Compromise or collusion? Mike Lee draws a line in the sand

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  • Hospitality SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 4:39 a.m.

    Such lost thinking I read in the comments! Lee is trying to get the government off our backs, and most of you are demanding that it drive you as slaves! I'm afraid you'll get what you want. If nothing else, the government shut-down at least showed how far-reaching the government tentacles have grown, exceeding the limits put forth by the Constitution which were set there to keep us a free people. We should have been untouched by the shut-down, as in all previous shut-downs. Almost half the country wants the government to take care of them. The other half wants freedom to take care of themselves. I don't want government healthcare, thank you; I can take far better care of myself, and I wish to keep my healthcare private. Let those who want it, go ahead and indulge themselves. Let those who don't want it, opt out.

    The ACA isn't even legal. Thirty million words have been added to it since it was signed into law, which have not been voted on by Congress.

  • mtgrantlass Camden Wyoming, DE
    Nov. 2, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    You people in Utah have been hoodwinked by the Progressives in your Republican party, Orrin Hatch being el primero Progressive. You have a true, Constitutionalist amongst you, in Mike Lee, and you don't even know what that means. You are believing the Progressive attack machine. Wake up! The only difference between a Progressive and a Communist is the former believes in "quiet" revolution and takeover, while the other requires a bloodbath to accomplish their ends. If you can't see what's happening to America, you'll prob never get it.

    Oct. 29, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Of course the conservatives here will repeat the mantra that congress didn't shut down the government, but that Obama wouldn't compromise. Obama may not be the best president in history, but he did try to be bipartisan during the entire first term and got fed up with the conservative gamesmanship afterward. So now the blame shifts and the FAUX news faithful repeat and repeat that mantra Goebbels made so famous in Nazi Germany: If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes truth."

    As for the web site's working or not, yes there are problems, but I hardly think Obama somehow is deliberately trying to sabotage his own program. Give I time . . . a least Obamacare offers a measure of relief from the obscene costs of private health care in the USA. Take a look for the benefits that Repubs want so much to conceal from readers: I don't see that Mr Lee and his kind are showing any of that LDS compassion he made a promise to offer. No alternative plans, only obfuscation, like most politicians.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    "See comment above by mark, a liberal. He has integrity."

    Yes, I do. But you, you present my words out of context. I don't agree with what you are saying. Not for a second. Obviously Senator Lee was a leading driving force behind the closing of the government, like I said in my first post. Have some integrity and don't try to twist what I'm saying.

    Oh, by the way, don't try to fit me in your box.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Oct. 28, 2013 5:08 p.m.


    Please address the substance of the arguments I and others are making instead of resorting to attacks on our integrity.


    Your accusations against DOD are so devoid of facts and legal understanding that there's simply nowhere to begin within the 200 word limit. I'm taking your accusations to work to show my colleagues for a couple chuckles. More and more of them are waking up to the reality that the far right's rhetoric about patriotism falls well short of actually supporting or paying for a strong national defense.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    The bar for Hero must be pretty darn low.

    I respect integrity too, that's why I don't respect a liar like mike lee.
    Why so many fans of deceit in the tea party?

    Lets see if Boner keeps his rule change in place, you know that little change that only allowed him or Eric to bring a vote?

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    I agree with Senator Lee: “It’s important to remember sometimes a fight is worth fighting; sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to fight, even when victory is far from certain. A lot of the most important efforts in American history, and in the history of our state for that matter, have been undertaken in circumstances when victory was far from certain. Fortunately there were individuals that didn’t shrink from the fight strictly because they weren’t sure they could win."

    He is a hero.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    It is unfortunate that we don't have more people in congress who are as dedicated as Lee and Cruz. The may be called 'hardheaded' or uncompromising' but whatever they really are is what it is going to take to get this country back on track after 30 some odd years of erosion.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 5:24 a.m.

    Re: "I deeply resent the accusation that this was done as some sort of "welfare" for the DC area . . . ."

    Resent away. Doesn't change the facts.

    Nearly all federal workers excepted from furlough were in DoD. They were sent back to work, not by any Democrat compromise, but by a tortured, illegal reading of a bill designed, for political reasons only, to take active-duty military pay off the table, lessening heat on the Obamna regime to end its cynical lockout.

    This was done -- curiously -- halfway into the furlough, though the regime's lawyers asserted it had authority all along.

    DoD personnel then went back, without funds for travel, training, equipment -- even light and heat -- though another disingenuous reading of the Feed and Forage Act kept the lights on.

    Truth is, though, under such conditions, no meaningful work was performed during that period. It merely took another area of regime vulnerability off the table and provided welfare to the largest federal agency and largest employer in the DC-area and East-Coast Corridor.

    Nothing more.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 12:15 a.m.

    "But Mike Lee is—and Cruz is not—the understated, policy-oriented leader behind the Defund Obamacare movement, according to several conservative leaders who spoke to TIME.

    The Senate Republican leadership had released statements hammering the President for delaying the employer mandate while leaving the individual mandate in place. But Lee took it one step further. On July 9, he released a statement laying out the strategy the House Republican leadership later adopted: fund everything but Obamacare in the bill that needs to pass by October 1 to keep the government open. He challenged congressional Democrats to shut it down, and then worked behind the scenes at the Republican conference lunches to garner support for defunding Obamacare. At the time, the press was largely focused on the turmoil in Egypt, Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s choice to not seek another term, and filibuster reform. Two days later, Cruz introduced a bill with 29 other Republican senators to fully defund the Affordable Care Act. But it was Lee who orchestrated the outside the beltway response that would bring Washington to its knees."

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:16 p.m.


    "Badger, clearly Senator Lee did not shut down the government on his own with his one vote."

    Thank you!!! Finally the truth, and spoken by a liberal. I respect integrity.


    See comment above by mark, a liberal. He has integrity.

    Lee did vote no, along with 40ish other senators, on the only 2 funding bills Reid allowed a vote on, and they both passed, negating Lee's vote. He had no effect. Had Reid allowed the departmental funding bills to go to a vote, I believe Lee would have voted yes, but we will never know for sure.

    Res Novae

    See comment above by mark, a liberal. He has integrity.

    So it was the house members who committed and successfully kept UN-ACA funding out of the original CR. Do you know who they all are? You should go after them, not Lee.

    Yes Lee spoke his mind. Debating is part of the job. That is why they debate in chamber. Lee is just good at it, but instead of supporting an effective congressmen, you hate him.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    I would argue that what America is waking up to is the recognition that the Tea Party is spending too much time in office.

  • bill in af American Fork, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    Mike Lee has failed to realize that he is to represent the people of Utah; not his own personal agenda. The majority of people in Utah are moderate in their thinking (whether they are Republican or Democrat) and they are not being listened to. Time to stop listening to the ulta-conservative tea party, Mike, and looking ahead to your own re-election. We all lost when Bob Bennett was not re-elected. As a former Republican State Delegate, 2016 can't come soon enough to get you out.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    July 22, 2013:

    Speaking on Fox News, Lee said Republicans determined that refusing to fund Obamacare was the "last stop" before the individual mandate and the law's health insurance exchanges are set to go into effect at the beginning of next year.
    Congress of course has to pass a law to continue funding government -- lately we've been doing that through a funding mechanism called a continuing resolution," Lee said. "If Republicans in both houses simply REFUSE TO VOTE for any continuing resolution that contains further funding for further enforcement of Obamacare, we can stop it. We can stop the individual mandate from going into effect."

    "..But what I am saying is I will not vote for a continuing resolution that contains funding for further Obamacare implantation and enforcement. So far I have got, I don't know, 13 or 14 Senate Republicans who have joined me. I think a corresponding effort is starting to be kicked off in the House."

    Furthermore, the Senate voted on the House measure prior to the shutdown.
    Did the House allow a vote on the Senate measure--a clean continuing resolution?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the government shut down.

    Even the most liberal among us KNOWS Lee did NOT shut down the government with his one senate vote out of 100.

    John Boehner shut it down, with his position of obstructionism.

  • Mongoose 300 SLC, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    It's funny how people talk about Compromise in government. People who are angry at the GOP aren't even thinking about how they run their own families? What would you think if your spouse wanted to go $30,000.00 in debt to pay for things you couldn't afford but you say you could only afford $2,000.00 in debt. Do you just compromise, meet your spouse halfway, and go $16,000 in debt?; or do you start compromising and agreeing on what you can pay for and quickly act to keep paying the most important things?

    Well that's exactly what the Republicans did. They passed bill after bill to fund the things that are most popular with the American People but the Democrats said all or nothing. What if your spouse said "We will no longer buy food until you agree to go on vacation to Europe". Is that insane? Wake up America, get a spine, and stop letting the Democrats scare tactics get to you.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Mike Lee has been spinning his spin so long, he's downright dizzy.

  • Mongoose 300 SLC, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    The people who are blaming the GOP aren't paying attention and have chosen to listen to the mainstream media, which is a campaign arm of the Democratic party.

    The President has executive discretion to prioritize spending and he chose to purposely not act on family's death benefits and the defense department chose to purposely misinterpret the bill that the Republican's sent through which gave plenty of discretionary leeway to do so. All he needed to do was sign an Executive Order, just like he has actually did to totally disregard the law in other circumstances.

    It makes me shake my head in disappointment that American's claim to hate the spending and debt problems in Washington and they want to see it changed, but yet they somehow expect the majority of establishment politicians that are at fault to just roll over without any resistance or deception at all; and they aren't willing to fight even though others have given up their very lives for freedom. Shame on the American people for losing their moral fiber and being angry at those who would fix it! The Democrats have American ignorance on their side!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    Badger, clearly Senator Lee did not shut down the government on his own with his one vote. But he did support the stance that led to the government shutdown. Not only did he support it, but he was a leader and pusher of the group and policy that led directly to the shutdown. This was a group that advocated for the shutdown of the government. For Senator Lee to imply that he was unaware that these policy moves, that he was a leading driver of, would not lead to government shutdown is, at the best, disingenuous. He needs to embrace his roll in the closing of the government to have any integrity on this issue. And I'm sure he would if the polls were not running against the Republican roll in the shutdown. If the polls were saying the shutdown was embraced I guarantee Senator Lee would be crowing about his leading the charge to shutdown the government.

    For him to say that he is not playing politics is laughable. If the people that will put him on the next ballot were not the fringe Tea Party, I'm imagine he would be playing this totally different.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Oct. 27, 2013 2:46 p.m.


    "So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the government shut down."

    The Rightwing needs to get its talking points straight. Either Mike Lee had no influence on the shutdown (In which case why are so many of you heaping accolades on him?), or he did play a role.

    Mike Lee, together with Cruz and a handful of other Senators, signed a letter lobbying the rest of the GOP senate membership to defund ACA using the threat of a shutdown as leverage. A similar letter was signed by Tea Party members of the House. Knowing that his Senate efforts would fail, Lee actively encouraged the House's TP contingent to pursue that strategy. In August, TP group Freedom Works stated, "Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) and Congressman Mark Meadows (R-NC) are leading the charge to get their colleagues to commit to this approach, by putting their signatures to a letter affirming that they will refuse to vote for a CR that contains Obamacare funding."

    No, Lee isn't solely responsible. But he was at the forefront, and arguing that he's 1 of 100 and had clean hands is absurd.

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    Oct. 27, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    If people really believe Lee has the people of Utah in his mind as he votes, I have some swamp land to sell you. His voting record lines up 100% for the super PAC funder Freedom works. He is nothing more than a puppet, doing the bidding of his master. He is no more principled than any other in office. It's amazing how so many can be fooled with simple political spin. Look at the actions. They didn't help Utah at all. Small business owners and rural communities were the ones that suffered for his fruitless efforts.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Oct. 27, 2013 2:36 p.m.


    I'm not sure how passing mini-appropriations bills for NPS, but not HHS; the VA, but not the IRS; FEMA but not DOL, etc, can be considered anything BUT cherrypicking!

    I also don't understand your tirade against the Pay Our Military Act, which was passed before the shutdown and had nothing to do with the subsequent mini-appropriations bills what the House passed after the shutdown began. It also only applied to DOD workers, no one else.

    Equally difficult to understand is why you would oppose bringing hundreds of thousands of DOD employees back. As an excepted DOD employee who was working throughout, I testify that during the initial furlough, before Hagel decided to recall everyone, there was massive disruption in DOD, disruptions which impacted overseas operations, including war zones. Thanks to dedicated DOD personnel, uniformed and civilian, those disruptions were mitigated by reopening and redoubling efforts.

    I deeply resent the accusation that this was done as some sort of "welfare" for the DC area when the majority of DOD employees do not live here. Go to the Ogden area and tell residents that reopening HAFB was "welfare".

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Mike Lee is worse at twisting the meaning of words that Bill Clinton ever was. He advocated shutting down the government over one political issue and lost. Now he's resorting to the usual politician's trick of blaming the press coverage.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Sen. Lee et al voted to fund everything except Obamacare. So who exactly shut down the government. Numerous times Bush compromised when the Dems did not agree to evrything he wanted. He did not shut down the government because he did not get wvrything his way. The Dems use a different dictionary than the rest of us. Compromise means agreeing with the President (when a Democrat) on anything. Remember Hillary's comments on "the loyal opposition?" Lee is one of few politicians who has the integrity to do the right thing - even if unpopular.

    Unfortunately, Americans get to politicians we deserve and will eventually face a real economic crisis like Greece or Spain because we let politicians bribe us with our own money.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    re: SoCalChris

    "Doesn't matter how good your legal arguments are if you can't sell them to the jury"

    Mike Lee & Marcia Clark are 2 peas outta the same pod??

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 27, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    "So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the government shut down."

    Ok... lets make this real simple. Lee would not support any bills that strictly dealt with funding the government, without trying to kill a program not through its repeal, but by forcing votes on bills that included language to defund, or delay, the role out of a law. He would not vote yes on a clean budget, with out anti Obamacare\ACA language.

    The only thing he would vote yes for is something he knew would not pass. There was no way killing ACA view budget was going to pass the senate, nor get the signature of the president. He would not vote yes for anything that was subject specific.

    I am not sure how hard that is to understand. Where does a simple "no" vote become hard to understand?

    Lee unfortunately has produced nothing on the subject other then grand standing and very meaningless self promotions... he has not proposed a single viable solutions. That is the easy work. Lets see if he can do the harder work of coming up with a solution everyone can live with.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Oct. 27, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    One day:

    Our government will run out of other people's money.

    When that happens:

    Nationwide unemployment will top 20%.
    You will wait in long lines to get mediocre health care.
    A loaf of bread will cost $10.00, a gallon of gas $15.00.
    The government will tell you what type of car you can buy.
    Those considered too old, will be allowed to die or euthanized.
    The government will order you to not burn any trash of any kind.
    The federal government will take more than 50% of what you earn.
    The US dollar will no longer be used by other countries to buy oil
    Our children and grandchildren will despise our foolish spending ways.
    The government will raid your bank accounts and impose an "emergency tax."

    Senators Lee and Cruz, I salute you for trying to stop US from heading down the wrong road. History will prove that what you did was the right thing. Those who criticize you now will look back in the years to come and realize just how foolish they were to believe that government can give them for free what it takes from others with no consequences.

  • Andy Gundersen Sandy, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Mike Lee has brought nothing to the table, since being elected, except obstruction. Our House and Senate are supposed to work in concert to craft legislation that benefits the citizenry of our country. They are supposed to do the work necessary to move our country forward. Yet, in all their glory, this new breed of politician refuses to engage and recoils at the idea of civility. They have brought civil discourse to a new low, and are encouraging citizens to do the same. There is nothing patriotic about what these "Patriots" are doing. They are tearing away at the soul of America. It takes cooperation and a collective effort to address and solve the problems our society faces. Yet, Senator Lee and his contemporaries continue to pander to a very small segment of the electorate. It is my hope that when Lee's first term is over, Utahns will send someone into the game that won't sit on the bench and pout.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the government shut down.

    Even the most liberal among us KNOWS Lee did NOT shut down the government with his one senate vote out of 100.

    Harry Reid shut it down, with his position of leadership.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    ""What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we never needed that, we never advocated for that.”

    • Senate votes 206, 207, 208 and 209 on Sept. 27. In each of these votes, including both procedural and substantive votes, Lee joined most Republicans in voting against a "clean" continuing resolution. He did so because the measure in question continued to fund Obamacare, a policy he opposed. Still, had he voted for these bills, they would have funded the government "fully."

    • Senate votes 210 and 211 on Sept. 30. In both votes, Lee sided with Republicans in opposing a Senate Democratic move to strip anti-Obamacare provisions from a continuing resolution that had been passed by the House and that would have otherwise funded the government.

    • Senate vote 216 on Oct. 12. Lee voted against another Democratic effort to pass a "clean" continuing resolution. The vote failed to reach the required 60-vote threshold because the Democrats couldn’t persuade any Republicans to break ranks.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    "What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we never needed that, we never advocated for that.”

    Senator Lee,
    Q: Did you vote yea or nay on Sept. 27 to allow the Senate to vote on the House bill which included defunding Obamacare, didn't raise taxes and kept sequestration in place?

    A: Nay.
    You were one of the 19 in the Senate who voted against bringing the House bill for a vote in the Senate. 79 voted in favor of bringing the House bill for a vote.

    Q: Did you vote yea or nay on Oct. 16th to end the govt. shutdown?
    A: Nay

  • funny_guy Vacaville, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    All of you naysayers need to reconsider the options. You are accusing Sen. Lee of highjacking government when, in fact, Pres. Obama has held all Americans hostage to his tricks and shenanigans for five years. He has lied to us repeatedly and no one, especially the media, has called him out on it except for a few brave "mavericks" like Mike Lee.

    Obamacare is so costly it will most likely break us financially, not to mention, take away our healthcare options. There will be death panels that will decide who lives and dies. Do you really want some bureaucrat deciding your fate? Kathleen Sebelius has already said -- "some will live and some will die."

    Obama and all "elitist" Progressives (i.e. Democrats) believe they are smarter than us and want to FUNDAMENTALLY change America by removing our civil liberties one by one. Similar to slowly increasing the heat so that the frog is unaware it is being cooked.

    Thank goodness for people like Mike Lee who are brave enough to to stand up for all of the stupid frogs so we can enjoy our God given inalienable rights for another day.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Lee you made me proud to be from the state of Utah, keep up the good fight. I cannot afford to see my HC go up 300%. Keep it up you have my vote.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Doesn't matter how good your legal arguments are if you can't sell them to the jury. The GOP should be focused on winning more elections not feel good stunts that cause public opinion to drop.

  • wilson-kelly Vale, OR
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Too bad he has to fight big Gov AND the people in his state who want more of it!
    You can tell there are many Fed.Gov. employees in Utah who are upset about their unscheduled vacation!
    Hope they are planning for the one they get in January!
    According to the Pres., the Government is the largest employer. That should cause an educated person to stop and think. Your employer is $$trillions in debt... ARE YOU THINKING YOUR JOB IS SECURE??? Better start looking at plan B.
    I would love to trade senators, I have one here in Oregon who really has your back when it comes to big Government! So rest assured, Sen. Lee's actions are balance well with my senator's.
    My next big test will be trying to be nice while getting what others deserve.
    Party on people! Someone else is picking up your tab.... for a little while anyway.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Re: "The GOP introduced bills to reopen piecemeal, cherry-picked portions of the government that would be politically palatable to their base . . . ."

    Such mindless mouthing of a disingenuous and readily refuted liberal talking point shows, not just contempt for the readers it attempts to influence, but for truth, as well.

    Well-known truth is, nearly all government employees sent back to work during the Obama/Reid lockout were excepted from furlough by a tortured, unsustainable reading of the Pay Our Miltary Act by presidentially appointed lawyers within Obama's heavily politicized Department of "Justice."

    This was done, not out of concern for national defense, as putting defense personnel back to work, while denying them the tools and equipment necessary to do their jobs, had no beneficial effect on readiness, and amounted to nothing more than welfare for a large portion of Washington residents and a worthless political nostrum to Americans worried about the effects on our readiness posture of Obama's lockout.

    The Obama/Reid lockout, including its media disinformation campaign, was disingenuous liberal politics at its finest!

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    You are part of the problem or you are part of the solution. Mike Lee is part of the problem. He has yet to come up with any solutions to any of the problems and so called problems. As far as what Utahn's elected him to do, we may differ on what that is, but I am pretty sure we didn't elect him to go off to Iowa to test the Presidential waters. Mr. Lee if he is serious needs to come up with some solutions. Anyone can bash someone else's ideas. It takes a real leader to come up with solutions and then get a coalition together to pass legislation. He has shown no ability to come up with ideas and to put together a coalition, therefore he is part of the problem not part of the solution.

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    Funny how people who advocate living within our means, having a budget, and following the constitution are now considered extremists, and those who advocate an all-powerful federal government that decides what kind of health care we can buy, what cars we can drive and spends billions of our own money listening to our phone calls are considered mainstream.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Accepting Mr. Lee's version of the government shutdown would be akin to sympathizing with the man who arrogantly walks across the busy freeway during traffic peak hours, and after lying in the hospital being tended to his wounds brashly complaining that it was not his intent to be hit. Come Mr. Lee, your constituents have more sense then you give them credit.

  • Kim Cedar Park, Texas
    Oct. 27, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Mike Lee is disingenuous when he states is was never his intention to cause a government shutdown. The shutdown was well understood by republicans several months ago as the likely outcome of the ill conceived strategy that was being pushed by the right wing extremists of the party along with their support groups. Just ask the moderate republicans who opposed it.

  • Carolina K RALEIGH, NC
    Oct. 27, 2013 6:32 a.m.

    So thankful for Senator Lee and those that don't worry about getting reelected. We are heading down the wrong road!! WIsh our Republican Senator here in North Carolina would take a stand. He's mush!!

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 5:36 a.m.

    In all of this truth is scarce and difficult. America is going through a massive social shift and it is going to get worse, much worse. We had a shutdown because Obama, Reid and Democratic operatives wanted it. They refused to negotiated or compromise, to the point of Reid making his famous statement about refusing to help a child with cancer.

    The economic model of reform is Hegelian destruction. We know the debt added by Obama since he took office. Less known is the debt incurred by the Federal Reserve under Obama's leadership. An audit of the Federal Reserve shows they've printed and lent at zero percent interest over $16 trillion! Between Obama's $7 trillion and this we've seen $24 trillion plus of Keynesian "investment." It hasn't worked.

    All of this relates to Obamacare in that the real costs are like triple reported. We are in a debt war in DC and history shows this will not end well. Soon.

    The shutdown showed America we can live just fine with a 15% reduction in Federal spending. But alas, Keynesian economics insists on more, always more. Still doesn't work, but always more. A Japanes model and another lost decade.

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    Oct. 27, 2013 5:26 a.m.

    Senator Lee won't find many interested in his self-serving, image-polishing representations of his noble intent -- ideologues and gullibles excepted. He was an architect of an anti-democratic challenge to the rule of law. He and his party will pay for it if the US electorate can hold on to its historical memory for the next year.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 27, 2013 3:55 a.m.


    "Not buying the monuments were closed." Photos from the '95-'96 shutdown say otherwise. So does the testimony of the NPS chief when he was hauled before Congress. I concede that the WWII Memorial wasn't closed off then - 30 seconds of research explains why.

    "That takes additional man power/money to close them." Cost isn't the driving concern in a shutdown. In fact, it's more expensive to shutdown the government than to keep it open. Bear in mind that there were several vandalisms of DC monuments over the summer. The NPS has to mitigate risk to the monuments. If the NPS hadn't taken steps to secure them and something had happened, the Right would be castigating them for THAT. That some 'patriots' who stormed the barricades at the WWII Memorial with Sen. Lee climbed on top of the monument's pillars further strengthens the need to keep it protected even in a shutdown.

    The Right's sudden concern about the NPS is heartening considering how much deficit hawks have targeted its budget.

    ADA= government abbreviation of previously mentioned Antideficiency Act. More people should understand what the ADA is and how pivotal it is to government operation.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 1:00 a.m.

    Who hasn’t had even one budget passed during his entire time as US President, when even his own party wouldn’t buy in to his proposed budgets?

    OK, there are people on both sides that aren’t being smart, but the majority of the problem has been with the US Senate Democratic Majority Leader and our current US President.

    Our US President isn't implementing all of ObamaCare. He thinks not enforcing the law because it or the Country isn't ready for it is fine, but if Congress delays implementing part of it because we don't have the money, that is not OK?

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    The public wants simple talk Mr. Lee, your answers here in this article may be 100 percent accurate, yet the public doesn't think like you; you are an attorney. One reason Mr. Clinton has a gift is, he makes complex things simple for the common person. The 30 second sound bite from the media wins, people are busy and want things simple. Yes, media is out of control and they eventually brought down the last two presidents.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    Oct. 26, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    Lee talks about people losing their jobs. Come 2016, if my vote has anything to do with it, he will lose his job.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 10:52 p.m.


    Not buying the monuments were closed. The info booths, which required someone to man them, were closed, but the open air monuments were not fenced off and closed. That takes additional man power/money to close them.

    The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) effected the shutdown how?

    If my family were spending twice what we made, we would look at our spending, item by item, to see what we could reduce or eliminate. That is not called 'piecemeal', but rather responsible budgeting. It is what Washington should have been doing since January 1st, instead of chasing the squirrels, like gun control.

    Demanding that we continue to spend our grandchildren's money is holding them hostage. And for what? another entitlement we can't afford, to line the pockets of insurance companies, on the backs of the middle class.

    Where was the part about how Lee shut down the government with his one vote out of 100?


    Lee is supposed to fix the economy with his one vote while the entire media and democrat party dog pile him every time he says anything. Where are the FT jobs BO/HR created?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    Beart: If what we have now is a democracy, can you please explain what that means? It's a delusion, particularly so for those who believe that his/her vote actually has made a difference in what has happened in Washington D.C. the past half century. It is only through independent minded citizens and independent minded Senators and congressman that we have a chance to make a difference in the future. If all a person can do is support his/her Republican or Democratic candidate, then I will continue to have to suffer fools for believing that 'principle above politics' is an actuality. Mike Lee, whether you like him or not, has only done what he said he would do, and that, my friend, is refreshing. I wish we had more! Many more!

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    Who will tell seniors we need to cut medicare and who will tell the poor we need to cut medicaid? The military has been cut already, and taxes are raised on the rich. Things will work out. Medicare and medicaid are big part of government spending. Term limits, is what I think Mr. Lee is talking about, with term limits you get in and get out, fight hard, and then get out. Nobody fights hard and stays around for decades, maybe like the song says, "only the good die young."

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Senator Mike Lee fought for Utah's conservative values.

    He supported numerous ways to keep the government open (except Obamacare) but the Reid and Obama refused to accept anything less than 100% of their demands. So much for "compromise."

    At least Mike Lee has the guts to fight for his beliefs, even if some disagree with them.

    By the way, don't we have TWO Senators? Where was the other one, and what was he doing to stop Obamacare and runaway spending, as he promised us a year ago when running for office (again, and again....)?

    Bravo Mike Lee! And Ted Cruz!

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 7:59 p.m.

    Senator Lee takes a stand. He is a hero.

    Oct. 26, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    Of course Mr. Lee and his kind can parse words to make themselves appear innocent of any wrongheaded notions on any topic. It is the justification all the tea partiers use. For this reason, they are a true danger to our democracy, no matter what they say. Lee's associations and the axriona we were able tos ee in regard to the shutdown give to lie to any justification he thinks to make for his "sacred obligation" to Utah voters. What a sad and ironic used of that word, sacred.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    How many jobs did you help create since being in Congress, Senator Lee. How have you helped the economy? How much has your income and other "perks" grown since arriving in Congress? Senator Lee would do well to respond as to why he has done nothing to help the economy and job growth.

  • Smokey Lonesome WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    The tea party or republicans did not cause the shut down, in fact the republicans put up enough bills to keep all of government going except the affordable care act. President Obama and Harry Reid of the senate denied all bills. This was carefully planned to take place. How else do you account for all the professionally made signs at all of the national parks, the block aids on the national mall and more employees on the national mall to keep people out than it took to keep it open? politics both sides but this one mostly the liberals and the media are to blame.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:47 p.m.

    Instead of spinning the unspinable, he should resign.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    Anyway you can take Washington down you have my vote Mike. Washington only represents the corrupt interests of government and corporate monopolies. They forgot about defending individuals in their God-given rights a half century or longer ago. They have stifled liberty,spent us into oblivion, and are ready to pull the lever on more. Those who have been hurt the worst by this process are the poor, women, and families, although every Democrat and Republican will trot out their favorite enslavement program that has only guaranteed their continued poverty. Anything any honest congressmen can do to tear it apart has my vote. Any congressman that is willing to tear down the prison and hold the criminals accountable has my support. I challenge anyone to tell me any congressmen in the past fifty years that has keep the promises they gave when they campaigned! Mike Lee comes as close to it as anyone, whether you agree with him or not. Barack Obama, if judged on what he promised, would have to go down as one of the greatest liars in history. The pro Obama supporters will say 'every politician lies'. Wow, where does that leave us.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 26, 2013 5:11 p.m.


    The parks WERE closed in the '95-'96 shutdown. I saw the barriers in front of the Lincoln Memorial and Smithsonian museums myself. Places like the Grand Canyon were opened because the states funded them themselves.

    If you take issue with the way in which various departments handle a lapse in appropriations, take it up with Congress, which passed the ADA decades ago, and the Office of Management and Budget, which established the same shutdown procedures back when Obama was still a law student.

    The GOP introduced bills to reopen piecemeal, cherry-picked portions of the government that would be politically palatable to their base, and they did so solely as a weak rebuttal when blamed for the shutdown that THEY ENGINEERED.

    Beyond butchering the appropriations process works, it's the equivalent of releasing a few hostages until the terrorists' demands are met. Their fundamental job is to sustain general government operations, not just the ones they like. And the GOP, not the Dems, folded when they took a dive in popularity.

    Arguing that this was about a CR that we can't afford is sheer revisionism. The GOP had no problem with funding everything; they targeted Obamacare.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Unreconstructed Reb-

    If shutting down the parks was law, how come Clinton left them open during his shutdown?

    Who wanted the shutdown and made it happen?

    Obama was the one who stated he wouldn't negotiate or compromise. He then chose to shut down whatever was most visible to voters, using extra manpower to do it. It seems like he wanted the shutdown.

    Harry Reid refused to bring any budget/funding bill to the floor, other than a CR for everything, which we clearly cannot afford, or we wouldn't have to borrow 45% of it every day, month, and year. He wouldn't negotiate, or even talk to the republicans.

    Reid and Obama thought the shutdown would only hurt republicans, so they were only too happy to do it. They only came to the table when they realized that their popularity was tanking.

    Who caused the shutdown? Not Mike Lee. He is just one vote, of 100, in the senate.

    I dare you to explain how the shutdown was Mike Lee's doing!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    Mike Lee is the Jefferson Smith of our day! If Mike Lee cracks, he will have one that will vote him out and drag as many as I possibly can to do likewise. He is an absolute hero at present. My only advice to Mike Lee is to stay only one, maybe two terms, or he will follow in the same pattern as all the rest of the politicians who have lost their souls in Washington for the very things Mike states, because they only want to get re-elected rather than do what is right for the people. The Democratic and Republican parties have literally destroyed this country. It is the Independents who will make Washington change its ways. The non-thinkers of this world are the Democrats and Republicans. Wake up and educate yourself voters. Quit taking the democratic or republican talking points and merrily go on your way. Both are equivalent to the man behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz! 'Pay no attention to him'!

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 26, 2013 3:11 p.m.


    "First, 85% of the government..." That's heavily skewed by the fact that DOD, the largest employer in the world with 3.2 million employees, was almost 100% mission-essential. Most other agencies were gutted. National parks were closed by LAW, not by choice. Anyone who doesn't understand the Antideficiency Act has no business commenting on what was closed and what wasn't.

    "clearly the Senate Democrats and the president that shut down..." Nonsense. The GOP talked about a shutdown showdown since August. They tried making hash of an already busted appropriations process to defund a program that had nothing to do with the appropriations bill. Taking the government hostage because they can't succeed with the normal legislative process, and then blaming the other side for not negotiating is absurd, and the overwhelming majority of Americans see right through them.

    "Obama has delayed certain aspects of the law just as Republicans had proposed!" Nope. The **only** reason the Repubs wanted to delay ACA was to give them more bites at the apple to repeal it. Because they're OBSESSED with nothing else, they want to continue trying their 40+ meaningless votes to do just that.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    It is amazing that so many are believing what the media say: that the Republicans shut down the government.

    First, 85% of the government remained functional and open. It is both embarrassing and revealing that Obama chose to tape of and barricade national open-air monuments.

    Second, It was clearly the Senate Democrats and the president that shut down the government as they refused to compromise. They refused to send a Senate delegation to negotiate with the House, and they refused to consider anything at all.

    Lastly, because the Obamacare website is such a mess, Obama has delayed certain aspects of the law just as Republicans had proposed!

    Democrats and Obama are peddling snake oil to the American people.

  • Kateme Massapequa , NY
    Oct. 26, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    I think you posters need to wake up and smell the coffee. What worked in the past in Congress will not work now. The Democrat party has become "progressive" and they will not do anything that entails compromise or bi-partisanship. They deal in conjecture and untruths. The are working to transform this country whatever way they can. Politicians like Hatch and Huntsman can vow to do whatever they think to "compromise" and get along, but they are ignoring the facts. Healthcare and the control of people - their lives and choices - is the first step to the great transformation. Mike Lee not only fought for Utah, he fought for all Americans. Americans who know what we are facing and understand what is happening will support him.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 26, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Lee's strategy..... were not going to fix the law, we just not going to fund the law. Thats like saying "we know the other team is better, were not going to cancel the game, we are just not going to show up." And then in the end claim that your didn't lose the game.

    Senator Lee, you lost the game. And that is the problem.... it is a game rather than a serious attempt to fix what is wrong with American health care delivery. You don't fix the problem by not showing up... and so far... the Republicans just want to not show up.

    Obama's game may be flawed.... but he showed up to the game. He has won by default. Perhaps it is time for the Republicans to actually show up... and provide their own solution we can all rally around. Until then....

  • metisophia Ogden, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    And we still have never seen an alternative to the ACA from the Republicans. Shame on Lee for his double dealing.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 26, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    "What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we never needed that, we never advocated for that."

    When a shutdown is the leverage you willingly and intentionally chose to try to get your way, this statement is absurd on its face. You employed that tactic, you own it, Senator.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    If Lee really believes the garbage he spouts, he is delusional. If he does not really believe the garbage he spouts, he is running a con on the people of Utah and the United States. In either event, he is not qualified to be a United States senator. Is it possible to re all or impeach him? That would be the best thing to have happen, for everyone.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 26, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    How would Lee see things if the shoe was on the other foot?

    What if a minority of Senate Democrats decided to take a "principled stand" and filibuster everything related to defense spending? "Let's fund the areas of government we agree on, and we'll continue to block funding for defense appropriations". My sense is Lee, along with just about everyone else, would consider this to be a ridiculous abuse of power, a destabilizing obstruction of governance.

    Most Americans are moderate and pragmatic. They don't really care for ideological ramblings, and they certainly aren't enamored by egomaniacs who demonstrate symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder, what Mike Lee is doing right now.

    In his mind, he can't be wrong, and he'll spin and rationalize his actions to try and convince everyone else that he is indeed the smartest guy in the class.

    Lee will eventually apologize to Utah voters, because though he rode the backs of the tea party to victory, underneath it he's the biggest fan of Mike Lee, and will do what he has to for self-preservation. Will Utah still want a car salesman in 4 years?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 26, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    It turns out that Mike Lee and Ted Cruz were right since Obama himself has delayed his mess! What was it Obama called them for suggesting a delay? "Obstructionists, hostage takers, ransom demanders, terrorists". How does it taste to have to eat your own words Mr. president? What a class act you are, NOT!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 26, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    "What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we never needed that, we never advocated for that."...


    of you never "wanted" that Senator - but you DID do it, and you threaten to do it over and over again if you didn't get your way.

    This spin-doctoring reminds me another shifty politician caught doing something really Really STUPID,
    and that all depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    I wish Mr Lee would read his own words. Talk about wordsmithing.

    “What was wanted, of course, was a repeal of Obamacare, but we realized we weren’t likely to get we resorted to a compromise position..... and defund Obamacare indefinitely. Senate Democrats rejected that,"

    If you realized that "repeal" was not an option, how is "defunding indefinitely" any different?
    Doesn't it have the exact same effect?

    Mr Lees explanation reminds me of a kidnapping/ransom situation.

    "It was never our intention to kill the victim. We just wanted the money" Duh

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Oct. 26, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    Whether you agree with his principles, at least he's sticking to them which is a lot more than can be said about a lot of other politicians.