Utah men behind Goblin Valley video receive death threats from strangers, rebuke from BSA

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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Oct. 22, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    The actions do not show anything about Utah regulations until Utah makes a decision about what they will do. Has no one ever committed vandalism in a national park? Are there no unprosecuted vandals in national parks. The attempts to draw larger stories from these incidents are extreme and uncalled for.

  • Free-to-Think Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:36 p.m.

    I just want to say "Thank you!" to Dave Hall and Glenn Taylor. Although I don't condone the way you acted, I am grateful that you saw the potential for death that the rock posed and did not back away from the feeling that someone should do something before a tragedy happens.

    The immaturity displayed by your video is, in my eyes, mitigated by the real object of your actions - to keep someone from what appeared to be an inevitable tragedy!

    Now I want to say to all those who condemn these men. Yes it is also tragic that a wonder of nature has been destroyed, but you were not there to understand the danger that they could see. It is said: "Don't judge a book by it's cover." I think if you were to look deeper than the antics displayed in the video, you may find men of conscience like unto yourselves.

    Our family has talked of visiting Goblin Valley. Maybe the life of one of mine has been spared. Thanks again for leaving Goblin Valley much safer, and therefore "better" than you found it. Next time I'm sure you will find a better way!

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    JBT at 8:45 am, said--
    "This was not 'just a rock'. It's a formation that took millions of years to create by nature."

    REPLY: I recommend you go back and re-watch the video. The subject boulder absolutely was NOT "a formation that tooks millions of years to create...".

    It was a single, detached, everyday boulder (just a big rock), sitting precariously on a very narrow ridgeline of DIRT. In no way could that lone rock be classified as a goblin rock formation. In reality... it probably WAS part of a hoodoo 10 million years ago, until it came loose from the top of its mother formation, and fell down to its current resting location ON a patch of DIRT.

    But one boulder sitting on some sand is NOT a "priceless rock formation from prehistoric times."

    I'm not trying to minimize the poor judgement of the guys who did this. I hope they get a hefty fine and 200 hours of mandatory Park service. But they are being "crucified" for a "minor offense".

  • stnicoll mesa, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    These scout leaders are great examples--they showed they lived what they taught-the scout oath, the scout law, and the scout motto-Are these just something to recite at courts of honor-or simply to live as an honored man, husband, and father---should we all not be more willing to follow them in our lives--to do our duty to God and this country-to obey the scout law-to be brave-making difficult decisions when others may not-or may ridicule us even having done so-stand for the right-How do you reconciles one's motivations for what and why they did something? Would we all agree with certain decisions you may have made in your life--or is the only reason we have not said something because it had not been published? Therefore is it more about the fact that we heard about it because certainly it wasn't due to it being a secret for where were we before we heard about it offering the same concern for this rock, this park, or this potential safety concern.

  • stnicoll mesa, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    Responsibility is the key-If we see another in danger-do we stand by and say-not my responsibility--not for me to worry about--or do we take obligated steps to help someone in need--If we see a potential danger that could harm some one-do we walk away and hope the next person sees it and does something about it-and for us to pretend we never saw it-so we don't have to feel that we had any responsibility in the cause. we complain about politicians, leaders in our community etc not standing for the right and the citizen in defending theirs--then when someone makes a decision to save others from a possible hazard or even fatality-we complain and criticize that person-because we wouldn't have done that--Yet we have schools who expel students for being on grounds to take a friend home from drinking too much-because why-because it wasn't her responsibility to do what she was taught-No she did the right thing and so did these scout leaders-and the decision far out weighs the consequences that are threatened upon them.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    Individuals filing for Disability are not expected to have the strength to topple rocks.

  • Gram Cracker Price, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    I am embarrassed for them and for their families. They messed up big time. Now what? Move to Russia?

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    The moral to this story is, never post a video on line you would not want the next million people visiting the area to emulate if they can. Your example is much stronger than your motives, especially when your behavior on camera does not match your stated intent.

    Notice in the video that the first movement of the boulder was not tipping, but rotation on the clay pedestal. As the pedestal collapsed it's direction could just as easily have been toward the idiot sitting beneath it and the headline would have been about a crushed leader.

    Remember that there is an elevated expectation of scouts and their leaders, even when they are not proud enough of their affiliation to be in uniform, and the world judges the rest of us by your bad boy behavior.

  • Phred Ogden, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Scout Leaders have two primary responsibilities.

    1. Ensure the safety of the boys and leaders.
    2. By instruction and example, "Instilling values in young people and preparing them to make moral and ethical choices throughout their lifetime is the mission of the Boy Scouts of America."

    These two responsibilities are not necessarily in conflict with each other. A better choice than to kill a bear is to teach the boys how to respond in the event they encounter a bear. That way they become safe around all bears instead of safe only around the one you killed. In this case it is better to teach the boys how to recognize hazardous formations and to give them a wide berth while still marveling at and preserving such a unique geologic feature.

    Respect for the wonders of nature is the fourth item in the training known as Leave No Trace.
    4. Leave What You Find
    Allow others a sense of discovery, and preserve the past. Leave rocks, plants, animals, archaeological artifacts, and other objects as you find them. Examine but do not touch cultural or historical structures and artifacts. It may be illegal to remove artifacts.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    There is no place for death threats. However, Goblin Valley is an amazing place and needs to be protected from this kind of behavior. We have had 3 generations playing hide and seek in this incredible playground. If you let people topple rocks the park will soon be destroyed for future generations.

    Make an example of these fools and give them hefty penalties.

  • stnicoll mesa, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    2nd part-so their laughing in the video was being misinterpreted as pranksters, or those who would destroy property at the cost of others--yet that is not true-they laughed of success to remove this safety issue-would not any of us under similar circumstances--also if that rock was not easily moveable as they claim--then they would not have been able to do se easily-it didn't take him much to move it--yet if a storm a rain a strong gust of wind came through-then it surely would have toppled over--it seems like the outrage is about how they were responding on video to it--and that response was being misinterpreted by others-as we often see those who destroy things in laughing mode-a careless attitude-which is what seemed to have been on this videor

  • stnicoll mesa, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    First of all I support the leaders who did this--and here's why-to sum up and comment on other opinions who may have felt it was not their responsibility--that's just the problem-avoiding responsibility--when is it that we will rise up and take our responsibility--are we all going to be by standers--and just wait for someone else to do it-when we took no thought to do our responsibility-its a state park and it is the citizens responsibility to keep it clean and safe--it is no doubt that rock had been there for some time--why then has not the park management already taken notice of it and done something regarding its safety concerns--they have not--Most of us would not have done what they did--but does that make what they did wrong--or the fact that we would not step up and take hold of an issue that no one else noticed or felt it was their responsibility either--the other reason of support to them is simply that it appears that some took offense at their laughing-and thought they were being malicious in what they did.

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    First their credibility is zero, so it's hard to take their claims of threats seriously, but if they did get death threat that is equally as wrong. Those things aside what they did was stupid, wrong at every level and they should be prosecuted and kicked out of Boy Scouts.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    As a Boy Scout Leader for over 40 years --

    The Boy Scout advocate "No Trail Left Behind".
    "Leave a place BETTER than you found it".

    These leaders should spend time in jail,
    and also pay for the Boys they were leading's therapy to de-program what they witnessed from the example of their Leaders.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    1. Pushing it over was a stupid thing to do. It's not their job to decide what is or isn't dangerous in the park, and had the rock tipped the wrong way, we might be reading headlines of "man killed by giant rock in state park".
    2. Posting the video was an equally stupid thing to do.
    3. It's still just a rock, folks. Nothing worth threatening to kill someone for.

  • md Cache, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    An old war veteran was killed in a parking lot in Seattle by a couple of street thugs a couple months ago. Not many comments were made about that story.

    A rock gets toppled by a couple of guys who made a dumb move and there are death threats? This country certainly has it's priorities out of order.

    Give these guys a break. I am sure they have paid enough already.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    They shouldn't have done it, but the over reaction to it is ridiculous.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:50 a.m.

    I am hesitant to believe that they are receiving a lot of death threats. This is a diversionary tactic to make them the victims in this story. "If enough people feel sorry forry me, they will forget about the stupid thing I did."

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    Death Threats? Over a rock. There ARE thousands of the same thing in Goblin Valley. So, uh, Europeans value rocks more than people and hence the death threats? Anyone making a death threat is a scumbag, enviro terrorist.

  • Cactus Moroni, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    Here's what is troublesome about this:
    1. It shows that Utah is not capable of protecting its natural wonders. It can only be done by the federal government.
    2. It shows that the BSA does not really teach scouts how to be responsible adults. Maybe the BSA should be dissolved if this is what they teach boys.
    3. It shows why the federal government cannot have monuments, such as the WWII Memorial, open to the public during a government shutdown when no security is watching over things.

    These two city-ots (city-idiots) have done great harm to Utah and the BSA.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    Death threats are obviously way out of line, but I'm guessing that very few of the "threats" were serious. Probably more on the order of "I wish that rock had fallen on you instead." Still not appropriate, but not the sort of thing most of us would worry about, except to feel that some angry people are prone to exaggeration.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    I can't believe ANYONE condones what these guys did - especially the posters from out of state.

    Nature isn't Disneyland. You take risks when you partake in nature. If a rock falls on you naturally, I guess it was simply your time to go.

    If you want guaranteed safety, go out and play in your back yard.

  • djk blue springs, MO
    Oct. 19, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    i saw this on the news. these men should be ASHAMED of themselves. acting prideful that they destroyed something. i don't believe it was so loose it was easy to say 'hey it might fall on someone so we decided to work on it'. please please leave national parks ALONE. what next, someone trying to plug up old faithful ?

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Oct. 19, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    Dumb act, but of course the hysterical response has become the bigger story.

  • Way of the Warrior Arlington, WA
    Oct. 19, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    State and national parks are usually established to protect unique lands from people, NOT protect people from the land.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 19, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    So typical. Destroying nature and the DN story gets 48 comments with nearly half defending this criminals. Hey it's a rock, it's nature what's the big deal?

    Same story in the Trib. 922 comments and after a quick perusal not one defender. I'm sure I missed some but the point is made. This is why we all can't talk to one another. We live in different worlds.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    If we are worried about rocks falling over and hurting children. Then maybe what we need to do is not let anyone near the rocks. People can see the rocks from the road, but not be allowed to get close enough to get hurt.
    The children will be protected, and the rock formations will be protected.
    Then we need to close all the campgrounds, to protect children from falling trees, and wild animals.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    Who cares, its a rock.

  • BYR West Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    While he should not receive deaths threats, he deserves every ounce of scorn.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    @Tilka - "the explanations now given are clearly revisionist. The video clearly shows them celebrating the pushing over the rock and laughing about it. If they were documenting their public serving act they would have been narrating it."

    Did you actually watch the video? They also clearly in the video mention feeling like they though they made the park safer. You have to actually watch the entire video, not 10 seconds.

    So no, there is nothing clearly showing they have changed their story.

  • DonP Sainte Genevieve, MO
    Oct. 19, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    A recent rock slide resulted in the death of several hikers who were on an established trail. This may have been in the back of the minds of these men, who however, made themselves look like idiots on camera. I would guess most Scouters are cringing now at their behavior however well intentioned.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    the explanations now given are clearly revisionist. The video clearly shows them celebrating the pushing over the rock and laughing about it. If they were documenting their public serving act they would have been narrating it. It is unfortunate that people choose scout leaders who love to be in the outdoors instead of men who will teach the boys proper citizenship.

    Looking through my adult eyes, I had idiot adult leaders while in scouts. As an adult I've known idiots who brag about doing stuff with their scouts that turns my stomach and often scares me. One I can think of is an idiot who said he shot potatoes out of a potato gun as the boys ran by. He was trying to hit them on the run. If he would have hit one of them in the head there would have been serious damage.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Several people in this forum are of the opinion that this was "just a rock" and therefore of no consequence. I assume they have never been to Goblin Valley.

    Goblin Valley State Park was set designated to protect this very unique cluster of sandstone rocks precisely because of the way they are balanced precariously on a softer layer of stone, making it a place like no other in the world. The creation of these formations took hundreds of thousands of years to create, and the park exits to protect them from destruction by stupid, thoughtless people.

    If each visitor pushed over a rock, these formations would have been destroyed decades ago, and the park would have failed in its mission to protect them. These men need to be punished.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Some of these attitudes here give plenty of evidence why the national parks should not be turned over to Utahans to decide how best to take care of properties... in the national trust. It's just a rock.... or its just a hole in the ground....

    I love playing in the outdoors. I am not one who feels we can't live and play in nature... but some of these examples of what people do when left to their own judgement... it ruins it for all of us....because you know there will be a knee jerk reaction to the stupidity of a few.

    If this dude want to rearrange rocks.... that is what his own private property is for. It wasn't his or their to make that decision about. Thats the problem.... not whether it was a rock or not.... it wasn't their rock is the point..... it was selfish.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    "This was not 'just a rock.'

    From the pictures, it looks like a rock to me.

    "It's a formation that took millions of years to create by nature."

    Most rocks take millions of years to create. So do diamonds and coal which are disturbed and removed with alacrity.

    "One that still had AT LEAST 100 years left before becoming unstable."

    At which point it would likely fall on some kid and kill him/her. Let's hope it's none of your kin. These guys just mighta done you a favor.

    "And such beautiful 'Rock' formations that the state of Utah decided to make a State Park out of the whole area, to help protect these fragile 'rocks' from destruction..."

    The rock was not destroyed. It's still there to see for anyone who wishes.

    These men won't be serving prison or jail time. They'll end up with community service and likely a Class C misdemeanor..."

    Please cite the law/rule/regulation that was broken.

    Somebody made trails to the rock. Shouldn't they be cited for marring the site?

  • brted Atlanta, GA
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    I don't understand the people who think this is okay. Does Utah have a stand your ground law against rocks? If these guys felt threatened by a motionless rock, they should have been able to back away slowly and hopefully leave the park. They definitely need to be prosecuted for vandalism, banned from parks for a while, and banned from the Scouts. Not just for tipping the rock, but for trying to rationalize something that can't be defended. The "death threats" are wrong, but have 0% chance of amounting to anything. If they didn't want to deal with the flack, they shouldn't have put themselves on YouTube doing something like that, and then compound it by agreeing to interviews where they act like they are somehow the victim. Goblin Valley is a place I already knew about and that I'd like to visit, so I don't want rock vigilantes like these messing it up. It's not a crime against a rock, it's a crime against everyone who values the park.

  • Matt9898 Salt lake, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    It's about personal responsibility. Owning up to what they did and accepting the consequences for their vandalism would be at least an effort to show their scouts what it means to have character. Spinning this tale about Saving Lives just shows the kids you should try to worm out of any responsibility for your actions.

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Stupid yes, but felony? I don't think so. and could be a hidden benefit for Utah.

    They now have about 3 million views on YouTube, couple that with the free advertising from the news media this has churned up, and Goblin Valley will be seeing more visitors than ever. I hope they can handle it. Be a great fiscal shot in the arm to places like Green River and Hanksville.
    Because of it's location, I would bet it is probably the least visited of all of our state Parks. Now people around the world know about this State Park and now even know what a Hoo-Doo is.. what they did is also the bootstrap equivalent of several thousands of dollars Utah spends to get people to visit (our) parks.

  • elgreco grand junction, CO
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    With this kind of logic, why not plug up Old Faithful geyser lest someone gets hit with the steam or fill in the Grand Canyon in case some one falls off the edge.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Mugabe of ACWORTH, GA said: "I can't beleive what I am reading. Where do these people come from? Are we really willing to see a couple of men, who have a family to care for, contributions to society go to jail, or at best, destroy their record, over a rock."

    I can't believe it either. It's a sad documentary on what our society has become, that people do stupid things without thinking.

    These men won't be serving prison or jail time. They'll end up with community service and likely a Class C misdemeanor. For every publicized act like this, hundreds go unreported, that harm and destroy natural features each year.

    I first went to Yellowstone in 1987. Amazing, so many natural features. This year, I returned for the first time in many years, and was saddened to see so much man-made damage to the park. Geysers with plugged spouts due to rocks and litter thrown in over the years, formerly clear blue springs turned ashen or brown due to refuse and rocks, and much more.

    These men should be removed from Scouting and assigned to Community service in the outdoors.

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    JBT at 8:45 am, said----
    "This was not 'just a rock'. It's a formation that took millions of years to create by nature."

    REPLY: May I recommend you go back and re-watch the video. The subject boulder absolutely WAS NOT "a formation that tooks millions of years to create...".

    It was a single, detached, everyday common boulder (just a big rock), sitting precariously on a very narrow ridgeline of DIRT. In no way could that rock be classified as a hoodoo or goblin. In reality... it probably WAS part of a hoodoo 10 million years ago, until it came loose from the top of its mother formation, and fell downhill to its current resting location ON a patch of DIRT.

    I'm not trying to minimize the stupidity or immaturity of the dopes who did this. I hope they get a hefty fine and 200 hours of mandatory Park service. But they are being "crucified" for what I consider a "minor offense".

  • Mugabe ACWORTH, GA
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    "The fact that they destroyed is enough." My Lord, what has happened to us? Rocks are destroyed to make stones, build things, rocks are destroyed in search of coal, gold, diamondss, etc, etc.

    I can't beleive what I am reading. Where do these people come from? Are we really willing to see a couple of men, who have a family to care for, contributions to society go to jail, or at best, destroy their record, over a rock.

    Lord, hurry up and come. No joke.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil - so no one is in a position to ensure the safety of others? The humor here is if the story was "mom and toddler squished by boulder" a lot of you would be posting about how disgusting and sick it is that no one took action to secure the safety of a public park. *sigh*

  • jskains Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    @JBT - You can imagine that, but that would be false. The humor is the computer you are using to complain about this rock being pushed did far more environmental damage through the plastics used to create it and the fossil fuels used to power it, than these guys did with the precious rock.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    What does this have to do with a "Utah education?" Are you implying that thoughtless behavior does not exist in other states or is this simple haughtiness?

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    I believe that their intentions were sincere, and yes, after they pushed it over, they had an adrenaline rush. Now what if that had been a cougar, a rattle snake, a bear or any other dangerous wildlife, and for the concern of their young men, they shot it and celebrated after? Would they be considered hero's or villains? How sick a world we have that places value more in a single rock then in the safety of a human being or even their life, since they are getting death threats. As easy as it was to push that rock over, someone could have been hurt by it, would you want your child below it while someone leaned against it to catch their breath? He who is without sin, cast the first stone, or boulder if you will.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    I don'r like the fact these guys did this but it would be great say, if people got worked up about say children living in poverty, being neglected and abused. Let's give these guys a fine and move on and try to solve some real problems...

  • maclouie Falconer, NY
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    It's only a rock. They did the right thing. It was not stupid. If they told the rangers the rangers would not have done anything about it. So let's get real. it was unsafe and may have hurt or killed someone. But we will never know. I guess next time anyone see a dangerous situation they should just ignore it or tell a ranger next time they see one.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Much ado about nothing! Welcome to a world where every action will be magnified unless it is homosexuality, bestiality, theft, illegal immigration, extreme taxation, etc. If there were no video there would be no outrage. String them up 5 years in prison. If they believe in God make it 10. Oh ye hypocrites.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Why am I having trouble believing the story of "death threats?"

    Could it be directly related to why I'm having trouble believing anything else these guys have to say?

  • chilly Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    It's clear from the video that they are having their idea of "fun" by toppling the rock. The most disgusting aspect of this story is the lies about why they knocked it over and their seeking victimhood status by reporting the "death threats". What sort of twisted message are they sending to the Boy Scouts, in their care, by not owing up to this deed?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    Why is it people escalate responses to so many things right to the 'death threat' status these days? Yeah, this was stupid, and illegal, but is it worthy of death threats?

  • JBT Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    I imagine the people that are downplaying what happened do not spend much time away from their computer... This was not "just a rock". It's a formation that took millions of years to create by nature. One that still had AT LEAST 100 years left before becoming unstable.

    And Such beautiful "Rock" formations that the state of Utah decided to make a State Park out of the whole area, to help protect these fragile 'rocks' from destruction, so Millions of visitors from around the world could come see them. In other words, it's completely ridiculous to compare picking up a rock to throw at birds with destroying a Hoodoo Rock formation.
    You would also think as Scout leaders, they would have done some research about the area they were visiting..?? As a parent of scouts, I'd be a little more then angry if the scout leader took my boys to place they know nothing about.. Isn't that the bigger risk?

  • Tywan Arlington, VA
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Doing something like this in the name of safety would be like torching a forest to ensure no bears or cougars are there to ambush your scout troop along the way. This is destruction, plain and simple.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    These rocks have feelings you know.
    I'm calling a rock rights attorney.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Delicate Arch has always seemed dangerous to me. Are you going to knock that down too?

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Jim in SLC is absolutely right. To have all this publicity for irresponsibility is as bad as the initial act. This was not murder. This was not violence against another person. This was certainly not the right thing to do. But death threats and national coverage are ridiculous. They are already paying a hefty price via social media. Let's tone down the media coverage drastically.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    I agree that what the rock-puller guy did was not wise. But, how many of those who are complaining about this have ever texted while driving? I bet at least some of yall have. That could kill someone. The only reason that you didn't kill someone was that you got lucky. If only someone had posted a video of you texting while driving to youtube...

  • crosbrb47 Providence, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    This unconscionable act takes stupidity to a new level. What was wrong with contacting a Park Ranger and let him/her decided what needed to be done to mitigate what "they felt" was a potential danger? Heavy fines and jail time is appropriate but does nothing to replace that which is lost. These “men” deserve whatever comes their way. They should be banned from BSA and never allowed to enter a State or National Park for the rest of their lives.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    Death threats will impact your family. Just think how they will impacted when you go to jail and lose your job. Most jails have education programs, please use them.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:42 a.m.

    How disgraceful. I bet any of the kids there could have told the "adults" that what they are doing was not only incredibly stupid but goes against everything that the scouts teach. They should be ashamed of themselves. The shocking thing is that they were foolish enough to put it on youtube. I'm embarrassed for them.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:36 a.m.

    I disagree with you JImInSLC. It wasn't up to these two to decide how dangerous a rock was that had been there, in that position, for hundred, if not thousands of years. It was not their prerogative, their right, their responsibility. What they have done, for the sake of a few minutes of their "fun", was to alter something forever.

    The boulder might have fallen next week.... next year, or even next century. They were in no position to make that judgement. If safety were the issue, they simply should have stayed away from it rather than starting to play with it. In many places, the tracks man leaves behind, nature shows its resilience and reclaims what man has done in a matter of seasons. Not possible in this case.

    Selfish acts for their own entertainment have changed forever what every one else sees from that day forward. THere is a reason it was a state park, not a play ground. These men need to say in the playground until they grow up.

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    I believe many media outlets are over-hyping this situation. That was NOT a "prehistoric stone formation" (goblin) of incalculable or irreplacable value. It was essentially just a boulder sitting on a sandbar.

    This case is nothing like a case where someone purposefully and maliciously destroys or defaces a natural arch, a balanced-rock, a thousand year old tree, or an ancient Indian cliff-dwelling.

    What they did was wrong, it was illegal, it was tasteless and it was childish. But geez, let's minimize the hysterics here a bit! It's sad to say, but I would dare bet that something similar to this incident happens every few years at a place like Goblin Valley. I'm sure that Park Rangers would admit that crazy, disgusting things like this happen far too often in our parks.

    I hope these guys get fined and have to do a bunch of community service, etc. But talk of prison time and now death threats?? Let us reason together!

  • djc Stansbury Park, Ut
    Oct. 19, 2013 3:12 a.m.

    The rock was dangerous, that's right, it was dangerous.

    That is why they were giggling like little school girls while they destroyed it. The fact that they destroyed it is bad enough. The fact that they are now lying about is so much worse in so many ways. People would probably be able to better to cope with this wanton destruction if it wasn't so quickly followed by lies. I stand with the BSA in condemning this act. I believe the death threats are wrong. Hopefully the courts can take care of this and these gentlemen will pay for their actions.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    Amazing. Most of you could not care less about the rocks, trees, and animals bulldozed off to the side to make way for your home, your favorite mail, or that road your driving down. It's a rock. It got pushed. Big deal. Some people have big rocks moved in front of their house as landscaping. Fracking trashes some awesome mountain terrain, and I don't see any of you running off to demand those folks get jail time. Jail time for pushing a rock. And we wonder why our priorities are so messed up. A rock.....

  • Neanderthal Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    @Mike W:
    "It probably has sat on that 1.5 inch rock for hundreds/thousands of years, and would have for hundreds or thousands more!"

    There are millions of rocks in the park that have been there for eons. So what? It's just a rock. Many rocks in the park get moved. I moved a rock there once that's likely a million years old... I picked it up and threw it at a bird robbing our campsite grub box. Should I be pummeled and punished for that? So, what's the beef?

    "Utah State Parks spokesman Eugene Swalberg said Thursday he found the video disturbing and has asked that possible criminal charges be considered in the case."

    Is there a policy in the park about moving rocks? Was there a sign near the rock that cautioned about touching or moving it? I doubt it. Accordingly, any criminal charges can easily be defeated... and should be.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    Just a few life lessons:
    1) Don't do stupid things.
    2) If you're going to do stupid things, don't record them.
    3) If you're dumb enough to record it, don't put it on the world wide web.

    That said, people who issue death threats should pay a more severe penalty than these guys.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear, does it make a sound? The mistake that these men made was to record their "child protective" actions and post the video on YouTube. The boulder was in a precarious position and likely would have tumbled off its perch sooner or later. They probably should have notified a Park Ranger and let them take care of it. The Ranger would have done just as Glenn did. Actually Glenn is very lucky, that boulder could have just as easily rolled back on him, putting him between a rock and a hard place. These guys certainly know how to make a viral video. Some idiot posted their home address on YouTube, now that should be illegal. Their crime was just to not think through what they were about to do, and possible ramifications. It's time to let this distraction pass, there are much more pressing issues in the world to focus on.

  • Californian#[email protected] San Francisco, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Sorry you're getting death threats.

    You weren't REALLY expecting applause, were you?

    Now you understand that when you choose your actions, you take responsibility for the consequences. This is something that adults understand. Welcome to adulthood.

  • ultragrampa Farmington, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    Wow - overreact much? "...million year old rock formations in a State Park"??? I don't think so. This was sandstone, not granite, and these guys probably just hastened by a few months what nature would have done this winter. This wasn't an arch or monument, it was just a soft sandstone rock that none of you knew anything about before yesterday. There are hundreds of thousands of these "unstable" rocks around the State; some will fall this week, some next, some the next and none of you will be any the wiser. What's the big deal?

  • Twardy Folsom, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    I wish people cared as much about hungry kids dying every single day all over the globe as they do about a rock. Death threats? Really? Pathetic.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    Stupid,sad move, but not worth death threats or such intense hatred.He and his family will pay a price just from the negative publicity alone.Hopefully we wont see any more lack of respect for nature. At the same time the intense hatred and death threats may just be worse than the stupid act itself.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    Were they educated in Utah?

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    They just don't get it. What they did was wrong.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    There is no cure for stupid, but maybe jail would help.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    Let's assume the rock really posed a threat to break away and crush someone, yeah, it's a total lie, but let's just go with that - why didn't they just report it to the park authorities? It's not their job or responsibility to do this. It probably has sat on that 1.5 inch rock for hundreds/thousands of years, and would have for hundreds or thousands more! What's more, the video and their arrogance in the video and interviews that followed show this wasn't for safety as they claim, but a couple dopey, arrogant and selfish men who have no regard for the outdoors (what would they have done in Timpanogos Cave???). They are an embarrassment to Boy Scouts and an embarrassment to their friends and family. Don't want death threats? Here's a thought, don't topple million year old rock formations in a State Park! Not rocket science...