter, no doubt about it.@SportsfanI'm talking about this year. Look at non conference wins, non conference
win against BCS (BYU and Notre Dame too) schools. Look at Wash St @ Auburn and
Tenn @ Oregon. Then get back to me. The SEC plays 8 conference games, vs. the
PAC 12's 9. The SEC plays patsies in the non-conference. Look at head to
head; PAC 12 vs. SEC over the last 5 and 10 years. Not much difference. You do
realize Colorado split with Georgia don't you? How many of those BCS
championships came against a PAC 12 foe? One. @TatorsAgreed. A bowl gives a team more practices, helps in recruiting and pads the
check book. I would settle for the New Mexico Bowl; sad but true, but it's
not gonna happen if the offense doesn't get it's act together.
@ChriBI'm glad Jamal chose to play with a Division II team rather
than going to the doormat of the Pac12!
@Spokane Ute - you say "the non-conference records speak for them self."
Yeah, those Pac 12 victories against Hawaii, Southern Utah, Idaho,
Army, San Jose State, Illinois, Idaho State, Northerna Arizona, UNLV, UTSA,
Portland State, Nicholls State, Virginia, Colorado State, Central Arkansas,
Charleston Southern, Eastern Washington, Sacramento State, New Mexico State,
Weber State, etc. really speaks for itself! Pac 12 teams are great because they
beat up on patsies in pre-conference play, then go into their conference
schedule talking like they've beaten the world. Between all 12 schools,
they played about 8 games against top-level teams in their pre-conference
schedules, and lost half of those games. And that's if you count Notre
Dame as a top-level team.SEC teams do the same, but like has been
mentioned above, the SEC teams then proceed to dominate the BCS championship
games. Everyone in the Pac-12 is overrated, except Oregon.
@ Chris B:FYI: Other than a few ardent fans of the specific PAC12
programs, the only other demographic who realizes Utah is in the conference are
the trivia buffs who talk about who the cellar dwellers are in each conference.
Sad, but true. Utah can change that by starting to win conference games on a
consistent basis. But so far that hasn't happened. That's not
BYU fault. You should quit taking out your frustrations on them. I know
it's grates on you that BYU is currently ranked double digits higher than
Utah in literally every national poll. But until Utah starts showing up for
their conference games, it's just something you're going to have to
live with. Finding a quote of a single solitary inner-city teenage
football player who wasn't previously familiar with BYU doesn't help
your cause at all. It only makes you look desperate. BTW... that teenager,
after learning about BYU, chose to go there above any PAC12 school. That leaves
your quote without purpose. Don't give up, Chris. Even though
BYU is already signed to a bowl game, it's still possible for Utah this
@ Chris B:Some people never seem to learn and are therefore
considered lost causes. Things are now going so bad for the Utes and so good for
BYU that you are going back to comments you made 2 months ago... that
didn't even make any sense at that time. That last comment of yours had
nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. Unfortunately, it seems to
have cost you what little credibility you had regarding local college football.
Please think about how your thoughts will read to others before writing and
submitting them. Anyone who watches ESPN and/or any of the BYU
football games knows without question that BYU is one of the better-known
programs in national college football. Stadiums are sold out wherever BYU plays
across the country. Literally all national pollsters, including coaches in the
AP Coaches poll vote for BYU much more often than they do for Utah... thus BYU
is ranked much higher in all current polls which yes, do include strength of
schedule factored in. Don't take it personally that BYU,
though starting slowly, is able to finish their seasons strongly... just
opposite of Utah.
I feel badly that the fans aren't getting more accurate information. USC
played at Hawaii and will play 13 games this year so they need 7 wins not 6 and
must win 2 more games to be bowl eligible. Not a big deal, but if the sports
reporters don't understand things like this, how can the average fan get
It's very notable that some of the more hardcore Utah fans were bragging
unendingly in the pre and early season about their conference affiliation and
how wonderful it was to have such an impressive schedule coming up. Now what we're mostly hearing from those same fans is complaints about
how tough their schedule is. Some are even trying to deflect to only their
non-conference games and hoping we'll all forget all the great conference
games. Actually, there was one of those. @ TFUDD: The only reason
some BYU fans are getting on some Ute commenters is because they earlier endured
all those braggings about how great it was to be in a powerhouse conference. And
now those same Ute commenters are complaining about how tough their conference
schedule is and using it as an excuse for losing. Can't have it both ways.
FYI: Besides conference leading Texas, BYU also gave Houston
it's only loss of the year. Both are ranked significantly better than Utah
in all the current national polls, while BYU is ranked better than all 3 of
them... Strength of schedule included. @ Spokane Ute: Any bowl
game is better than no bowl game.
Wouldn't it be interesting if BYT and Utah ended up playing each other in a
bowl game? I suppose the possibility is there, albeit not likely to happen.
Spokane UteRemind us how many BCS championships the "most
over-rated conference in the country" has won, and how many the
"conference of champions" has won.BCS ChampionshipsSEC
9 (including 7 in a row)PAC 0The SEC is 9-1 in BCS
Championships games; their only loss - when Alabama beat LSU in 2011.Utah fans embarrass themselves with their hyperbole.
SokaneUte:You're right not everyone knows about BYU either...that
wasn't my point. I was pointing out what's obvious to everyone except
Chris B.I'm also not going to argue conference strength with
you...I will let the SEC's dominance of CFB for nearly a decade speak for
itself. Until another conference proves otherwise, the SEC is the true
conference of champions when it comes to CFB.
@ Chris Bthat running back you quote so often.Chose BYU over UtahHe had offers from both.And Oregon for that matter.
CougsnDawgs"Every" college football fan doesn't know
that Utah is in the PAC 12, nor does "every" fan know BYU is an
independent. As far as SEC fans go; the most over rated conference in the
country. Florida hasn't played a non-conference out of state game since
1991. The PAC 12 is stronger than the SEC this year, the non-conference records
speak for them self. SEC fans don't even know the war is over.
Every football fan in american knows we are in the Pac 12 and that we keep
losing but no worry we will still get recruits despite are record because we are
in a bcs.Go Utes!
I'm sorry Utes but playing tough games is not going to win you a National
Champion, its actually winning them!
Spokane Ute:"for my I-Pad so I can watch every Utah game, no matter
where I go. I can't do the same for BYU games, but who gives a rip?"Actually, u can watch all BYUs games on apple devices too...BYUtv app,
and watch espn. I'm not saying that to show you up, I'm saying that so
u can enjoy cougar games wherever you go now too. And good question...who gives
"Every football fan in American knows Utah is in the Pac 12 "LOL...no they don't. I have several friends that are SEC fans that
don't care about the PAC12, let alone Utah. I was talking to one of them
over the weekend because we do pick'elms and fantasy football leagues
together. He said, I quote "Utah will beat USC because the Trojans
can't even beat a mid-major program right now". He thought Utah was in
the MW, still. He's from Georgia so I guess PAC12 news doesn't reach
him out there...or he just doesn't care (I assure u it's the
latter).I know in your play world everyone cares about Utah, Chris,
but in reality they don't even know a lot about them because they just
don't give a...LOL!
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTEvery football fan in American knows
Utah is in the Pac 12 =====My Cousin Vinny (1992) Vinny:
'It is possible that the two utes...'Judge Chamberlain Haller:
'Ah, the two what? Uh, uh, what was that word?'Vinny: 'Uh,
what word?'Judge Chamberlain Haller: 'Two what?'Vinny: 'What?'Judge Chamberlain Haller: 'Uh, did you say
'utes'?'Vinny: 'Yeah, two utes.'Judge
Chamberlain Haller: 'What is a ute?'Vinny: 'Oh, excuse me,
your honor.'Vinny: 'Two YOUTHS.' Chris, I have
my calendar out. Anything I need to mark down?Rose Bowl still the
winner of Utah and UCLA? Dang, we shoulda won that one!
Utah fans: t's great that U are in the PAC12 and getting more money and
more exposure. The fact that U get tough games every week with exciting
opponents is great and I believe the envy of SOME BYU fans. U have had BYUs
number for the last little while, so in terms of the rivalry U have bragging
rights for now. But it's ironic that U use the hand that feeds
U as an excuse for your fallures. It's also hilarious how U try and
minimize BYUs accomplishments by saying they don't play anyone...they have
the 21st toughest schedule in America, and I dare say Utah doesn't beat
Texas, Boise, or Houston (who curb stomped Rutgers on the road this weekend)
right now. Btw, in terms of rivalry...since 2000 do U know what Alabama's
record is against Auburn...5-8. Hmm, same record BYU has against Utah, but who
in their right mind thinks auburn has been the better program during that
stretch. They had one shining season...sound familiar? And no, I'm not
comparing BYU to Alabama, I'm showing rivalry games don't always
indicate which program is strongest.
Every football fan in america knows?That is a joke.getting a little
desperate these days
Byu has a "national audience" only so far as there are Mormon people
spread throughout the nation. Let's look at what your non-Mormon own star
running back said about byu."I thought Byu was a division II
football fan in American knows Utah is in the Pac 12 Your OWN
recruit thought you were a division II program.LOL!
I have been watching every Utah and BYU game here in Spokane. I have an
application (ESPN Familly and PAC 12 Channel)for my I-Pad so I can watch every
Utah game, no matter where I go. I can't do the same for BYU games, but who
gives a rip? Have we reduced our selfs to argueing over TV access? Pretty sad.
@UteologyTCU has the same sort of injury problems that Utah has.
Its a depth issue. TCU lost their starting QB and other key starters during the
first two weeks. Utah started losing key players early too. The injuries are
piling up. BYU helped out with that even though Utah won. You can't ignore
that the game had a physical and emotional impact on the Utes.
@scenic viewOr most major cable companies east of the rockies.Pac-12
Network available in 40 million homesBYUtv 50 million
"BYU has had Every game on National TV."SoonerUte: "So
do the Utes."Unless, of course, you have DirecTV, in which case,
you can't even get Utah games in SLC.I've been able to
watch every BYU game here in Baltimore, but less than half of Utah's games.
4 in a row,No bitterness here! 6-2 already bowl eligible and going
bowling!!! Team is playing great and have some great games ahead!!! Must kind of
hurt that the team you barely beat is now so far ahead of you in so many ways!!!
Love my independence!!!Go Cougs beat the Badgers!!!
@USN GaryYes, and the lowest of the low tier bowl game each
year..........jusy stayin6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 wins sends BYU to the same
destination. It is fair? Probably not. Is it true? Absolutely!
"Pac-12 may get more than its share of bowl berths"Which
really means the conference teams play against lower-level
"competition." Otherwise, they'd knock each other off
in conference play.I can't stand the Pac-12 football; yes, Utah
I'm surprised that so many of my fellow die-hard Ute fans have given up on
our team this year. It obvious by the focus and attention to next years schedule
before we even finish this year. I'm disappointed in all of you. I still
see a bowl game on the horizon for us THIS season!Go Utes
I saw a shirt the other day that had a tiny little Utah logo in the middle of it
with great big Pack 12 across the top. I couldn't help but laugh!! I'm
sure New Mexico and Air Force fans are wearing big Mountian West Conference
shirts loud and proud too!!! BYU has had Every game on National TV. Their
contract with ESPN gives them more than the puke 12 ever could. Face it the only
reason Ute fans wear that crap is to taunt BYU fans. Too bad they just make us
Give credit where credit is due.BYU is 6-2 with the 21st ranked schedule
(probably the best record a school from Utah has had against this tough of
schedule)9 out of 12 teams BYU will/ or has played will play in a bowl (10
if you include Utah)Houston, Texas, and Wisconsin could end up in BCS bowl
games this year.No offense BYU has lost to 2 of the worse opponents this
year.BYU victories (sagarin rankings) Texas-22, GT-33, BSU-38, Houston 40,
Utah State 41, MTSU 110Utah victories Stanford-7, BYU,24, Utah State 40,
Weber 211.BYU losses Virginia-86 Utah 39Utah losses OSU-34, UCLA 17,
USC 31, Arizona 30.Looking at those rankings BYU has some good victories,
and so does Utah.
The Moose, other than being in the MWC, when has BYU gone to the same bowl?
Third different bowl in 3 years... just sayin'
Utah is in trouble for the next five years. No BYU game to energize their
athletes and fan base for two years. We've always known that many Utah fans
are more anti-BYU than they are pro-Utah.No bowl games. It will hurt
recruiting. Membership in the PAC-12 practically requires that our
2nd and 3rd string players are as good as your first string. Recruiting must
drastically improve for Utah to succeed. Will Coach Whitt be able
to withstand rising criticism? Utah is in a tougher situation (in many ways)
than BYU is with independence. And that is saying something! I
predict that we'll see a change at head coach on the hill in 12-24 months.
And that will be a shame. Whit is really good at getting his team up for 1-3
tough games per year. He certainly does it for the BYU game. Whit gets that
last measure and effort out of his players. He plans and out-strategizes his
opponents. But Utah lacks the depth to compete in the PAC-12 on a week-to-week
Utah fans are hilarious. They beat their chests about their tough schedules
(2013 is the FIRST season in Utah history that Utah has had a SOS ranked in the
Top FORTY), then instead of using their "tough" schedule as a
springboard to success, they use it as an excuse for losing.LOL at
Moose's spin. If Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin and Notre Dame are
"patsies", what does that make Arizona, California, Washington State and
Utah seems to bounce back from losses reasonably well, my guess is they'll
win another 2 [one being colorado, serously, that's a gimme, right?] and go
bowling (from a BYU fan).
The BYU fans make me laugh. They are ripping Utah for not having a good record.
I have posted this before, but by their mentality Duschesne football is better
than Alta football because Duschesne is 10 - 0 and Alta is sub 500. We beat
you, we beat Stanford, we play with the big boys every week. I for one would not
trade places with you. You lose your first few games every year and then play
patsies to pad your stats and go to the same bowl no matter what. Talk about
UteologyThis is the only year you have a top 5 schedule only because you
are playing Stanford and Oregon and not cal and Washington, and you still
didn't go bowling last year. You ute fans are delusional. Northern
Illinois or Fresno do not have tougher schedules but are going bowling and are
ranked. Guess a top 5 SOS means nothing except to you guys.
Ute fans don't get it. BYU fans don't get it.Ute fans proudly displayed PAC 12 stickers everywhere: cars, refrigerators,
kids clothing, faces, hats...almost more than Utah stuff. They stuck their
acceptance in BYU's face and rubbed it in. Well, three years later, BYU
has won as many PAC 12 championships as Utah...in every sport!BYU
fans love to point this out but their football team simply is afraid of playing
Utah. They play their worst, most conservative and nervous game against the
Utes every year. So...be quiet. Your team is afraid of Utah! And for no good
UteologyBetter dust off a shelf in your trophy closet for another
SOS trophy.Meanwhile, BYU is knocking on the door of the real Top
25:AP/Coaches/BCS/Sagarin/Composite(100 rankings)#28/#30/#27/#24/#16 BYU(6-2) #21 SOS - average BYU #25ur/ur/#44/#39/#40
Utah(4-4) #4 SOS - average Utah #41
Utah is in trouble, not just because of a dismas finish possible this year, but
if they don't make it to a bowl game, then their recruiting will be hurt.
Who will want to come to Utah to play when you don't go to a bowl game most
of the time. The other PAC12 schools will use that in their pitch;And, BYU and Utah in a bowl game in SF? No way. Does nothing for either
school. BYU and UT no longer need each other; Utah needs to concentrate on
winning the PAC12 South, if ever that can be done. BYU needs to continue to
play across the country teams from every part of the land to continue their
exposure for the Church. This is not rocket science. BYU will continue to
evolve into a national presence over time and their fan base will be treated to
games that no other team can complete with and the end result will be increase
in exposure; increase in recruiting away from the Mtn West; better schedules and
an opportunity to pitch their product.
@Steven S JarvisSo in your world Utah is so physically and
emotionally beaten by the rivalry game that they end up not being able to
compete in the PAC-12, thus missing out on a bowl? But BYU, the
team that is getting owned in the rivalry, the team that is on record of saying
that it's their Super Bowl game, is not affected at all?That's the logic your going to use to show why Utah struggles and BYU
excels after the game? In your mind it has nothing to do with the
fact that we play a Big 5 schedule and you don't? TCU after
dominating the MWC is also struggling in a Big 5 league, do you want to take
credit for that as well?
Interesting, StGtoSLC, that you don't recognize subtle sarcasm. Or the
fact that Utah is in deep trouble and will go bowling yet again at Orchard
Lanes. Their offense was non-existent against a "winnable USC" that had
a limited roster due to injuries and other issues. And the mighty Ute defense
gave up several field goals, each one putting the game further out of reach.For them to think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread after eking
out a home victory against Stanford, who obviously looked past Utah (why
wouldn't they fall into such a trap since the Utes haven't exactly
played like champions before even on their home turf), suddenly such thinking
came home to roost in Arizona. That should have been a clarion call to improve
immediately , not waiting for the pathetic loss in los Angeles. Now they are in
a difficult spot and we see the blogs still saying things like the game against
Colorado is a gimmie, Washington State is a sure bet, etc. They're even
talking smack about beating BYU for a 5th time. And so it goes.
"Who has BSU beaten?"Utah every time they've played
I posted this about a week ago - What happens if Utah does get to 6-6 and are
left out of a bowl game? First, I don't think Utah will get 6 wins.
Second, would a bowl take a 6-6 Utah team over another team with 7 or 8 wins, my
guess is no.In addition, I don't see Utah beating Oregon or ASU
- both teams are rolling right now. WSU is a toss-up but the way the Utes play
conference games on the road and with a weak secondary, I think Mike Leach will
have his QB attack them all game long and win that game. My prediction, Utah
only wins one more game this year - Colorado.
It's hard to go to a bowl when you can't win a conference road game;
or even a home game against a decent team. I wouldn't be suprised to see
Utah go 7-5; or 5-7 for that matter. The Arizona and USC games were very telling
We will win the rest of our teams and go play a bowl because we won byu and
weber and because we are bcs and the teams we will win are winable. Go Utes!
any team with less than 8 wins should stay home. What a diluted piece of
nothing the bowl season is.
@UteologyHonestly, Utah will do fine against Michigan and Fresno
State next year at least earning a split. The problem that the Utes have had in
playing BYU and USU as opposed to those two teams is that Utah lacks depth to
win games the second half of the season that they really should win during the
first half. Its the Utes Achilles heel! They beat BYU, take injuries then fall
flat for the next four or so games while players recover. Beating BYU last year
resulted in Utah missing a bowl last year. If Wilson doesn't recover from
his finger issue (from the BYU game) and the Utes miss a bowl, beating BYU has
cost Utah two bowls in a row. Michigan and Fresno won't beat up on the Utes
as physically as rivalry games do. I also believe Utah is the stronger team in
each of those match-ups since the games are in September. Utah should start
stronger in the PAC12 next year having dodged USU and BYU.BYU will
also benefit not having the Utes on the schedule.
Problem is who will watch a couple of 6 win teams in a tater bowl game? Only
some of their fans.
I love how BYU fans joke about the Utes not going bowling. Trying playing in the
PAC-12! I can see BYU doing as well as the Utes but there is no way that you do
better! So stop trying to rag on the Utes when your schedule is much much
easier. Lets be honest...Who has BSU beaten? well when you play in the MWC it
should be easy to win a lot of games. Houston has hardly played a tough team
all year(you barely won). Who has Georgia Tech beaten? Texas is a decent team
this year...decent. They beat Oklahoma...well we are 4-4 and we beat Stanford.
Any team can be another team on any given day. BYU is having a good
season but lets be realistic...who have you beaten? Your only "good" win
was over a decent Texas. The Utes need to step up and string some wins together
because we are playing terrible....pretty sure my thoughts are very random and
unorganized but I thought I would vent a little before going to bed.
This year is tough enough, next year will be brutal. Current BCS rankings have
6 teams in the top 30, with 4 games on the road. #2 Oregon 8-0#5 @Stanford 7-1#16 Fresno 7-0#20 @UCLA 5-2#21 @Michagon
7-1#28 @ASU 5-2Just for giggles the team down south should
easily be able to make their 10 straight bowl game next year.#23
@UCF 6-1#31 Houston 6-1#33 @Texas 5-2#55 @Boise State 5-3Granted, Texas and Boise State could easily be a top 20 team again next
year but still it's an easy schedule. Since Tyson Hill has learned to pass
and Utah, a guarantee loss, is no longer on their schedule they could go
This year is tough, but next year it gets worse. Our built in win
against BYU is replaced with a tough road game at Michigan (currently #21) and
Fresno State (#16) replaces Utah State on our non-conference schedule.Hopefully this year we can fix the QB issues and win at least 2 more games.Go UTES!
Wow, Chris B. (aka 4 in a row!) you don't recognize two of the previous
four posts are U of U fans? Why so paranoid? Also you are off topic.
Three of the remaining four are absolutely winnable, but not with an offense
like the one that showed up in LA on Saturday.
"Interesting that the three PAC 12 teams not going to bowls are likely
Washington State, Utah and Colorado. That shouldn't surprise
anyone."Interesting that you don't know conference
teams' records at all or what most projections have. Shouldn't
Utah will get to six. So will everyone else in the league leaving at least one
team sitting home with six wins. I hope it isn't Utah.Right
now the Big12 looks to have up to two open slots. Army probably leaves an open
slot as well. Notre Dame and the SEC will get two of those open slots and that
leaves one likely slot open for about ten or so teams (two from the PAC). There
will also be a mid major with 8 or 9 wins that will get left out this year. Its
very likely some 6 win teams won't go bowling.
Wow, surely these previuos posts/folks only dreamed of going to BYU. Why so bitter?
A 30/6 record out of conference is over 80% wins. That is the record
considering all 12 PAC members. That is one tough league! In conference when
each member plays another - one has to lose. Is it any wonder why it is so
difficult to win league games? 9 weeks of a tough opponent after another. Two
more wins for Utah? Seeing two games are against top 25 teams it will be VERY
difficult. Go Utes!
"Utah and Washington State, each have four wins with four games
left."Hard to comprehend.
Interesting that the three PAC 12 teams not going to bowls are likely Washington
State, Utah and Colorado. That shouldn't surprise anyone.
Utah already played its bowl game a few weeks ago. Staying home for the
Holidays isn't so bad. It wasn't last year was it?