re:atl134Have you checked out the sugary little promo videos for
Obamacare lately? It shows a couple of young kids sailing through the web app
screens with no problem and then you see the actual premium of $50 a month. That
isn't free but it is close to it. I would say a premium under 50 a month is
pretty much free compared to the $900 a month millions of Americans are being
forced into via the exchanges. Wouldn't you? People - very middle to lower
middle class - are being FORCED off their current insurance and onto Obamacare
and when they finally do get a quote from the state exchange they see the
sticker shock of a premium that has gone up 2-3 times. The Demorcrats current
talking points say that people should be 'grateful' that Obamacare is
moving them off their bad policy and onto a much better policy and of course
much much more expensive too. Problem is people DON'T want all the bells
and whistles - but they have NO CHOICE! People want the LOWER price but that
isn't an option for them...under Obamacare. Whatever happened to liberals
To "marxist" you realize that before the ACA 80% of americans liked
their insurance. That is more than the number of people that liked the
President or Congress. If we can keep the President when he is liked by less
than 80%, then we should have kept the system going that 80% of the people
liked.To "atl134" the idea of never letting a good crisis go
to waste, that was spoken by DEMOCRAT Rahm Emanuel when he was the WH spokesman.
That is what the DEMOCRATS are doing. Remember how urgently we had to pass the
ACA, so urgently that Congress didn't have time to read all of it.Did you see that in Kentucky that insurance rates have INCREASED? For that
average family the cost of insurance has gone up by 122%. Since when is
doubling the cost of something good? See "Health Care Reform Premium Impact
in Kentucky" at Wellpoint
atl134you mean when the MSM says, “the Affordable Car Act, also
known as Obamacare” they are using it derisively? Granted, most of the
people who actually know what’s going use the term derisively, but the
uninformed obamafiles also commonly use the term.You are saying Utah
Girl is lying when she talks about how she and others in her family have lost
their jobs as a result of obamacare?And subsidies aren’t free?
Where do you get THAT idea?
atl134You're right, nobody gets a freebie from Obamacare. In
fact, many if not most will be paying more, in some cases much more for this
mess, and be getting less coverage than thay had before Obamacare. Obama said
so many things to sell it that just are not true. Why should any decent
American respect that or want this program when it was sold to us on lies and
misinformation. It was devised by politicians, not doctors, and will be run by
the faceless buracrats thousands of miles away in Washington D.C. Most of them
sitting at their desks with derby hats on and green apples in their mouths.
I've worked the coveredca website (which is working and does allow you to
do "what-if" stuff) searching for "affordable". I haven't
found it. The working poor would be financially better off if you just left
them alone because of the deductibles and copays -- which they can't afford
anyway. But nooooo -- they gotta pay *something* to the system anyway. Something I am really struggling with: I have insurance that is Obamacare
compliant. It was just confirmed that my family can continue next year -- with a
$40 premium increase and a $20/$40 (generic/patented) Rx copay. The point of
confusion is that "the pool" I'm in is much smaller (thousands)
than the government's pool (millions). Why -O-why is the government option
soooo much more expensive?
President Obama, "Precisely because the product is good, I want the cash
registers to work; I want the checkout lines to be smooth,"And
that sums up how he views the unaffordable health care act, as a way to fill his
(and the democrats) cash registers. It is all about profits. It has NOTHING to
do with affordable health care for people.He probably knew it was so
unready that it would have to be delayed, but he didn't want the
republicans to have any measure of perceived insight, so he shut the government
down and blamed the republicans.Can't get much lower, and still
40% worship him. I can't imagine why.
Atl, do you realize you quoted Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat, when you talk about
never letting a crisis go to waste. Your comment is a classic example of
liberals blaming Republicans even though it's the Libs that said it or
caused the crisis. Classic & laughable.
Now that Obama has "fixed" our healthcare, we REALLY need healthcare
reform even more than we did in 2008.
I don't want the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch, or the Judicial
Branch forced onto the PPACA I want everyone who needs health insurance added to
their healthcare system. 15% of our population added to their system of 3
million plus employees would have been much easier to set up. Their open season
starts November 15 and the electronic sign up system has been tried for years.
A few more servers at OPM instead of an entirely new hardware, software,
peopleware setup would have been much easier than this new bureaucratic
nightmare that Reid, Pelosi, and Obama told Sebelius to set up from a standing
start speaks for itself. Add the thousand of people to OPM which has been
administering a worldwide health care system for years. Wouldn't you trust
a group who has kept the increases below 4% annually over the IRS. The IRS
people use the OPM healthcare system. I don't see anyone at OPM signing to
join the IRSs PPACA system
Re Patriot:"The government will take from the 'haves'
and give to the 'have nots.' Both have lost their freedom.Those
who 'have' lost their freedom to give voluntarily of their own free
will and in the way they desire.Those who 'have not,' lost their
freedom because they did not earn what they received. They got 'something
for nothing,' and they will neither appreciate the gift nor the giver of
the gift."President Howard W. Hunter, "The Law of the Harvest"
First of all, Obama has no authority to delay any law! He had no authority to
alter Obamacare and pass out waivers to his buddies but he did it anyway! With
Obama in the White House, we don't need a congress! Obama has made the
constitutional balance of power null and void. No one elected him to be King or
emperor but he is anyway.
@patriot"As a hard working tax paying American - you didn't
deserve to lose your job and the free loaders who qualify for free health care
don't deserve the hand out at your expense."Seriously, will
you conservatives get your stories straight? It's like half of you lament
the "freebies" and the other half claim the healthcare bill cripples the
poor and middle class with heavy burdens. It can't be both. By
the way, nobody gets a freebie from Obamacare, the subsidies still require some
portion of the premiums to be paid for by even the poor.
The only reason the democrats in power would ever consider delaying the mandate
is if they think it might save their hides during the midterms.Fresh blood
in the water over the ACA is like manna from heaven for the GOP.
@Mayfair "just about go BALLISTIC if I say 'Obamacare'.
"Oh I know you're using it derisively (there's no
reason conservatives would use it if it weren't a negative connotation),
but I know that despite the faults in implementation, the bill itself is good
and am amusedly waiting for the day when everyone likes it too much that
conservatives stop using the term and frankly am only going to use Obamacare
more often myself. For instance, Kentuckians sure like KYnect (their
Obamacare exchange); funny how it's a lot more popular amongst those who
don't like Obama when they don't realize what it is.
Patriot you said it perfectly. Thank you. Simply said we cannot afford the
affordable care act. It is going to ruin this country.
So many republicans stating their disdain for obamacare and how the republicans
were right. If they were right, then why did they not stand with Lee/Cruz? Also,
funny to see marxists comment that the current "capitalist" system does
not work. Since when is corporatism deemed to be capitalism. In other words, it
is not capitalism when the government socializes corporate/union/political
losses and also gives corporations/unions/political allies monopolies. We hardly
live in a capitalist society. Even the heritage foundation realizes the US is
way behind many other countries in economic freedom. Our loss of economic
freedom is a large part of why we are in the mess we are in today. Too much
government taxation, control, corporatism, etc.
re:Utah GirlSo sorry to hear of your job loss and your heart ache
over your current health insurance all caused by Obamacare. Your job loss is
REAL and the economic impact is REAL to your family. Democrats however will just
arrogantly brush you off and tell you that your job loss is just a necessary
bump in the road so that the Obama freeloaders can continue to get more free
stuff. Yes the so-called party of compassion is anything but compassionate when
the rubber meets the road. I'm sure you understand that millions of
Americans are suffering the same sorts of job loss and health insurance pain as
you and are being completely ignored by the Obama lap dog media. As a hard
working tax paying American - you didn't deserve to lose your job and the
free loaders who qualify for free health care don't deserve the hand out at
your expense. Fairness seems to be the Democrat's favorite word yet this
party continues to destroy people's lives using the most unfair tactics
ever hatched up. Welcome to America 2013.
And another thing: I hereby proclaim my refusal to EVER CALL IT hereafter
"The Affordable Care Act".I have been noticing the last few
weeks that those who don't understand any of this--and seemingly support
the President for anything, regardless if it's a good idea or not--just
about go BALLISTIC if I say 'Obamacare'. They are furious and seem to
think I hate Obama and am trying to demonize him and his program if I use that
term even in casual conversation.Has happened so often, I'm
wondering if there's some directive I've missed, that in lieu of
bowing down and worshiping, we must not say the apparently hated word
'Obamacare'.But now after this unprovoked and consistent
rude irrational behavior, there will be no calling it the ACA for me!
Well there's a rational idea, delay it if necessary. Why can't we have
more of that from Republicans? Instead the Republicans want to govern from the
philosophy of never letting a crisis go to waste... and then manufacture a
crisis every few months.
I think most people would agree that health care reform would be good. The
problem comes in trying to do it all at once, with a cumbersome, expensive law
that creates more problems than it solves. I know of several situations where
Obamacare has caused the loss of employment or the loss of benefits directly
related to the increased cost to employers and employees of insurance premiums.
This has happened to my daughter and her husband. I lost a job due to reduction
in force, as my employer could not afford the required insurance. My
husband's job still has benefits, but we don't know how long that will
This is far, far more serious than people realize and is not a laughing matter
at all.If the requirement to purchase medical insurance is delayed,
it will cause enormous stress on the insurance industry. People with chronic
health and pre-existing conditions will continue to enroll right now, but young
and healthy people will blow it off and not enroll, just like they are doing
now. This breaks the key promise that ObamaCare made to the insurance
companies: if you cover older and sicker people at moderate rates, we will force
huge numbers of young and healthy people to enroll so you don't lose
money.I've never seen a more spectacular example of the
government painting itself into a corner. If the mandate is delated, I wonder
whether we'll see insurance companies pulling out of the exchanges because
they will collapse if they remain in them. That's going leave millions of
Americans holding the bag. A stunning failure of government to promote the
general welfare of its citizens.
Do you hear laughter?
WHO NEEDS A MANDATE.......?at 59 years old I have decided to join
the youth movement!I will opt to pay the fine each year until I get
sick and need health care.... and then I will buy healthcare!As soon
as all conservatives follow me...the entire obamacare will implode as we all
know, libs don't pay for anything, so why should we?
Oh, this is too rich.Of course, our leftist friends will find some
way to blame Republicans....
@ patriot--Well said. My thoughts exactly. Amen.
Article: "the failures of the new health care website rollout have the
White House toying with delaying the mandate after all."First
sensible, rational thing we have heard from the White House in a long time.
Toying?Haven't you played enough with the American people
fellas? If it's good enough for me it's good enough for you. Open
wide and take your own dose of what's good Mr. President.
This confirms two things:1- The conservatives and Republicans were
right about Obamacare being messed up and needing a delay of the mandate.2- Harry Reid and Obama shut down the government amidst high drama and
bogus charges against the Republican's numerous funding bills, with the
exclusive goal of keeping that fight in the news to hide the massive trainwreck
(Dem. Senator's description, not mine) of the Obamacare roll out.Repeal Obamacare, and fire every member of Congress who voted for it at any
"Government has not place in business or healthcare...ask any veteran how
they like their healthcare...enough said..." Well not quite. The Vets I
know often gripe about the VA, but they admit it beats what they could have
gotten from the private sector - that is the consensus among the Vets I know.In the meantime, if Obamacare is scuttled, the nightmare that is the
status quo will continue, and the Republicans will do nothing to fix it. I reluctantly accepted Obamacare as an alternative to the current setup.
I called for "medicare for all." The software is in place and the
public could have understood it. It's already set up. But the Republicans
are scared of socialists like me, so that would never be allowed.The
American capitalist system is failing Americans, and it is just a matter of time
before my views become popular. Talk to you then.
So the GOP stated very clearly that Obamacare was not ready and the mandate
should be delayed one year for individuals. Obama said no. Reid wouldn't
even consider it. Both Harry and Barack went so far as to SHUT DOWN the
government rather than consider a delay. Both Reid and Obama stated that there
were just a few minor bumps in the road but Obamacare was ready for prime time
roll out and people would love it. Now here we are a few weeks down the road and
the roll out was a nightmare - as predicted by the GOP - and a delay for the
mandate is now being considered by Barack and Harry. So after all the media spin
about how wrong the GOP was about Obamacare it turns out that the GOP was
actually RIGHT and it was the Democrat's that were completely WRONG. So
will the media now report the truth about Obamacare? Not a chance. We live in a
world now where anything negative against Obama is suppressed by the media which
means we are content to live a lie....a scary place to be in for all of America.
Did you all hear that Amazon just hired a community organizer to come in and
champion their ecommerce platform?2nd in command is a politician
from Kansas and they hired a contractor that built a website for internal
government use since its so similar in scope to what Amazon needs to drive a few
more million dollars through their company.NOT....Government has not place in business or healthcare...ask any veteran how they
like their healthcare...enough said...