High school football: Judge stuffs Manti in late nonregion bout

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  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    The inherent advantage that private schools have is that they can attract athletes from anywhere in the valley and perhaps over the county lines in some cases. But Delta or Manti is pretty much drawing athletes from Delta and Manti. Private schools can openly recruit whether it be for football or any other program. Many states do one of two things. 1. They count private school enrollment at 1.5 so for example if a private school had 1000 students it would be counted as 1,500 students. Other states make private schools compete against other private schools only. That wouldn't exactly be practical in Utah due to the low number of private schools but I think option one would make the most sense.

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    whine whine whine, this is usually saved for Juan Diego, now these posters are whining about Judge?? really...

    in my opinion the 3A 3AA was a bad plan, there were a handful of 3A teams that should have been dropped to 2A... but heck schools like Carbon, Ben Lomond, and a few others couldn't win unless they were playing in 1A..and I am talking 2 or 3 wins

  • sinkme Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    In all honesty I can't say whether they agreed to play in the smaller 3A or they were forced to play in it based on enrollment. I am just as lost as anyone why this big move was made by the UHSAA. It seems to me all it did was water down the classifications. 3A has 12 teams in it. I am not sure what that accomplishes. The public was told it was more of a safety for the players issue. If that's the case, then base it on prior two years participation numbers instead of total enrollment. Poor Carbon High had 28 kids dressed for their Varsity game a couple weeks ago. Base it on that every two years and they would be a 1A school. Back to my original point though, Judge limped into the playoffs last year with a barely .500 record and no one said a word. Some years they have talent and other years they don't.

  • JM Fan Murray, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Judge should be playing in 3AA. Classifications are enrollment based - I believe. Judge does not typically carry the size or numbers to compete in 4A. Judge played two 4A schools this year - and lost.

    The idea that a private school that costs $10,000 a year has inherent advantages is silly. Many of kids matriculate from 4-5 Catholic Elementary schools. One does not go to Judge if they are seeking a D1 Football Scholarship.

    Logistically Judge would prefer 4A. Save money. Less travel. Which is why they made the move and are a fit for non-football sports.

    Hopefully Judge is moved to 3AA or UHSAA goes back to just 3A - as the split 3A is a poorly conceived decision.

  • sherlock holmes Eastern, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Dear sinkme

    What do you think about Judge playing the rural schools? I'm not complaining. It's a fact. Judge warms up with preseason games against 4a schools - wins many of those games. THen plays the small guys during the regular season. Really small guys this year.

    Why did Judge even agree to do the small 3a league? Went 4a with everything else, which WAS the right thing to do.

    Our school has been playing Judge for years. We figured out that Judge has inherent advantages against smaller schools AND the larger public schools. They win regularly no matter who they play. SO why should they play the small schools that have no surrounding communities/metropolitan area to draw from? Help me understand this.

  • sinkme Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    I've been waiting for the complaining to begin. Of course no one was saying a word during the past two years when Grantsville, Stansbury, Morgan and other "rural" schools were handily beating them. Now that they have some talent, it's suddenly not fair. Wouldn't just be that like every other school, some years you have talent and other years you don't issue. Hurricane for instance was on or close to the top for years. This year, they're having a down year for them. Same goes for Judge and every other school in the state. For the record, Judge actually requested to play in 4A (up two classifications) for every sport except football. I am sure however, if they do walk through the playoffs this year, something will change. I'd imagine Judge would be the first to ask for that change.

  • JDigger24 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    Wondering if the same could be said about Juan Diego

  • sherlock holmes Eastern, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Surely some in the high school football world are shaking their heads in wonder that Judge is allowed to compete in the small 3a division.

    Our high school recently played them. They have several 200+ lb players, and fast athletes in the speed positions. We are having a decent year, but got trounced by them. Same as Manti.

    Judge should be playing the other high schools in the SLC area. It is a travesty to have them playing in the rural school league.

  • sinkme Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:14 p.m.

    Great game boys! Put a full four quarters together, you're unstoppable!