John Florez: Learning good values is a conspiracy

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  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:20 p.m.

    "For many of us, those values are part of our way of life — to care for the poor, care for each other and respect the dignity and worth of every individual."

    Thank you Mr. Florez. I think we can find areas of agreement. I admire the work Catholic Charities does for the poor. On occasion it has been embarrassing to me when my church has "cut-off" aid to one of its own but then is able to get food from a Catholic organization. The Catholic Church seems to recognize that it takes a "village" to help the needy, the disabled and children. Govt. can't do it alone and neither can private charity. I do what I can on a personal level to help others, I contribute money to various charities and I pay my taxes. While some look at the taxes they pay to go to welfare programs with disdain--I choose to look at it differently, such is our agency.

    I can't find anywhere in the scriptures were Jesus talked about taxes being evil. When the ruling class collected taxes where did they go? Probably most went to raise armies and into the ruler's pockets.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    It turns out that my background is not much different from John Florez'. I grew up relatively poor on the Salt Lake westside. I learned patriotism from cub scouts, and the memory of doing the pledge of allegiance remains with me to this day, as does the need to take care of those less fortunate. I got all of this from LDS cub scouts. I think Florez' heart is in the right place, but I think his Republican politics is a confusing issue and makes his presentation less credible. Nevertheless I appreciate what he says here.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Well. No question, values are formed in childhood for better or for worse. It's in adulthood that we have to figure out how to put them into practice and teach them to other youths. Or we have to correct them if we've been misled by our parents, teachers or mentors.

    Does patriotism come from marching to Sousa or pledging allegiance to a flag? Does caring for the poor equate to flooding them with government largess? Mr. Florez will not say but seems to imply as much. Those are values with which I very much disagree.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    John, again, is confusing individual charity with collective government welfare, something that has nothing to do with serving the poor.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Very nice story, but just which department of the government did Mr. Floez's religious leaders work for? Just which part of the Constitution allows any government official to use general revenues for personal welfare? For that matter, when did Christ ever instruct his followers to appeal to the government for anything?

    Each of us has the responsibility to take care of our neighbor, but not one of us has the right to demand that the government force us or our neighbors to be "charitable". "Charity" is between us and the God whom we worship. The government has not been "ordained" to collect "charitable offerings" from the citizens and then to redistribute those "donations" to others.

    Our elected officials had better know the difference between agency and forced charity and they had better not cross that line or they may soon find out just what the Lord meant when he warned us about taking the Lord's name in vain.