Utah basketball: Runnin' Utes picked to finish 9th in Pac-12

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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:51 p.m.

    I think Utah has the potential to finish higher. They'll be finish about the middle of the PAC.

    @Truth Machine/Ducky

    According to ESPN:


    Final Fours 4
    Tournament Record 35-30
    Championship Seasons 1944
    Tournament Appearances 27

    Final Fours 0
    Tournament Record 15-30
    Championship Seasons None
    Tournament Appearances 27

    The 1944 team won as many games in the tournament as BYU's highest finish ever in their entire HISTORY (Elite 16 win - 3 games).

    Please enlighten us all on why losing, 15-30, is more impressive?

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    I'm sorry that I didn't finish my post.

    "Bottom 1/4...seems right. Bottom 1/3...seems too high."

    Thanks for alerting me.

    Go Loveridge!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    I think the Utes are well underrated.

    Do Kentucky's NCAA championships from the 40's and 50's mean any less than theirs of 98? I don't think so. It's always amusing conversation though.

    Go Utes!

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 18, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    I would not put too much stock in the poll either. 12th seems more likely.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    After the Utes display in the Pac-12 tourney. I think they can compete with top teams in the conference( now win the conference I doubt).
    I would give the Utes more credit than that.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    I apologize Utes by 5.
    You are rights I thought is was the 70s when that changed.
    I personally think Utah can claim 2 national basketball titles.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    The votes indicate it is pretty much a three way tie with utah, OSU, and SC for second to last in the conference. Looks about right.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:42 p.m.


    "Anyone who is familiar with College Basketball History the NIT was the more prestigious title until the 70's Kudos to the utes for winning the NCAA and the NIT."

    The NCAA began requiring the conference champions from the top 10 conferences in the country to play in the NCAA tournament in the early 1950s. Johnny Wooden's run at UCLA of nine national championships in 10 years began in the 60s. The only other team to win during that incredible run was Texas Western (UTEP) in 1966. The movie Glory Road does a good job representing that incredible championship featuring Don Haskins' all black starting five vs. Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky starting five. The final four that year was: Texas Western, Kentucky, Utah and Duke. Utah won the WAC that year while a strong BYU team took 2nd and won the NIT championship. Men's college basketball national champion for 1965-66 was Texas Western, the NCAA National Champion.

  • papi_chulo Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    @ U 90

    .....however in 1950 corruption within the NIT (game fixing, bribery) was exposed and from that point on the NCAA was recognized as the true national championship tournament. So Utah did indeed win a NC in basketball, it was the 1947 NIT.

    --So are you saying that the 1947 game was "fixed" for Utah to win it and they found out about it 3 years later?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    @ U90
    My information has 6 Elite eights am I missing a couple. The last one I have is 1998?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Y Fans,

    Originally the NIT was recognized as having the stronger field of teams, however in 1950 corruption within the NIT (game fixing, bribery) was exposed and from that point on the NCAA was recognized as the true national championship tournament. So Utah did indeed win a NC in basketball, it was the 1947 NIT.

    ALL Time
    11 Sweet Sixteens
    8 Elite Eights
    2 final Fours
    2 NCAA Championship games
    1 NC (NIT)

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    "the game wasn't even a real game."....in a sold out Madison Square Garden.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:46 a.m.


    The NIT champ versus NCAA champ was nothing more than an "exhibition" fund raiser - the game wasn't even a real game.

    The Utes finished 6-1 in 1943-44.

    The only neutral national organization of the day in the business of selecting national champions (the Helms Athletic Foundation), recognized Army(15-0) as the 1944 National Champion.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Let's hope the Utes can do better than bottom third, but here's to hoping.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Another thing I just learned. I guess some recognize the 1947 NIT title as a national title.
    I say if it is a recognized title the Utes have a legitimate claim to two basketball titles.
    Congrats to the Utes.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    I apologize my memory failed.
    In 1944 the arkansas razorbacks car broke down. Two of their star players were hit trying to fix it. Utah (which received no invite and lost their opening round NIT game) was then invited into the tournament to replace the Arkansas team.
    Sorry I should have reinformed myself before commenting.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Utah has a traditionally good program and will again soon.
    A few facts BYU and Utah are equal at 27 Tournament appearences. Utah 6 elite 8s. To Byus 3
    Conference titles 29 for BYU 36 for Utah (20 before 1960s but dominated the 90s)

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Rock of the Marne
    1944 Utah won the National Championship (Utah competed in the NIT and NCAA Chamionship)
    Utah was given a second chance in the tournament because a car accident injured their best player.
    Anyone who is familiar with College Basketball History the NIT was the more prestigious title until the 70's Kudos to the utes for winning the NCAA and the NIT.
    I am happy Utah won the title, but I would not bash BYU for not beating a ranked team that year (beat #3 Pitt didn't finish ranked) when Utah's National Title was won on a second chance.
    In that time period the NIT is a more impressive feat.
    Go Utah Schools

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    National Champion it was, the jealous trolling of Y fan does not change it. They won the NCAA Tourney and then went to New York City and beat the NIT Champion. Sports Illistrated did a story on it. Then 3 years later, the Utes won the NIT. Plus NCAA runner up in 98, and overall an NCAA tourney record that puts BYU's to shame. Your favorite sports network has it listed as a NC as well. Too funny that that Y fan brings up the competition when their vaunted, by them, 84 team didn't beat single top 20 team, played a weak WAC schedule (hence the Bo Diddly Tech comments) and struggled mightly in a third tier bowl game against a barely bowl eligible, didn't really care to be there, Michigan team. For all Y fan chest beating about the greatness of their roundball program, the fact remains that BYU only has been to the Elite Eight once and never even sniffed a Final Four.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:04 p.m.


    "you say "no other team in the state can claim, or will EVER claim", you are describing utah,"


    Losing in the opening round of the premier tournament of the day, and then winning the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history doesn't even come close to meriting a national championship, especially when you only played two college teams during your entire regular season.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:59 p.m.



    False. Just saying it over and over and over and over and over again does not make it true.

    You say "no other team in the state can claim, or will EVER claim", you are describing utah, They never have won a national championship in basketball and they never will. Such delusion is rampant amongst utah "fans".


  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    It's a step in the right direction. I actually expect this years team to be about the same if not a touch lower than last years; losing Washburn is a huge loss for this team.

    Next year, however, we get Chapman and Kuzma while only losing Lenz to graduation so I'm expecting big things from them then. It's fun to watch the rebuilding that Coach K is doing up on the hill, pretty similar to what the Jazz are going through now.

    Oct. 17, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    JayDee, I wasn't a math major, but 9th out of 12 isn't bottom 1/4.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 17, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    while Utah is no juggernaut, I wasn't all that impressed with Washington, ASU and Colorado last year who are all picked ahead of Utah in 2013-14. No reason why the Utes can't be legit contenders for the #6 spot.

  • romeisn'tburning layton, ut
    Oct. 17, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    3 spots up from where they placed us last year, so that's an improvement.

    Krystkowiak continues to succeed in recruiting, and if last years conference tourney results are any indication of how this years team will play we should finish in the top half of the conference.

    At least we have had numerous final 4 appearances, title game appearances, and a NATION CHAMPIONSHIP. Something no other team in the state can claim, or will EVER claim.

    Oct. 17, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    I agree I think 9th is about right for the preseason poll. I know Chris B can be annoying (I think it is his goal) but nothing he said isn't true. Don't know how it will effect this year but time will tell I suppose. Excited for basketball to get started and to see the Runnin Utes on the floor.
    Go Utes!!!

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Bottom 1/4...seems right

    Go Loveridge!

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    In looking at all the teams rosters with returning starters and new comers I think 9th is just about right for the Utes. RPI ratings aren't so helpful when it comes right down to it. As usual Chris B. looks through the world with crimson collored glasses...and as usual he is always wrong. His comments are the kiss of death for the Utes!!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Keep up the good work Coach K, aka Barney Fife!

    This season is going to be fun!!

    Go Utes!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    This team ended on a tear, and had the most top 100 RPI wins of any team in the state.

    If you look at how the team did the second half, which is more indicative of future play than the first half, I think this team can be very good.

    Both Brekkot Chapman and Loveridge were wanted to tons of big time schools. These guys will lead this program to greatness in their remaining years.

    Great job coach K

    Go Utes!
    Onward and Upward

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    I think the Utes will finish higher than this, but it is just a thought.
    Good luck. Utah is much improved.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    the Runnin' Utes will continue to improve and surprise as this season goes along. I guarantee they finish the season higher than 9th place barring a serious injury to a key player.

    They will not be the top team in the pac12 this year, but they will do better than most expect.