its good to see a lot of positive talk here...i'd like to ask...if any of
you are worried on Hayward's performance this off season....bumping his
scoring output by just 1 pt...at 15 a game....do you guys think he would be able
to be a 20 something a game guy? with at least 40-42% FG?...and the thing that
strikes me most is the lack of free throws he gets...i no that i should not have
a reason to worry...but his game during this pre-season leaves a lot of question
marks for me....
@scalmanThe jazz were doing nowhere wit the players they had, that
is a fact.The jazz could continue to go nowhere or clean house and
build a team that can,I agree with what they have done, it was
temporarily painful and necessary.You must have the right players,
jazz history has shown you don't get championships because it is your turn
or because you waited 15 years with same old players.
More dribble for ya Scalman:I really hope you're wrong that the Jazz
will be "close to the playoffs" this year. I am comfortable saying that
there is no bigger Jazz fan than me but for the 1st time in my life I won't
be upset if the Jazz lose more games and secure a high lottery pick in the
draft, and that won't be the case if we finish the season as you suggest.
Now if the Jazz shock the world and turn into a real contender this year I would
be ecstatic. Bust since I don't see that happening, I hope the Jazz pave
the way for that lottery pick. Don't come back and say I can't be a
real Jazz fan if I support the Jazz losing games to get a lottery pick. I
guarantee I watch very game and read everything written about the Jazz and
comment on almost every article written. I do care! I'm just tired of
@scalmanWell first, I'm sad you don't see the genius of my
analogy:) I do love the young talent on this team and I strongly support
the Jazz decision to turn the keys over to them. I don't want the Jazz to
just be good, I want to win a dang championship before my days come to an end. I
can see our players becoming very good, but I don't know that Burks for
example will exceed the greatness of Stockton. I don't know if Favors will
exceed the greatness of Malone. Stock and Malone were 2 of the best 50 of all
time and still we couldn't win it all. If you look at the history of NBA
champions, teams like the Lakers, the Celtics, and the Heat more recently it
seems like you almost need to have superstars. We drafted Stock and Malone and I
doubt they would have been here otherwise. I strongly feel like we need to draft
one of these hotshots coming in next years draft to add to our current talent
pool. That's our best chance to get back to the finals.
@AmericanvetI disagree with you that the Jazz's record will be that
poor this year. I realize that I'm in the minority here, but I think that
they will be close to the playoffs unless one of their core four suffers a major
injury. I also don't think that they need a superstar, since they already
have three potential all-stars in Hayward, Favors, and Kanter. I'm not
saying that any of the three will be an all-star this year, but eventually, they
all may. As for getting money off the books for next year, most of that money
will be used to sign Kanter and probably Burks and hopefully a good free agent.
It's not necessary for them to pursue a great player. You are forgetting
the potential already on the team. As for your bunting analogy...you sure
didn't hit that one out of the park.
@scalman,I have a great analogy for you. In baseball, when you have a
runner on 1st with no outs, what does the manager do? Very often they signal the
next batter to bunt to advance the base runner to scoring position even though
the bunter is a pretty sure out. Now baseball players want to hit it out of the
park every time because that's what gets the chicks, but it's all
about the right strategy at the right time. It it seems less disrespectful,
instead of saying the Jazz are tanking this year, just think instead that they
are bunting. It's the right strategy at the right time.
@scalmanI have GoReds back here. I'm not disrespecting NBA players by
agreeing the Jazz best option is to tank this year. The Jazz brass is not
telling the players to play half speed and sure every player wants to play their
best every time they step on the floor. But management has strategically made if
very difficult for the Jazz to win a lot of games by their actions. The Jazz
didn't have to bring in 3 washed up Golden State players but they choose to
do that because all their salaries come off the books next year and that fits
the Jazz long term plans. We could have brought in better players and eked out
40 wins or so but what does that do for us. We need a superstar and management
knows it, and they also know there is only 1 way to get one, and that's in
the draft. So like it or not, our best move is to "tank" this year and
then get ready for a great off season, and years to come.
@GoRedYour opinion that the Jazz should tank this year and that the Spurs
did tank the year before getting Tim Duncan is disrespectful to NBA players.
Although I do wonder about Golden State's slide at the end of the year a
couple of years ago, I think NBA players have too much pride and competitive
spirit to not try to win for a whole year. I'm guessing that you are not a
real NBA fan. I think that Hayward is a better man-to-man defender than
Kirilenko was, while Kirilenko was amazing as a floating defender. Hayward
deserves to be locked in with a long-term deal. If you look a bit long term, the
Jazz apparently came up big in this year's draft. I see all three joining
the core four for a championship run in a couple of years...that means signing
Kanter and I'm pretty sure Burks next summer. Go Jazz!
I agree with Morgan Duel. The Jazz are not "awful". On the contrary,
they have a lot of solid, talented players---they're just very young. I
think the Jazz management have made several bold moves, especially in NOT
re-signing Al and Milsap. I think the key for this year, whether we want to
admit it or not, is to LOSE as many games as we can get away with to put us in a
position to get one of the top three or four exceptional players who will be
available in next year's loaded NBA draft. I mean, the Spurs did that
years ago when David Robinson was "injured" for exactly one year. By
finishing at the bottom, they earned the rights in the '97 draft to get Tim
Duncan, which obviously ended up being the missing piece that they needed.
Man in the middle, I am not sure if you are correct in your assessment of the
Jazz players, there is some pretty good talent. The problem is can the coaching
staff develop the talent and use it correctly. The players must develop
consistency. Having one or two players scoring 10 to 15 points once in a while
will not make it, but having three players that score 15 to 20 plus against
every team and play good defense is a must. Only time will tell though I have
little faith in the Coaching.
"The Next Deron Williams?"Hello, Rock, if you want someone
good to compare, why not John Stockton? What have D-Will done to the Jazz
except all the drama? How many All-Star team he made while he was here?
Finals? Conference finals?
The Jazz are AWFUL. If you took all of the players in the NBA - put every
player available into a new draft - and pick new teams - not one player on the
Jazz would get picked in the top 50. We're not even close to having an
All-Star....not even close - let alone having one of the ten best players. Just awful.