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  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Mark B; where do you get your $100 dollar amount. if you look closely, it says, to the best of my recolection, $100 or X% of your income up to y amount, whichever is greater. sounds scary to me.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    Yeah, you're right one vote. I think that the war would be called an unfunded mandate. And even more so, some genius' decided making huge tax cuts right while racking up that huge debt was a good idea. Hey Republicans, who do you think that was?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    The Trillion dollar Iraq fiasco was unfunded and ran up the debt. Although the contractors made huge profits on the debt passed to the grandchildren.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    ' I am not sure what is meant by "unfunded liabilities" '

    Ronnie, the people that use this term on these threads also don't understand what it means. They just say it because they hear Sean Hannitt say it. And, frankly, he doesn't understand it either.

    Basically it is a nonsense way to try to criticize this president.

    Lets put it like this: If you are planning on buying groceries in the future, and paying your future utility bills, and helping your kids with college in the future, you have an unfunded liability if you dont have all of that money you plan to pay in cash, in savings, already. . Is that going to destroy your household finances? Probably not, if you keep working and pay your bills. Now I understand that comparing a national economy that is integrated into a world economy, with personal finances is way oversimplifying and will never give you a realistic look at the issues.

    But that is what people are saying when they say unfunded liability.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    Can a $100 fee for not signing up for health insurance be awful enough to make someone want to leave the country? If so, I wish them well. Let's hope such "immortal" folks find a country with no taxes at all. And no natural disasters. And no crime.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    @ ECR, Thanks for your comment but as you will remember, Romney said, if elected, he would repeal Obamacare. As it is, if a person living in Massachusetts didn't like the state's healthcare system, they could move to another state. Obamacare is a nationwide trap!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    Ronnie and others have stated well why this letter isn't even close to being truthful. Last point, Bacus did not say Obamacare was a train wreck. He said a couple of years ago that if the planning for implementation wasn't done right the implementation would be a train wreck. Vastly different from the what the letter writer claims.

    Just a point of reference for those paying attention. When you listen to Fox you get lies. When you listen to MSNBC you get liberal analysis and liberal opinions.

  • ronnie sandy, utah
    Oct. 20, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    I am not sure what is meant by "unfunded liabilities". If it is Medicare or Social Security this article is an extreme over exaggeration at best and a lie at worst. The trust funds are viable for some time to come. The changes will come about in due time and are not extreme by any means. You may have a point to some degree if you are talking about VA benefits, military and other government retirement programs. Typically these are funded with the normal appropriations bill that goes through Congress each year.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 20, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    "While the country speedily heads directly for the wall, politicians play around. But they are patting each other on the back and kissing up to each other and applauding each other, and the pundits and the bloggers and TV anchors all sing their praises"

    I am not sure what news sources you use, but I haven't seen any of this. What I have moslty seen is that this was a huge disaster for everyone involved. The US currency as a world standard has never had more challengers because of the brinkmanship of threaten default. We will all be paying higher interest rates for all credit based activities. We will end up having paying 800,000.... to not work for three weeks. We settled nothing, other than tarnishing what positive image our government had. No one trusts it anymore. It is all about personal agendas versus actually getting something done.

    Even Republican leadership spent all morning saying what a bad strategy the Cruz/Lee stunt was. Many things Lee and Cruz want may be correct principles..... but there methods and tactics were immature and disastrous for everyone.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:54 a.m.


    The only error in your summary is that the shutdown cost the US $24 Billion, not $24 Million.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    I'm just not hearing the supposed songs of praise. It' more like a sigh of relief, and a collective asking of questions like 'what do we do now' and 'how can we fix this?'

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    Let's be absolutely clear: Senator Max Baucus did NOT say that Obamacare is a train wreck. He said it might become a train wreck if HHS didn't improve their efforts to provide small business with accurate information about it. Only one of many facts this writer should have checked before writing.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    So let me get this straight.
    You voted for GW Bush -- TWICE.

    Sticking your head in the sand is not reality.

    BTW - Captain Bush gave to order full steam ahead, and hit the ice berg,
    Captain Obama took command after he abandoned ship with the last of the bow about to go under.

    Nice save, is all I can say...

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    The great tragedy of the conservative movement was the election of George W. Bush. President Obama has been spending the last 5 years cutting the Bush/Cheney deficit in half and getting us out of the ill advised wars.

    The current Republican Party has lurched so far to the right that they are delusionally attacking a health care plan divised by the ultra conservative Hertitage Foundation.

    The only hope is for more moderate Republicans, in the mold of Jon Huntsman and Bob Bennett, to gain a foothold in the House.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Mountanman - The conditions Gary enumerated would be in place even if Ronney won the election. And remember, Romney was the original designer of what exists as Obamacare today. Just sayin'.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Gary I agree with you but don't blame me, I voted for Romney.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    Every time a senior spends money on a bag of oranges a farmer, a trucker, a laborer and countless others are fed. What happens every time the government shuts down or Wall St creates another gimmick? Money is taken from the economy and average citizens are not quite able to make it paycheck to paycheck.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 1:39 a.m.

    W. Bush doubled the national debt.

    Reagan tripled the national debt.

    You cannot say either about Obama, into his 2nd term.

    The government shutdown to stop the Affordable care act, which passed the House, and Senate twice. Along with the Supreme court...

    cost $24 million dollars.

    Sorry, if I am against national debt?

    I would vote Democrat.