I think Utah has the potential to finish higher. They'll be finish about
the middle of the PAC.@Truth Machine/DuckyAccording to
ESPN:NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORYUtahFinal Fours 4Tournament Record 35-30Championship Seasons 1944Tournament
Appearances 27BYUFinal Fours 0Tournament Record 15-30Championship Seasons NoneTournament Appearances 27The 1944
team won as many games in the tournament as BYU's highest finish ever in
their entire HISTORY (Elite 16 win - 3 games).Please enlighten us
all on why losing, 15-30, is more impressive?
I'm sorry that I didn't finish my post."Bottom
1/4...seems right. Bottom 1/3...seems too high."Thanks for
alerting me.Go Loveridge!
I think the Utes are well underrated.Do Kentucky's NCAA
championships from the 40's and 50's mean any less than theirs of 98?
I don't think so. It's always amusing conversation though. Go Utes!
I would not put too much stock in the poll either. 12th seems more likely.
@TomAfter the Utes display in the Pac-12 tourney. I think they can compete
with top teams in the conference( now win the conference I doubt).I would
give the Utes more credit than that.
I apologize Utes by 5. You are rights I thought is was the 70s when that
changed.I personally think Utah can claim 2 national basketball titles.
The votes indicate it is pretty much a three way tie with utah, OSU, and SC for
second to last in the conference. Looks about right.
@BeSmart:"Anyone who is familiar with College Basketball History
the NIT was the more prestigious title until the 70's Kudos to the utes for
winning the NCAA and the NIT."The NCAA began requiring the
conference champions from the top 10 conferences in the country to play in the
NCAA tournament in the early 1950s. Johnny Wooden's run at UCLA of nine
national championships in 10 years began in the 60s. The only other team to win
during that incredible run was Texas Western (UTEP) in 1966. The movie Glory
Road does a good job representing that incredible championship featuring Don
Haskins' all black starting five vs. Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky
starting five. The final four that year was: Texas Western, Kentucky, Utah and
Duke. Utah won the WAC that year while a strong BYU team took 2nd and won the
NIT championship. Men's college basketball national champion for 1965-66
was Texas Western, the NCAA National Champion.
@ U 90.....however in 1950 corruption within the NIT (game fixing,
bribery) was exposed and from that point on the NCAA was recognized as the true
national championship tournament. So Utah did indeed win a NC in basketball, it
was the 1947 NIT. --So are you saying that the 1947 game was
"fixed" for Utah to win it and they found out about it 3 years later?
@ U90My information has 6 Elite eights am I missing a couple. The last one
I have is 1998?
Y Fans,Originally the NIT was recognized as having the stronger
field of teams, however in 1950 corruption within the NIT (game fixing, bribery)
was exposed and from that point on the NCAA was recognized as the true national
championship tournament. So Utah did indeed win a NC in basketball, it was the
1947 NIT. ALL Time11 Sweet Sixteens8 Elite Eights2 final Fours2 NCAA Championship games1 NC (NIT)
"the game wasn't even a real game."....in a sold out Madison Square
pebblesThe NIT champ versus NCAA champ was nothing more than an
"exhibition" fund raiser - the game wasn't even a real game.The Utes finished 6-1 in 1943-44.The only neutral national
organization of the day in the business of selecting national champions (the
Helms Athletic Foundation), recognized Army(15-0) as the 1944 National Champion.
Let's hope the Utes can do better than bottom third, but here's to
Another thing I just learned. I guess some recognize the 1947 NIT title as a
national title.I say if it is a recognized title the Utes have a
legitimate claim to two basketball titles.Congrats to the Utes.
I apologize my memory failed.In 1944 the arkansas razorbacks car broke
down. Two of their star players were hit trying to fix it. Utah (which received
no invite and lost their opening round NIT game) was then invited into the
tournament to replace the Arkansas team.Sorry I should have reinformed
myself before commenting.
Utah has a traditionally good program and will again soon.A few facts BYU
and Utah are equal at 27 Tournament appearences. Utah 6 elite 8s. To Byus 3Conference titles 29 for BYU 36 for Utah (20 before 1960s but dominated the
Rock of the Marne1944 Utah won the National Championship (Utah competed in
the NIT and NCAA Chamionship)Utah was given a second chance in the
tournament because a car accident injured their best player.Anyone who is
familiar with College Basketball History the NIT was the more prestigious title
until the 70's Kudos to the utes for winning the NCAA and the NIT.I
am happy Utah won the title, but I would not bash BYU for not beating a ranked
team that year (beat #3 Pitt didn't finish ranked) when Utah's
National Title was won on a second chance.In that time period the NIT is a
more impressive feat.Go Utah Schools
National Champion it was, the jealous trolling of Y fan does not change it.
They won the NCAA Tourney and then went to New York City and beat the NIT
Champion. Sports Illistrated did a story on it. Then 3 years later, the Utes
won the NIT. Plus NCAA runner up in 98, and overall an NCAA tourney record that
puts BYU's to shame. Your favorite sports network has it listed as a NC as
well. Too funny that that Y fan brings up the competition when their
vaunted, by them, 84 team didn't beat single top 20 team, played a weak WAC
schedule (hence the Bo Diddly Tech comments) and struggled mightly in a third
tier bowl game against a barely bowl eligible, didn't really care to be
there, Michigan team. For all Y fan chest beating about the greatness of their
roundball program, the fact remains that BYU only has been to the Elite Eight
once and never even sniffed a Final Four.
Duckhunter"you say "no other team in the state can claim, or
will EVER claim", you are describing utah,"True.Losing in the opening round of the premier tournament of the day, and then
winning the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history doesn't even come
close to meriting a national championship, especially when you only played two
college teams during your entire regular season.
@romeisn'tburning"a NATION CHAMPIONSHIP"False. Just saying it over and over and over and over and over again does not
make it true. You say "no other team in the state can claim, or
will EVER claim", you are describing utah, They never have won a national
championship in basketball and they never will. Such delusion is rampant amongst
It's a step in the right direction. I actually expect this years team to be
about the same if not a touch lower than last years; losing Washburn is a huge
loss for this team.Next year, however, we get Chapman and Kuzma
while only losing Lenz to graduation so I'm expecting big things from them
then. It's fun to watch the rebuilding that Coach K is doing up on the
hill, pretty similar to what the Jazz are going through now.
JayDee, I wasn't a math major, but 9th out of 12 isn't bottom 1/4.
while Utah is no juggernaut, I wasn't all that impressed with Washington,
ASU and Colorado last year who are all picked ahead of Utah in 2013-14. No
reason why the Utes can't be legit contenders for the #6 spot.
3 spots up from where they placed us last year, so that's an improvement.
Krystkowiak continues to succeed in recruiting, and if last years
conference tourney results are any indication of how this years team will play
we should finish in the top half of the conference. At least we
have had numerous final 4 appearances, title game appearances, and a NATION
CHAMPIONSHIP. Something no other team in the state can claim, or will EVER
@RockarollaI agree I think 9th is about right for the preseason poll. I
know Chris B can be annoying (I think it is his goal) but nothing he said
isn't true. Don't know how it will effect this year but time will
tell I suppose. Excited for basketball to get started and to see the Runnin
Utes on the floor.Go Utes!!!
Bottom 1/4...seems rightGo Loveridge!
In looking at all the teams rosters with returning starters and new comers I
think 9th is just about right for the Utes. RPI ratings aren't so helpful
when it comes right down to it. As usual Chris B. looks through the world with
crimson collored glasses...and as usual he is always wrong. His comments are
the kiss of death for the Utes!!!
Keep up the good work Coach K, aka Barney Fife!This season is going
to be fun!!Go Utes!!
This team ended on a tear, and had the most top 100 RPI wins of any team in the
state.If you look at how the team did the second half, which is more
indicative of future play than the first half, I think this team can be very
good.Both Brekkot Chapman and Loveridge were wanted to tons of big
time schools. These guys will lead this program to greatness in their remaining
years.Great job coach KGo Utes!Onward and Upward
I think the Utes will finish higher than this, but it is just a thought.Good luck. Utah is much improved.
the Runnin' Utes will continue to improve and surprise as this season goes
along. I guarantee they finish the season higher than 9th place barring a
serious injury to a key player.They will not be the top team in the
pac12 this year, but they will do better than most expect.