@Laurels. Many thanks for your comments. Nice to "visit" with you. I
was not attempting to downgrade the U's nursing school in any way. Merely
to point out that, as you said, a nursing school doesn't have to have a
closely associated medical school on campus to produce superb graduates.A nursing school can have a working relationship with a fine hospital,
i.e. Dixie State's nursing school and Dixie Regional Medical Center, which
provides clinical opportunities and employment opportunities.
@Granny...Thanks for the clarification.But I don't
understand your desire to take a jab at the U. They have an excellent nursing
program, and many hospitals in the state hire their nursing graduates over
students from other colleges/universities because the clinical training provided
through the U's medical system (associated with the medical school) is so
highly regarded. That's why my daughter chose the U over BYU's
nursing program.BYU attracts very good students to their nursing
program, who obviously take their efforts to prepare for the NCLEX very
seriously. That's to be commended. The Y's students obviously took
it more seriously than the U's students as the U's passing rate
dropped from over 96% to 88% for the group that took the updated NCLEX.As you point out, passing the NCLEX has nothing to do with whether or not the
school has a medical school. But having a medical school does add to a
school's ability to provide better clinical training which helps with
student placement after graduation. That's where the advantage of having a
medical school shows up.
Congratulations to ALL students from ALL schools for their hard work and
@Laurels: "Having or not having a medical school is a non-factor for NCLEX
passage rates. SUU had a 100% pass rate in 2012 (42 students), and Roseman
University also had a 100% pass rate in 2012 (17 students). Westminster's
pass rate exceeded BYU's in both 2012 and 2011."Exactly.
That is what I was saying. My comment was an indirect jab at the U of U because
their supporters are most often claiming superiority because they have a medical
school.I don't know if it's still true, but for the FIRST
3-4 years (or maybe longer) of Dixie State's dental hygiene program, I
think they had the highest pass rates in the nation on the DH exam. What you need are dedicated students and a great faculty. Exactly...no
medical school needed.Sorry for the confusion.
@carmanI'm curious to know what the "apparent" factual
errors of this article are.
Before they pat themselves on the back too hard, BYU grads need to realize that
they do not, in fact, have the highest NCLEX pass rate in the State.
Mountainland Applied Technology College, in Lehi, has been graduating 24 LPN
students per semester for years now, and with the exception of 2009, when one
student had to take the test a second time to pass, has maintained a 100% pass
rate on the NCLEX.
@carman...BYU does pull good students, but do you have documentation
to support your claim that Utah's best students GENERALLY choose BYU over
other state schools? For instance, all four of my children were
accepted to BYU, offered scholarships, and chose other in-state schools. Two
chose the UofU because they majored in electrical and chemical engineering and
deemed the U's programs better than BYU's. Another child chose the
U's Nursing school because the management of the hospital she worked at as
a CNA believes the U is superior in its clinical training and hires students
from the U before other universities because of that. Another child was
accepted to both Utah and BYU's law schools and chose the U because its
intellectual property program and overall ranking is better than BYU's.Per BYU's website, 1/3 of their students are from Utah5,526
freshmen in 2012 making approximately 1,842 of those students from UtahPer
USOE 2012 Utah school enrollment was about 600,000. #Seniors =
(600,000/13) K-12 = about 46,000Graduation rate 79.4% = 36,500 graduating
seniorsTop 10% students in Utah = 3,650The numbers don't
support your claim.
This article apparently has a number of factual errors in it.The
fact remains, however, that the best students in the state generally choose BYU
over the other schools. Not a dig at Utah or Utah St., but BYU is drawing the
better students today. Just a fact.
BYU's pass rate on the updated NCLEX in 2013 was excellent. They did a
great job encouraging their students to prepare for the updated exam. However, according to DOPL's website, BYU DID NOT have the highest NCLEX
pass rate on the new updated exam (tests taken after April 1). That honor
belongs to the Western Governors University & Roseman University who both
had a 100% pass rate. Of course, each of those schools only had 1 test taker,
but Utah Valley University had a 97.2% pass rate with 36 students taking the
exam, while BYU's pass rate was 95.6%. Also, DOPL's
website lists the National pass rate on the updated NCLEX is 83%. The article
reported this number as 89%. I think the individual writing the
article used some bad information.@Granny...Having or not
having a medical school is a non-factor for NCLEX passage rates. SUU had a 100%
pass rate in 2012 (42 students), and Roseman University also had a 100% pass
rate in 2012 (17 students). Westminster's pass rate exceeded BYU's in
both 2012 and 2011.Passing the NCLEX is based on the students'
personal preparation, not on the existence of a medical school.
Perhaps some fact checking is in order. For the 2nd quarter, 2013 (which is the
quarter that reflects the new, more difficult exam), UVU nursing students
actually had the highest pass rate in the state, at 97.2. vs BYU's 95.6.
Certainly BYU's scores have been more consistent, over the years, but the
highest pass rate for the new NCLEX belongs to UVU right now.
Wow. Go BYU!!! And they did this WITHOUT a medical school on campus. Who would
have thought ;)