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  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon "I'll bet my bottom dollar...."

    Avenue H. Where shall I pick up the money?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 26, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    FoxNews Aug. 23,2013
    "A letter from 80 Republicans asked Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to resist any spending bills that would accommodate the new health care law, which is nearing a critical stage of signing up millions of Americans for health coverage.

    Because it's virtually certain that President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Senate would reject such demands, leaders of both parties say the standoff likely would result in a partial shutdown of the federal government.

    At least a dozen Senate Republicans have signed a similar letter."

    In what universe does Lee reside--to expect the Senate and the Executive, controlled by the Democrats to agree to repeal/delay/defund their signature first-term achievement?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    The Senator wanted a shutdown and a default to defund a funded law. .hese tactics and strategy call for resignation,

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Fool's names and fool's faces oft are seen in public places. And on TV and almost everywhere else they can find a place to exhibit their foolishness.

    Last time I got a postcard from Mike Lee, he wanted me to send money. The time before that when I received a postcard, it was at one of his "Town Hall Meetings." I was supposed to write any questions or comments on it and hand it to his minions at the door. That way they could screen the question or the comment and make sure it wasn't going to embarrass the poor boy. His little helpers read only the cards they selected. Anyone who tried to speak up in the meeting without the card was shortly hustled out the door.

    So much for that silly idea of Freedom of Speech.

    Maybe that's how Mr. Lee can say "Everyone agrees with me."

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 26, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    Mike Lee - 'Public stand’
    "Public Spectacle"

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 1:05 p.m.


    Then what precisely is a debt ceiling?

    @atl134 "The law itself is good."

    I can tell you now that it will fail, and exactly why: it depends on a nation of 20 and 30 year olds doing something entirely unreasonable. Watch and see.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 26, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    I'll bet my bottom dollar,
    that most ACA haters [T Party, Badgerbadger, Mike Richards, etc.] don't even know what Avenue Utah is on.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 26, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    If Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and so concerned about a balanced budget and deficit spending then why has neither of them discussed closing tax loopholes and raising taxes which is certainly a faster way to get us to those goals than shutting down the government and actually costing us $24 billion in doing so. Lets face it, they don't have a clue how to govern or how to get our country's finances in order. But, of course, we can only blame ourselves since we voted for them.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 12:05 p.m.


    "The only thing that's gone wrong with Obamacare is the registration part. The law itself is good."

    How do you know? Have you read it, all of it? Has it been implemented yet?

    NO, but we have begun to pay a fraction of it, and it is already hurting people.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    You should all be embarrassed by your representation in Washington. From Hatch to the most junior Congressman Stewart, they are participants of mismanagement and sedition. Pawns of the faux, puppets of K street , cash seeking fawns that have yet proposed a solution to anything but stay the course while the middle class goes down the drain. Anyone can identify a problem but did they offer to stem the tide of the rising cost of healthcare that was gobbling up our GNP? Instead we get them advocating for hospitals and medical device companies struggling with 300% profit margins. I know let's blame the minimum wage workers who are collecting food stamps with the advise of their employer. Let's blame those that lost their jobs because we gave tax incentives for their employer to seek slave wage earners overseas. Let's make it impossible for them to reeducate themselves or after encouraging them to use the bankcard give the banks permission to charge Mafia rates. Yes, that's your solutions.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    @T. Party
    The only thing that's gone wrong with Obamacare is the registration part. The law itself is good.

    My mom, who just a couple weeks ago railed against Obamacare because she thought it'd make her premiums skyrocketed, told me yesterday that once she finally got answers to questions like subsidies, she found out her insurance premiums would actually be around 30% less under Obamacare than they were with her previous insurance. Maybe this is why Obamacare has actually polled better the past few weeks than in the months before the site went online, even despite the glitches.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Senator Hatch ran on the balanced budget amendment knowing he would never have to actually do it. He could always blame the democrats for not letting it pass.

    Hatch was in the congress that was controlled by republicans, both houses, and president, all republican controlled, and he didn't get the balanced budget done. If not then, then never, and he knew it. He and the establishment republicans missed a chance to make this country so much better, and they let the party and the country down.

    He is part of the liberalized Washington that has led us to the 17 TRILLION dollar debt we are in now.

    He is also the model of candidate that Count My Vote, a liberal movement, is trying to keep in office.

    Go Lee!!!!

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Oct. 26, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    KDave Unbelievable reversal of blame. You need to watch something more than Fox News or listen to Beck or Limbaugh. Only the congress had the power to shut down the government. Your argument is like blaming the shooting victim because he was in the way of the assassins bullet.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    The methods used here showed the Administration as willing to play fast and loose with the credit standing of the US which, would have meant significant economic consequences for years to come. Compromise, negotiate is an American tradition.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 26, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    What has changed since Obama and Reid ended the government shutdown that they caused? Do we have increased revenues to pay the American debt? Has Congress returned the billions and billions that it has borrowed from the Social Security trust fund? Isn't Obama still spending millions as he visits college campuses and teaches the students that government is their salvation, that some
    "Rich guy" should pay for their personal welfare and that education should be funded by that "rich guy"?

    What has Hatch done to fulfill his campaign promise to remove ObamaCare? Now that he is safely sitting on his Senate Throne, what does he care about keeping campaign promises?

    Increasing the credit card limit does not solve any problem. In a few months Obama and Reid will shut down the government again. Obama will tell the parks department to use their pre-printed signs to deny Americans the right to visit THEIR OWN monuments. It'll be easier next time. This fall was just the dress rehearsal.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    The only two people I heard threatening to shut down the Govt. was Pres Obama and Harry Reid. Then they did it.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 26, 2013 9:10 a.m.


    "Nonsense. If Mike Lee had his way, the government would have been fully funded, with the exception of Obamacare."

    But what is Lee's bargaining position?

    Do we want the debt ceiling talks to be the new bargaining chip to change existing laws?

    Were the Dems responsible for hitting the debt ceiling? Did paying our bills benefit only the Democrats? Wasn't every dollar spent voted on by the House and the Senate?

    The Democrats had no more to gain by paying our bills than the GOP, including Mr Lee. Yet Mr Lee felt that he was entitled to demand something additional in order to fund the government.

    How is that not like a hostage situation?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    The anti-government anti-American-people attitudes seem to appeal to some who then tout the good or bad according to the words of politicians. Early on, the republican’s number one complaint about Obamacare was that they people who voted for it had not read it. I doubt very much that the letter writer has read the Obamacare law and so is just echoing information he has heard from the republican pundits.

    Republicans, conservatives, Tea Party, et al. disregard the knowledge that all freedoms and rights for people come from having a strong government to secure and enforce those freedoms and rights. Their purpose of weakening our national government is so they may more easily limit and control the rights and freedoms for the people under their control.

    It is to our shame that we allow these hucksters to bypass the common sense and thinking parts of our minds.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Irrespective of whether you like Senator Hatch or not, his point is on target.

    The methods used here showed the Tea Partiers as willing to play fast and loose with the credit standing of the US which, had they had their way, would have meant significant economic consequences for years to come.

    Be conservative? Fine. Be foolhardy in your methods? Not if you want to govern.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Mike Lee is an embarrassment. Throwing a public temper tantrum like a toddler is not a principled public stand--its self aggrandizement.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:15 a.m.


    Nonsense. If Mike Lee had his way, the government would have been fully funded, with the exception of Obamacare.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    The GOP has become a loose cannon for the American economy. It's constant threat of shutting down the government and create default over ONE law it doesn't like makes it hard for businesses to plan for the future.

    How many businesses are now bracing for another shutdown threat after the first of the year when budget negotiations are likely to spark TEA partiers to strike again after their successful shutdown this past month? Hunker down... don't invest into any new product launches... don't hire anyone... stuff money into off-shore accounts...

    TEA partiers are praising Cruz and Lee for their ability to drain the economy of business (e.g., $30 million in Utah tourism alone) and incur government expenses for no productivity (e.g., reports of $24 billion in lost government productivity of furloughed workers getting paid anyway).

    Business needs stability and certainty. The GOP's actions show they've lost sight of that fact. Once the party of business, the GOP is now the party of "anti-Obama" -- and it is hurting the economy.

    If the GOP wants to self-destruct, fine. But don't take America's economy with it!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:27 a.m.


    If Mike Lee had his way the country would now be in default. Most likely the stock market would be falling sharply, the world economy would be tanking and unemployment would be heading north and the deficit would be rising.

    Other than that, his plan is sound.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 5:32 a.m.

    Also, Hatch rubber-stamped every Bush fiasco without question. I don't recall reading ANY letters about that.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 12:38 a.m.

    Senator Lee foresaw what a disaster Obamacare would be, and made an all-out attempt to try to save the country from it.

    Orrin Hatch proposed half-measures, and talked a lot, and did nothing. He has a lot of nerve talking about rehabilitation. Utah should have rehabilitated Hatch a long time ago.