Article quote: "Metzger finished his poem by saying that after thinking
about the positive ways his parents had “brainwashed” him, he
responded by telling the classmate that, “You can call it brainwashing if
you want, that’s fine. I call it teaching.”This kid gets
it!Metzger for the score!Signed - A Dad of Four Kids
Every human child comes into this world an atheist. Only through
"brainwashing" and indoctrination does anyone come to believe in an
invisible, omnipotent, omniscient, and questionably benevolent creature called a
"god". But history has shown that belief in such a creature is not
required in order to live a good life and, indeed, it is frequently the case
that belief in such a creature actually distorts morality to such an extent as
to influence individuals and groups to engage in some of the most immoral and
despicable behavior known to the species.
I am so tired of those who have no tolerance for others and yet are the first to
scream intolerance. Our character, behavior and our reputation should be
honorable, honest and clean. If you believe in a purple turtle in the sky to
help you to be good, then so be it, but if you criticize people for being
religious, then you are not focused on the results, just your own selfish need
to be right, even at the expense of being wrong.
@ ThinksithinkYou have a good point. If your comment is sincere about why
our missionaries go door to door and share the gospel, (even to admirable people
like this young man in the video) I would encourage you seek them out. Their
reasons for doing so might surprise you.
He who has been brain washed has a clean mind. Not a bad result.
What you live is what becomes comfortable. You trust your parents, so you
follow their lead.Brainwashing? I think not.But, I
would be that a very large majority of those in church pews belong to the same
church as their parents.How about if we use the term "Strongly
I remember I had an instructor at the University of Utah who was vocally
exasperated by the prevalence of the LDS church in Utah, strangely enough. She
had the audacity to call me, and by extension all LDS, indoctrinated. I had no
retort then, but in retrospect, she was right. I was indoctrinated to beleive a
certain way that has guided my behavior and my choices for the good. This I
would never take back, because the DOCTRINE I learned from my parents through
our faith has had positive results in my life!Indoctrination, though
carrying a negative connotation, is unavoidable. My instructor prided herself on
her ability to think freely and question critically, as if this were in direct
opposition to the way I was brought up. It isn't, yet this is the doctrine
insilled in her by her parents. Either way, whatever doctrine is
instilled in a child, it must ultimately be judged by its fruits, which
hopefully are love, good works, tolerance, service and the like. There.
That's my doctrine.
Example. It is how the Savior taught. You are a good example.
A number of posters support Ethan's parents brainwashing him. But will LDS
missionaries knock on Ethan's door to tell him about the One True Church?
If his brainwashing was good, why not leave him and the others be?
Before he retired I had a reformed Jewish friend at work. He told me of an
Orthodox Jewish friend he has that when he goes to other peoples houses
wouldn't eat off of there plates because perhaps they had contained non
kosher foods. This is really ridiculous such restrictions don't contribute
towards making a better person or a better world. To the extent that religion
teaches a person to be a good person that is good, to the extent that religion
gives silly little rules the person must abide by that's ridiculous.What else besides brainwashing could explain why a person with live this
way? So when the person accused the boy of being brainwashed perhaps he was
right or perhaps he was wrong. One would have to know that boy to know for sure.
My parents taught me to not play in the road or I'd get hurt. I have
taught that same thing to my children. How is that different than teaching a
child to believe in God and to keep His commandments?You can pretend
that God does not exist. You can even believe and profess that God does not
exist, and that there are no laws or commandments of God. But how is your
belief system any different than my own? You are basing your beliefs upon your
own line of reasoning. How does that prove that God does not exist?So given that God does exist, why wouldn't I want to teach this to my
children, along with not playing in the road?
When a child is born, they are much like a blank slate, in that they are only
aware of their on basic needs, like hunger, fear, loneliness, discomfort. As
they grew, and become aware of others around them, they consider what the
Significant Others in their life do, as "normal." This is great if the
Significant Others are practicing Jews, Catholics, Mormons, or other groups that
value positive human traits, but it is also true if the Significant Others are
Criminals, Abusers, chronically on welfare or in any other way dysfunctional.
Approximately 80% of children become a mirror image of their same gender parent.
Way to go Ethan! My parents "brainwashed" me too! Let your light so
How interesting that teaching and instructing your children is now considered
brainwashing. I also find it rather compelling that some one would state
"Religion, which endorses force in this life" as if forced compliance is
peculiar to a religious structure and not part of modern or ancient political
institutions.My point being that the biblical story is a cautionary
tail of a people who had devoted themselves to following God and yet failed
"miserably" resulting in their national destruction and scattering as a
people throughout the world. As a history it's not very flattering,
exposing their national faults. So would the references be for when they got it
right, or when they were getting it wrong.
Hutterite said "Religion, which endorses force in this life and damnation in
the next based on bronze age explanations of humanity and the universe, is not
necessary to lead a decent, moral life. It isn't natural that one would
take on these rituals and beliefs without some sort of coercion, whether it was
deliberate or by association."It is easy to assume religion is
based on coericion, fear and ignorant ideas when you have not been immersed in
the good it offers. I will forever be grateful to my parents who taught me
about the love of God and his desire for us to be happy. I have seen how living
my childhood religion makes my life much happier and full of meaning. Why would
I not want to pass that same gift to my children whom I love deeply?No, you don't need a belief in God to be a moral person, but for me, far
from coercion, it puts my morality in context.
How are to know that Ethan's classmate wasn't the one who was actually
@HutteriteDid you watch the video? Because if you did, you will note
that the Ethan talks about things his parents taught him on top of teaching him
about religion. I didn't see anything in this video in which Ethan claimed
to be better than others solely because he is religious and they are not. I think those who are religious do need to be careful about propping
themselves up above others. At the same time though, castigating those who are
religious is no different. You talk about things that are not
natural, but let me ask you, what is natural? If you have found joy, comfort,
strength and fulfillment in following a specific set of guidelines, is it natual
or unnatural to want to share those guidelines or ideas with others, especially
your children? If your child comes to you and asks questions like,
"Why are we born? Why do we die? Why are some people born with money and
others are not?" What do you consider the "natural" way to respond
to these questions?
God bless the efforts of all parents.
Some of what was commented is true we are all born with the light of Christ
which invites us to do good and we can know with a perfect knowledge that those
good attributes or desires are of God. For Satan persuades no one to do good.
These desires come to all of us. Jew, Gentile, Atheist, etc.
My parents did the same thing to me. Wow, good thing. I enjoyed the video.
While qualities such as integrity, honesty and others are admirable, none are
exclusive to religion. Some are anathema to it. They all are extensions of the
values and beliefs we are innately born with, which can be developed and refined
by such methods as leadership by example. Religion, which endorses force in this
life and damnation in the next based on bronze age explanations of humanity and
the universe, is not necessary to lead a decent, moral life. It isn't
natural that one would take on these rituals and beliefs without some sort of
coercion, whether it was deliberate or by association.