"If the choice is between Socialism and tyranny or anarchy, anarchy is much
preferable. I can survive in anarchy; not so with socialism and tyranny".
Really? I don't think you know much about history. Anarchist societies
have destroyed themselves fairly quickly, while even Communism, an extreme
alteration of socialism lived for decades. Obviously your
characterization of the current administration as a socialist tyranny is not
just fanciful. and hyperbolic, but dead wrong. Keep it up though. It's
not just amusing to see how far your dislike will take you, but it's quite
effective in isolating you and the others like you from the real world of
"Right now, tea party extremism contaminates the whole Republican brand.It's worth repeating over and over again. Add Todd Akin in Missouri
and Richard Mourdock in Indiana, Sharron Angle in Nevada and Ken Buck in
Colorado, Christine O'Donnell in Delaware and Joe Miller in Alaska -- and
you have half a dozen Senate races lost to the GOP by extremist nominations.Maybe the right answer to the threat, "Shut down the government or we
quit" is: "So sad you feel that way. Don't let the door hit you on
the way out."(David Frum CNN)
Even though President Obama has swindled more liberty from citizens than any
president in history, I'm quite pleased that the wrench thrown in
government by anyone, including Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, is proving to be a menace
to the tyranny the Democrats and the Republicans want to impose. If the choice
is between Socialism and tyranny or anarchy, anarchy is much preferable. I can
survive in anarchy; not so with socialism and tyranny! However, perhaps there
are those who would join me in promoting liberty, God-given rights, and
Constitutionally limited government to make government a servant rather than a
master. I haven't seen many yet that want that, but perhaps there are a
@BrentBotSalt Lake City, UTThe major reason the House had no
governing majority is because wishy washy Republicans have been co-opted by the
progressives,========= After watching what just
happened, guys like you still seriously believe that needing to me even
MORE extreme is some how going to work?Just like the Do-Do bird, THAT is why the Tea-Party will become completely extinct by the next
election.Like the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
-- Suicide by denialism and extremism.
The major reason the House had no governing majority is because wishy washy
Republicans have been co-opted by the progressives, and the center-of-the road
Democrats only enact President Obama's agenda. There is not a majority
left that vote the way their Constitution-loving constituents want them to.
Principles = I want it my way, and only my way, otherwise no one can have
anything.At least that is what it sounds like coming from the tea
partiers. Their way is the only "principled" way. Anyone who
disagrees is a RINO - and they use that term as if it meant something.If we truly are heading to a three party system with the Tea Party
representing the far right, the real republicans represented by fiscal
conservatism but still doing what is right for the country, and the democrats on
the more progressive side. Purging Tea Partiers into their own party would be
the best thing for all groups.Then the tea party types can have all
the party purity test they want.
SC, the point ECR made is an excellent one from a couple of perspectives. The
first is modern America has always had a debt and managed to not just survive
but grow. The debt has ballooned generally in response to extraordinary
circumstances. This is what happened in '09.""Obama added about 7 trillion to that. No way to justify that kind of
spending". Actually there is not just a way but a very wise way. A
crushing demand driven recession requires government spending to fill the demand
void. Last point is the slow economy is not a result of the deficit
or debt but rather more accurately the cause. It's more complicated than
that but to cite the deficit as a reason why you can't spend in times of
low demand is exactly backwards. "
It's called -- Divide and conquer (derived from the Latin saying Divide et
impera) It works in the Military, It works in Business, It works in Politics.United we Stand, Dived we fall.etc., etc.,
etc.,BTW - The Good Book says it best: No man can serve 2
Masters.Republicans and Tea-Partiers should read more from the Good
Book.But go ahead, knock yourselves out.
"Obama doesn't care as he is a foreigner anyway."Well,
then surely you would not Ted Cruz as president.
wrz,Please. Obama is not a foreigner.He was born on US
soil to a foreign father and a US mother.Ted Cruz on the other hand
was born on foreign soil to a foreign father and a US mother. But most agree
that he still qualifies as a "natural born citizen".Too bad
. . .
But the tea party is a dysfunctional minority bent on throwing tantrums that
increase in intensity when they fail using attempted unfair means.
@SCfan:"The damage that could come if this way of funding government
with deficit borrowing and spending is not changed, could be worse than anything
we faced with this 16 day shutdown."China is rubbing their
collective hands with glee. They can clearly see that the US will need to
continue to borrow from them ad infinitum resulting in eventual default. At
which time China will take ownership of much of America. Obama doesn't
care as he is a foreigner anyway. What's puzzling is why Harry Reid and
his Democrat friends don't care.
Sometimes we just have to put principle above politics - even if it means we
don't have a "functional majority".
Joe Blow is dead on. I witness this daily here in Utah.Might I add that
they treat Fox and the Radio like a religion, not to be questioned and all
others are simply wrong, no facts needed as faith has replaced logic, there is
only one true news source.Changing the rules on who could bring a
vote, was underhanded and I'm sure will disappear before the Dems can use
this tactic. Boener took control then did nothing about it.
SCfan - You know there's more than one way to skin a cat. Let's talk
about trends.When Ronald Reagan took office his first deficit was
$209 billion (all numbers are adjusted for inflation) and the deficit was $306
billion when he left office for an increase of 46%When George H. W.
Bush took office his first deficit was $287 billion and the deficit was $484
billion when he left office for an increase of 68%When Bill Clinton
took office his first deficit was $412 billion and the deficit was actually a
surplus of $320 billion when he took office for a 77% reductionWhen
George W. Bush took office his first deficit was also a $168 billion surplus but
the deficit when he left office was $498 for a total increase of 396%.When President Obama took office he inherited the worst economic downturn
since the great depression and his first deficit was a whopping $1,539 billion
and this year the deficit will be $759 billion for a reduction of 49%.Isn't that a good trend? Almost as good as the golden Clinton years?
Shouldn't we continue in that direction?
SCfan,There is no doubt that we have a debt problem or that we need
to solve it. But there is also no doubt that the Tea Party (as recently
evidenced) is poorly suited to the task.Solving problems in our
Constitutional Republic requires broad coalitions (it was the Founder’s
intent). That means you need solid majorities in both houses and the president
to go along with you OR you need supermajorities in both houses.The
Tea Party’s “my way or the highway” attitude has shown itself
to be politically poisonous. They seem incapable of forming firm alliances even
within their own party and they have become radioactive for the Democrats whom
they demonize daily.So, the Tea Party may recognize the problem and
publish that fact loud and long. But they will be incapable of solving the
problem as long as they turn against anyone who does not agree with them
100%.The way forward will likely involve both cuts (which they will
applaud) but also revenues/taxes (which they will hate). But no compromise will
mean no solution.Reagan built a big tent. That is still the way
Kent C. De ForrestBusiness as usual, as I guess you didn't get,
is the continued borrowing and spending and never paying it off, and continuing
to add more and more to the debt. That is business as usual in Washington D.C.
And as I said when responding to ECR, if this were a Republican in office, you
guys would be sounding like us. Or you should be, as no sane person can think
that continued spending with no payback will work forever. Even Obama said as
much accusing Bush of being un-patriotic with the debt he ran up. And Obama was
ECRI guess it is time to remind you and others of the facts. Fact: Debt, not deficit, was about 10 trillion dollars when Obama
became President.Fact: Debt, not deficit, is not about 17 trillion
dollars in 5 years of Obama being President. Cutting the yearly
deficit, even in half is doing nothing to account for that 17 trillion dollars
debt, as it is still growing, even if it is at slower rate. This is
like a family spending a million dollars on a house, then cutting $500 dollars
from the entertainment budget per year to try to pay for the mortgage. Our
annual budget has become small potatos compared to the total deficit we have run
up. And Obama added about 7 trillion to that. No way to justify that kind of
spending. Especially with a slow dismal economy and growth rate these last 5
years. And unemployment is still very high . You know that if this were McCain
and or Romney, you guys would be howling at the irresponsiblity. Well I howl at
both sides. Because both deserve it.
the t-party... "...believes in making preposterous demands and
blaming their Republican colleagues when these demands aren't fulfilled.
Tea-party ideology involves questioning the character of Republican leaders
— presenting them as cowards, or co-opted by the establishment, or
deceptive about their actual views...".Please proceed...t-party.
It's time to call the way it is: We have three political parties.Coalitions will emerge between Democrats and Republicans, or between
Republicans and Tea Partiers, but there is no functional majority in the House.
Nobody knows this better than John Boehner.The tea partiers have
been telling us this for quite some time, actually. "Democrats and
Republicans are all the same". (And if you look at our planet from outer
space, there are no political distinctions, there are no "nations" on
Planet Earth.)Let the Tea Partiers have honesty & integrity, and
distinguish themselves by creating a formal, separate, political party.
"The people who are living in a dream world are the ones who think we can go
on doing business as usual."Let's see, based on this
criterion, Obamacare is definitely not business as usual. Those who want
business as usual want Obamacare repealed so that we can go back to our old
system, which was so superior to anything in the world that other countries are
falling all over themselves trying to copy it. Seeking immigration
reform is definitely not business as usual. But look who's blocking it.
Hmm.Seeking some reasonable controls on gun sales is not business as
usual, but look who's trying to keep things the same.Want more
examples? All you have to do is look at who is obstructing what in Washington.
The "business as usual" crowd is all huddled on the right.
SCfan - Since 2009 the federal budget has been cut in half. This despite the
obstructionists on the right who have even gone so far as to vote against
legislation they have previously supported for the simple reason of denying the
president a victory. Certainly the current deficit spending is not sustainable
and we should be doing all we can do to erase the deficit - even if it means
some tax increases. But the hypocrisy of those who caused the shutdown is
glaring when you consider the shutdown cost this nation $24 billion. The was
caused by those who claim to be interested in lowering government spending.
There is a proper way to to change laws and appropriations you disagree with, a
way that has been used throughout the history of the nation. It is the
legislative way established in the Constitution. Silly side shows, like the one
we've witnessed over the past three weeks, do nothing to bring people
together and solve the nation's problems. The reduction in the deficit
cited above means something positive is at work. Why should we stop it now and
replace it with the anarchy displayed by the Tea Party?
Mr. Gerson,Your analysis here (and in other pieces I have read) is
both insightful and blunt. You will be making no friends on the Tea Party side.
But your prescriptions for the Republican Party are dead on. Thank you.
The people who are living in a dream world are the ones who think we can go on
doing business as usual. This first salvo from the few Republicans may look bad
now, but can you imagine the "I told you so" on the horizon? And I know
they who did this don't want to be given that opportunity to say "I
told you so." The damage that could come if this way of funding government
with deficit borrowing and spending is not changed, could be worse than anything
we faced with this 16 day shutdown. Everyone has now got to be looking at the
forest and not the trees. The big picture needs to be dealt with, not just
short term, short sighted, quick fixes. Or pretty soon there will not be a
"can" to kick down the road.
It reminds me of the last presidential election when so many were so convinced
and were so wrong. How does one become so tone deaf?I sincerely
think it is Fox News and talk radio.I will give Fox credit. Those on
the right are convinced that - If its not Fox, its liberal and that Fox is fair
and balanced.(for those who want to blast me for that statement -
List the news sources that you believe are fair)Then you have talk
radio who are hard right.If those are your only sources, you would
have to hate Democrats and Obama.And have a very skewed view of