White House now toying with mandate delay

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:55 a.m.


    Have you checked out the sugary little promo videos for Obamacare lately? It shows a couple of young kids sailing through the web app screens with no problem and then you see the actual premium of $50 a month. That isn't free but it is close to it. I would say a premium under 50 a month is pretty much free compared to the $900 a month millions of Americans are being forced into via the exchanges. Wouldn't you? People - very middle to lower middle class - are being FORCED off their current insurance and onto Obamacare and when they finally do get a quote from the state exchange they see the sticker shock of a premium that has gone up 2-3 times. The Demorcrats current talking points say that people should be 'grateful' that Obamacare is moving them off their bad policy and onto a much better policy and of course much much more expensive too. Problem is people DON'T want all the bells and whistles - but they have NO CHOICE! People want the LOWER price but that isn't an option for them...under Obamacare. Whatever happened to liberals championing choice???

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    To "marxist" you realize that before the ACA 80% of americans liked their insurance. That is more than the number of people that liked the President or Congress. If we can keep the President when he is liked by less than 80%, then we should have kept the system going that 80% of the people liked.

    To "atl134" the idea of never letting a good crisis go to waste, that was spoken by DEMOCRAT Rahm Emanuel when he was the WH spokesman. That is what the DEMOCRATS are doing. Remember how urgently we had to pass the ACA, so urgently that Congress didn't have time to read all of it.

    Did you see that in Kentucky that insurance rates have INCREASED? For that average family the cost of insurance has gone up by 122%. Since when is doubling the cost of something good? See "Health Care Reform Premium Impact in Kentucky" at Wellpoint

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    you mean when the MSM says, “the Affordable Car Act, also known as Obamacare” they are using it derisively? Granted, most of the people who actually know what’s going use the term derisively, but the uninformed obamafiles also commonly use the term.

    You are saying Utah Girl is lying when she talks about how she and others in her family have lost their jobs as a result of obamacare?

    And subsidies aren’t free? Where do you get THAT idea?

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:55 a.m.


    You're right, nobody gets a freebie from Obamacare. In fact, many if not most will be paying more, in some cases much more for this mess, and be getting less coverage than thay had before Obamacare. Obama said so many things to sell it that just are not true. Why should any decent American respect that or want this program when it was sold to us on lies and misinformation. It was devised by politicians, not doctors, and will be run by the faceless buracrats thousands of miles away in Washington D.C. Most of them sitting at their desks with derby hats on and green apples in their mouths.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    I've worked the coveredca website (which is working and does allow you to do "what-if" stuff) searching for "affordable". I haven't found it. The working poor would be financially better off if you just left them alone because of the deductibles and copays -- which they can't afford anyway. But nooooo -- they gotta pay *something* to the system anyway.

    Something I am really struggling with: I have insurance that is Obamacare compliant. It was just confirmed that my family can continue next year -- with a $40 premium increase and a $20/$40 (generic/patented) Rx copay. The point of confusion is that "the pool" I'm in is much smaller (thousands) than the government's pool (millions). Why -O-why is the government option soooo much more expensive?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    President Obama, "Precisely because the product is good, I want the cash registers to work; I want the checkout lines to be smooth,"

    And that sums up how he views the unaffordable health care act, as a way to fill his (and the democrats) cash registers. It is all about profits. It has NOTHING to do with affordable health care for people.

    He probably knew it was so unready that it would have to be delayed, but he didn't want the republicans to have any measure of perceived insight, so he shut the government down and blamed the republicans.

    Can't get much lower, and still 40% worship him. I can't imagine why.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    Atl, do you realize you quoted Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat, when you talk about never letting a crisis go to waste. Your comment is a classic example of liberals blaming Republicans even though it's the Libs that said it or caused the crisis.

    Classic & laughable.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    Now that Obama has "fixed" our healthcare, we REALLY need healthcare reform even more than we did in 2008.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    I don't want the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch, or the Judicial Branch forced onto the PPACA I want everyone who needs health insurance added to their healthcare system. 15% of our population added to their system of 3 million plus employees would have been much easier to set up. Their open season starts November 15 and the electronic sign up system has been tried for years. A few more servers at OPM instead of an entirely new hardware, software, peopleware setup would have been much easier than this new bureaucratic nightmare that Reid, Pelosi, and Obama told Sebelius to set up from a standing start speaks for itself. Add the thousand of people to OPM which has been administering a worldwide health care system for years. Wouldn't you trust a group who has kept the increases below 4% annually over the IRS. The IRS people use the OPM healthcare system. I don't see anyone at OPM signing to join the IRSs PPACA system

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    Re Patriot:

    "The government will take from the 'haves' and give to the 'have nots.' Both have lost their freedom.
    Those who 'have' lost their freedom to give voluntarily of their own free will and in the way they desire.
    Those who 'have not,' lost their freedom because they did not earn what they received. They got 'something for nothing,' and they will neither appreciate the gift nor the giver of the gift."
    President Howard W. Hunter, "The Law of the Harvest"

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    First of all, Obama has no authority to delay any law! He had no authority to alter Obamacare and pass out waivers to his buddies but he did it anyway! With Obama in the White House, we don't need a congress! Obama has made the constitutional balance of power null and void. No one elected him to be King or emperor but he is anyway.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    "As a hard working tax paying American - you didn't deserve to lose your job and the free loaders who qualify for free health care don't deserve the hand out at your expense."

    Seriously, will you conservatives get your stories straight? It's like half of you lament the "freebies" and the other half claim the healthcare bill cripples the poor and middle class with heavy burdens. It can't be both.

    By the way, nobody gets a freebie from Obamacare, the subsidies still require some portion of the premiums to be paid for by even the poor.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    The only reason the democrats in power would ever consider delaying the mandate is if they think it might save their hides during the midterms.
    Fresh blood in the water over the ACA is like manna from heaven for the GOP.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    "just about go BALLISTIC if I say 'Obamacare'. "

    Oh I know you're using it derisively (there's no reason conservatives would use it if it weren't a negative connotation), but I know that despite the faults in implementation, the bill itself is good and am amusedly waiting for the day when everyone likes it too much that conservatives stop using the term and frankly am only going to use Obamacare more often myself.

    For instance, Kentuckians sure like KYnect (their Obamacare exchange); funny how it's a lot more popular amongst those who don't like Obama when they don't realize what it is.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Patriot you said it perfectly. Thank you. Simply said we cannot afford the affordable care act. It is going to ruin this country.

  • apm22 sparks, NV
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    So many republicans stating their disdain for obamacare and how the republicans were right. If they were right, then why did they not stand with Lee/Cruz? Also, funny to see marxists comment that the current "capitalist" system does not work. Since when is corporatism deemed to be capitalism. In other words, it is not capitalism when the government socializes corporate/union/political losses and also gives corporations/unions/political allies monopolies. We hardly live in a capitalist society. Even the heritage foundation realizes the US is way behind many other countries in economic freedom. Our loss of economic freedom is a large part of why we are in the mess we are in today. Too much government taxation, control, corporatism, etc.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    re:Utah Girl

    So sorry to hear of your job loss and your heart ache over your current health insurance all caused by Obamacare. Your job loss is REAL and the economic impact is REAL to your family. Democrats however will just arrogantly brush you off and tell you that your job loss is just a necessary bump in the road so that the Obama freeloaders can continue to get more free stuff. Yes the so-called party of compassion is anything but compassionate when the rubber meets the road. I'm sure you understand that millions of Americans are suffering the same sorts of job loss and health insurance pain as you and are being completely ignored by the Obama lap dog media. As a hard working tax paying American - you didn't deserve to lose your job and the free loaders who qualify for free health care don't deserve the hand out at your expense. Fairness seems to be the Democrat's favorite word yet this party continues to destroy people's lives using the most unfair tactics ever hatched up. Welcome to America 2013.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    And another thing: I hereby proclaim my refusal to EVER CALL IT hereafter "The Affordable Care Act".

    I have been noticing the last few weeks that those who don't understand any of this--and seemingly support the President for anything, regardless if it's a good idea or not--just about go BALLISTIC if I say 'Obamacare'. They are furious and seem to think I hate Obama and am trying to demonize him and his program if I use that term even in casual conversation.

    Has happened so often, I'm wondering if there's some directive I've missed, that in lieu of bowing down and worshiping, we must not say the apparently hated word 'Obamacare'.

    But now after this unprovoked and consistent rude irrational behavior, there will be no calling it the ACA for me!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    Well there's a rational idea, delay it if necessary. Why can't we have more of that from Republicans? Instead the Republicans want to govern from the philosophy of never letting a crisis go to waste... and then manufacture a crisis every few months.

  • Utah Girl Vernal, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    I think most people would agree that health care reform would be good. The problem comes in trying to do it all at once, with a cumbersome, expensive law that creates more problems than it solves. I know of several situations where Obamacare has caused the loss of employment or the loss of benefits directly related to the increased cost to employers and employees of insurance premiums. This has happened to my daughter and her husband. I lost a job due to reduction in force, as my employer could not afford the required insurance. My husband's job still has benefits, but we don't know how long that will last.

  • Daniel Leifker San Francisco, CA
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    This is far, far more serious than people realize and is not a laughing matter at all.

    If the requirement to purchase medical insurance is delayed, it will cause enormous stress on the insurance industry. People with chronic health and pre-existing conditions will continue to enroll right now, but young and healthy people will blow it off and not enroll, just like they are doing now. This breaks the key promise that ObamaCare made to the insurance companies: if you cover older and sicker people at moderate rates, we will force huge numbers of young and healthy people to enroll so you don't lose money.

    I've never seen a more spectacular example of the government painting itself into a corner. If the mandate is delated, I wonder whether we'll see insurance companies pulling out of the exchanges because they will collapse if they remain in them. That's going leave millions of Americans holding the bag. A stunning failure of government to promote the general welfare of its citizens.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    Do you hear laughter?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 1:07 p.m.


    at 59 years old I have decided to join the youth movement!

    I will opt to pay the fine each year until I get sick and need health care.... and then I will buy healthcare!

    As soon as all conservatives follow me...the entire obamacare will implode as we all know, libs don't pay for anything, so why should we?

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Oh, this is too rich.

    Of course, our leftist friends will find some way to blame Republicans....

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    @ patriot--

    Well said.

    My thoughts exactly.


  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Article: "the failures of the new health care website rollout have the White House toying with delaying the mandate after all."

    First sensible, rational thing we have heard from the White House in a long time.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:30 p.m.


    Haven't you played enough with the American people fellas? If it's good enough for me it's good enough for you. Open wide and take your own dose of what's good Mr. President.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    This confirms two things:

    1- The conservatives and Republicans were right about Obamacare being messed up and needing a delay of the mandate.

    2- Harry Reid and Obama shut down the government amidst high drama and bogus charges against the Republican's numerous funding bills, with the exclusive goal of keeping that fight in the news to hide the massive trainwreck (Dem. Senator's description, not mine) of the Obamacare roll out.

    Repeal Obamacare, and fire every member of Congress who voted for it at any time.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    "Government has not place in business or healthcare...ask any veteran how they like their healthcare...enough said..." Well not quite. The Vets I know often gripe about the VA, but they admit it beats what they could have gotten from the private sector - that is the consensus among the Vets I know.

    In the meantime, if Obamacare is scuttled, the nightmare that is the status quo will continue, and the Republicans will do nothing to fix it.

    I reluctantly accepted Obamacare as an alternative to the current setup. I called for "medicare for all." The software is in place and the public could have understood it. It's already set up. But the Republicans are scared of socialists like me, so that would never be allowed.

    The American capitalist system is failing Americans, and it is just a matter of time before my views become popular. Talk to you then.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    So the GOP stated very clearly that Obamacare was not ready and the mandate should be delayed one year for individuals. Obama said no. Reid wouldn't even consider it. Both Harry and Barack went so far as to SHUT DOWN the government rather than consider a delay. Both Reid and Obama stated that there were just a few minor bumps in the road but Obamacare was ready for prime time roll out and people would love it. Now here we are a few weeks down the road and the roll out was a nightmare - as predicted by the GOP - and a delay for the mandate is now being considered by Barack and Harry. So after all the media spin about how wrong the GOP was about Obamacare it turns out that the GOP was actually RIGHT and it was the Democrat's that were completely WRONG. So will the media now report the truth about Obamacare? Not a chance. We live in a world now where anything negative against Obama is suppressed by the media which means we are content to live a lie....a scary place to be in for all of America.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    Did you all hear that Amazon just hired a community organizer to come in and champion their ecommerce platform?

    2nd in command is a politician from Kansas and they hired a contractor that built a website for internal government use since its so similar in scope to what Amazon needs to drive a few more million dollars through their company.


    Government has not place in business or healthcare...ask any veteran how they like their healthcare...enough said...