@Open Minded Mormon "I'll bet my bottom dollar...."Avenue H. Where shall I pick up the money?
FoxNews Aug. 23,2013"A letter from 80 Republicans asked Speaker John
Boehner, R-Ohio, to resist any spending bills that would accommodate the new
health care law, which is nearing a critical stage of signing up millions of
Americans for health coverage. Because it's virtually certain
that President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Senate would reject such
demands, leaders of both parties say the standoff likely would result in a
partial shutdown of the federal government.At least a dozen Senate
Republicans have signed a similar letter." In what universe does
Lee reside--to expect the Senate and the Executive, controlled by the Democrats
to agree to repeal/delay/defund their signature first-term achievement?
The Senator wanted a shutdown and a default to defund a funded law. .hese
tactics and strategy call for resignation,
Fool's names and fool's faces oft are seen in public places. And on
TV and almost everywhere else they can find a place to exhibit their
foolishness.Last time I got a postcard from Mike Lee, he wanted me
to send money. The time before that when I received a postcard, it was at one
of his "Town Hall Meetings." I was supposed to write any questions or
comments on it and hand it to his minions at the door. That way they could
screen the question or the comment and make sure it wasn't going to
embarrass the poor boy. His little helpers read only the cards they selected.
Anyone who tried to speak up in the meeting without the card was shortly hustled
out the door.So much for that silly idea of Freedom of Speech.Maybe that's how Mr. Lee can say "Everyone agrees with me."
Mike Lee - 'Public stand’or"Public Spectacle"
@JoeBlowThen what precisely is a debt ceiling?@atl134
"The law itself is good."I can tell you now that it will
fail, and exactly why: it depends on a nation of 20 and 30 year olds doing
something entirely unreasonable. Watch and see.
I'll bet my bottom dollar, that most ACA haters [T Party,
Badgerbadger, Mike Richards, etc.] don't even know what Avenue Utah is on.
If Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and so concerned about a balanced budget and deficit
spending then why has neither of them discussed closing tax loopholes and
raising taxes which is certainly a faster way to get us to those goals than
shutting down the government and actually costing us $24 billion in doing so.
Lets face it, they don't have a clue how to govern or how to get our
country's finances in order. But, of course, we can only blame ourselves
since we voted for them.
atl134"The only thing that's gone wrong with Obamacare is
the registration part. The law itself is good."How do you know?
Have you read it, all of it? Has it been implemented yet?NO, but we
have begun to pay a fraction of it, and it is already hurting people.
You should all be embarrassed by your representation in Washington. From Hatch
to the most junior Congressman Stewart, they are participants of mismanagement
and sedition. Pawns of the faux, puppets of K street , cash seeking fawns that
have yet proposed a solution to anything but stay the course while the middle
class goes down the drain. Anyone can identify a problem but did they offer to
stem the tide of the rising cost of healthcare that was gobbling up our GNP?
Instead we get them advocating for hospitals and medical device companies
struggling with 300% profit margins. I know let's blame the minimum wage
workers who are collecting food stamps with the advise of their employer.
Let's blame those that lost their jobs because we gave tax incentives for
their employer to seek slave wage earners overseas. Let's make it
impossible for them to reeducate themselves or after encouraging them to use the
bankcard give the banks permission to charge Mafia rates. Yes, that's your
@T. PartyThe only thing that's gone wrong with Obamacare is the
registration part. The law itself is good. My mom, who just a couple
weeks ago railed against Obamacare because she thought it'd make her
premiums skyrocketed, told me yesterday that once she finally got answers to
questions like subsidies, she found out her insurance premiums would actually be
around 30% less under Obamacare than they were with her previous insurance.
Maybe this is why Obamacare has actually polled better the past few weeks than
in the months before the site went online, even despite the glitches.
Senator Hatch ran on the balanced budget amendment knowing he would never have
to actually do it. He could always blame the democrats for not letting it pass.
Hatch was in the congress that was controlled by republicans, both
houses, and president, all republican controlled, and he didn't get the
balanced budget done. If not then, then never, and he knew it. He and the
establishment republicans missed a chance to make this country so much better,
and they let the party and the country down. He is part of the
liberalized Washington that has led us to the 17 TRILLION dollar debt we are in
now. He is also the model of candidate that Count My Vote, a liberal
movement, is trying to keep in office. Go Lee!!!!
KDave Unbelievable reversal of blame. You need to watch something more than Fox
News or listen to Beck or Limbaugh. Only the congress had the power to shut down
the government. Your argument is like blaming the shooting victim because he
was in the way of the assassins bullet.
The methods used here showed the Administration as willing to play fast and
loose with the credit standing of the US which, would have meant significant
economic consequences for years to come. Compromise, negotiate is an American
What has changed since Obama and Reid ended the government shutdown that they
caused? Do we have increased revenues to pay the American debt? Has Congress
returned the billions and billions that it has borrowed from the Social Security
trust fund? Isn't Obama still spending millions as he visits college
campuses and teaches the students that government is their salvation, that
some"Rich guy" should pay for their personal welfare and that
education should be funded by that "rich guy"?What has Hatch
done to fulfill his campaign promise to remove ObamaCare? Now that he is safely
sitting on his Senate Throne, what does he care about keeping campaign promises?
Increasing the credit card limit does not solve any problem. In a
few months Obama and Reid will shut down the government again. Obama will tell
the parks department to use their pre-printed signs to deny Americans the right
to visit THEIR OWN monuments. It'll be easier next time. This fall was
just the dress rehearsal.
The only two people I heard threatening to shut down the Govt. was Pres Obama
and Harry Reid. Then they did it.
Tparty,"Nonsense. If Mike Lee had his way, the government would
have been fully funded, with the exception of Obamacare."But
what is Lee's bargaining position? Do we want the debt ceiling
talks to be the new bargaining chip to change existing laws?Were the
Dems responsible for hitting the debt ceiling? Did paying our bills benefit
only the Democrats? Wasn't every dollar spent voted on by the House and
the Senate? The Democrats had no more to gain by paying our bills
than the GOP, including Mr Lee. Yet Mr Lee felt that he was entitled to demand
something additional in order to fund the government.How is that not
like a hostage situation?
The anti-government anti-American-people attitudes seem to appeal to some who
then tout the good or bad according to the words of politicians. Early on, the
republican’s number one complaint about Obamacare was that they people who
voted for it had not read it. I doubt very much that the letter writer has read
the Obamacare law and so is just echoing information he has heard from the
republican pundits. Republicans, conservatives, Tea Party, et al.
disregard the knowledge that all freedoms and rights for people come from having
a strong government to secure and enforce those freedoms and rights. Their
purpose of weakening our national government is so they may more easily limit
and control the rights and freedoms for the people under their control. It is to our shame that we allow these hucksters to bypass the common
sense and thinking parts of our minds.
Irrespective of whether you like Senator Hatch or not, his point is on
target.The methods used here showed the Tea Partiers as willing to
play fast and loose with the credit standing of the US which, had they had their
way, would have meant significant economic consequences for years to come.Be conservative? Fine. Be foolhardy in your methods? Not if you want
Mike Lee is an embarrassment. Throwing a public temper tantrum like a toddler
is not a principled public stand--its self aggrandizement.
@JoeBlowNonsense. If Mike Lee had his way, the government would have
been fully funded, with the exception of Obamacare.
The GOP has become a loose cannon for the American economy. It's constant
threat of shutting down the government and create default over ONE law it
doesn't like makes it hard for businesses to plan for the future. How many businesses are now bracing for another shutdown threat after
the first of the year when budget negotiations are likely to spark TEA partiers
to strike again after their successful shutdown this past month? Hunker down...
don't invest into any new product launches... don't hire anyone...
stuff money into off-shore accounts...TEA partiers are praising Cruz
and Lee for their ability to drain the economy of business (e.g., $30 million in
Utah tourism alone) and incur government expenses for no productivity (e.g.,
reports of $24 billion in lost government productivity of furloughed workers
getting paid anyway). Business needs stability and certainty. The
GOP's actions show they've lost sight of that fact. Once the party of
business, the GOP is now the party of "anti-Obama" -- and it is hurting
the economy. If the GOP wants to self-destruct, fine. But
don't take America's economy with it!
Andy,If Mike Lee had his way the country would now be in default.
Most likely the stock market would be falling sharply, the world economy would
be tanking and unemployment would be heading north and the deficit would be
rising.Other than that, his plan is sound.
Also, Hatch rubber-stamped every Bush fiasco without question. I don't
recall reading ANY letters about that.
Senator Lee foresaw what a disaster Obamacare would be, and made an all-out
attempt to try to save the country from it.Orrin Hatch proposed
half-measures, and talked a lot, and did nothing. He has a lot of nerve talking
about rehabilitation. Utah should have rehabilitated Hatch a long time ago.