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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    To "Grover" according to the Daily Mail and Daily Caller out of England, the 51,000 comes from sources within the HHS administration.

  • Miss Piggie Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:14 a.m.

    "Will everyone please stop calling it government-run health care... The ACA is run through PRIVATE insurance companies."

    Yes, the government does not own Obamacare... That wouldn't be too smart. Instead, under Obamacare the government will control it all.

    @Anti Bush-Obama:
    "When this is a wreck the liberals better show some guts and own up to it."

    They will not only not own up to it... they will find a way to blame someone else... such as Bush.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    "The will of the majority of Americans was expressed in the last election."

    I think you're right... the people elected mostly Republicans in the House whose job is to decide funding levels of the federal government.

    @The Real Maverick"
    "Shutting down the government and wrecking our economy isn't an option. Sorry."

    Tell that to Obama. He's the guy who shut the government down. He's the head of the government. He coulda accepted the House's full funding (except Obamacare) and kept the government running. But no... he had to shut 'er down.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    Shirt: Interesting that you have the knowledge that 50,000 signed up the first week when no figures are being published until the end of the first month of enrollment. Also the venom at the government workers who screwed things up is misplaced. The entire rollout was subbed out to the private sector including the computer work and the call in centers. Look at it this way: there are lots of new jobs being created and that many less people on unemployment and/or food stamps. I know that will make you feel much better.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    To "Bebyebe" I am not a government employee.

    Do you think that the government makes efficient use of all of your tax dollars, and never wastes money?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    The ACA can work. It's not the single payer system we need, but it can work.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Oct. 16, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    Quote;"How many excuses will Obama's "community organizers" give us for his failures? 59% of the people told Obama to NOT sign ObamaCare"

    You have few twisted polls where what a few thousand people commented?

    51% of the NATION voted for Obama TWICE. Say 150 million people.

    And you ignore all the other polls of how many people want healthcare for everyone.

    In an extensive ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    Redshirt, why, if you think the government wastes too much money, do you sit at a government desk during work and waste time with comments to the paper?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Keep up the rating until another hysterical tantrum.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    How many excuses will Obama's "community organizers" give us for his failures? 59% of the people told Obama to NOT sign ObamaCare. He signed it anyway. No Republican voted for ObamaCare, He signed it anyway. Rules were changed, bribes were given and we're supposed to think that ObamaCare is in our "best interests"?

    ObamaCare is in Obama's best interest. He get's more than 18% of all the income in America to divy up among his supporters. We get nothing. We can plainly see that if Obama or Reid or any other politician wants, they will shut down the government and stomp all over us.

    What did Obama and Reid do to the Women, Infants and Children who depended on government aid during THEIR shutdown? The told those Women, Infants and Children to "take a hike". They were nothing but fodder for Obama and Reid's cannons. They were thrown under the bus. Is anyone so stupid to think that Obama, Reid or whoever is in power will not throw them and their "healthcare" under the bus when those unscrupulous politicians will not negotiate?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 2:19 p.m.


    Re: "Will everyone please stop calling it government-run health care"...

    We know it's not single-payer government healthcare. But we also know (and you can ask any of the liberal posters who keep posting that their only wish is that it WERE a Single-payer government administrated system)... that this is just the first step, and even Obama admits that the End-Game is... the single payer government administrated healthcare.

    Ask ANY of them!

    So we're looking down the road a little bit. What's wrong with that? You should try it. It helps avoid train wrecks like this IF you can look a little ahead and see where things are most likely going.

    When people are not happy with this... politicians will be completely convinced that the ONLY option is single-payer government provided healthcare (because anything else will be painted as "taking people's healthcare away")... and the fear of that will insure enough votes to insure they get what they really wanted in the end... Government Healthcare like the Socialist countries they look up to so much.

    Do you really not see that coming?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    If any private insurance company ran their website or their business the way the government runs theirs... they would be out of business in 2 weeks.

    If any private insurance company treated it's customers the way the government treats people (like they are sub-human things being tolerated by the government DMV workers)... they would be out of business in 2 months.

    I know there are terrible stories about how private insurers never pay claims, just kick you out if you get sick, etc... but I've had private insurance for 50 years and NEVER experienced any of that. If I did... I would drop them and take my business and my premiums to another private company that wanted my business bad enough to do better. What options do we have when there's just ONE source for our healthcare??

    And what motivation do they do to give me good service... when they are my ONLY option?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Ok liberals, if the ACA is so great and isn't going to collapse and take the US economy with it, explain the following:

    Why did only 51,000 sign up for Obamacare in the first week?

    If the ACA was supposed to lower insurance costs, why have insurance prices gone up and covered items gone down?

    How does increasing taxes on medical device companies make their products cheaper for those that need them?

    Why is it that 10% of employers are considering dropping health insurance plans because of the ACA?

    If the ACA is supposed to reduce the deficit or be neutral, why is it that as of April 2012 the CBO estimated it will add $340 billion to the debt?

    If it is so great, why does it only cover 15 million of the 45 million uninsured?

    If it is so great, why do the unions now oppose it, along with big businesses and branches of the Federal Government?

    With all of the problems it has shown before full implementation, why do you liberals declare it a great success?

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Oct. 16, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    BTW, the private company that won the award is French Canadian and specializes in single payer programs. As a Canadian, I wonder why we had to outsource this debacle and who will be held responsible for the wreck it is?

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Oct. 16, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Please tell me all you posters who support 0care - have you signed up? I would like to hear some stories that are positive about the cost, the time it took, and what your deductible will be. So please enlighten us!

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @Anti Bush-Obama;

    Goodbye, don't let the Rio hit you on the way out.

    I'm wondering who the good doctor thinks it was wrote the software thats having so much trouble from high traffic. It was a "private corporation" that won the bid to develop it. So there goes your "better by private industry" mantra out the window.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    @Anti Bush-Obama

    Be careful in Mexico. They have universal healthcare there.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    When this is a wreck the liberals better show some guts and own up to it. This 100% their responsibility. But I'm leaving the country. I would rather live in Mexico now anyway.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    To lost in D.C.: By universally popular I meant that the people that get it tend to like it. Any politician attempting to repeal it now would have to deal with mobs of angry senior citizens.

    Yes, I'm still upset that it was unfunded, and continues to be unfunded. I don't know how anyone that considers himself to be a conservative can go along with an entitlement program that has no funding source. Say what you want about the ACA, at least it's funded.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    Will everyone please stop calling it government-run health care. The mandate was a conservative idea from the Heritage Foundation to avoid Canadian-style "socialized medicine." Republicans originally embraced this "compromise." It is why Romney adopted it for Massachusetts. The ACA is run through PRIVATE insurance companies. The government does not administer or operate hospitals, clinics, medical supply companies and pharmaceutical companies. Government regulations are directed to insurance companies, such as not denying coverage due to preexisting conditions, dropping coverage because of expensive claims and children staying on their parent's health plan up to age 26. The ACA is not even national health insurance. It is requiring everyone outside of Medicare and Medicaid to have private health insurance.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:15 a.m.


    Then I assume it is there to "only" take care of the currently uninsured? If so why are many having premiums rise, due to Obamacare? And why is insuring the uninsured so expensive? To the tune of trillions if we add it all up in the coming years. And why did Obamacare take a huge chunk of money out of Medicare to fund the system in the first place? And if you lose you job, there is a program where you can keep your health insurance by paying for it yourself. Too expensive you say. Brings me back to why are some people now being forced into Obamacare because they can't afford the plan they had. I actually think Obama wants that to happen so we all will end up on a single payer government run system. That, I believe, is the real end game for Obamacare.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Part D is universally popular?

    You mean all the liberals who scream about how it was not paid for LOVE it? Ah, the inconsistency and double standard of the left. Something we have come to expect.

    Deciding who gets treatment and when is efficient? Yeah, I guess if people die or have their treatable conditions become terminal while waiting is efficient, you could say that.

    the will of the people in 2010 said NO!!!!!! to obamacare and the GOP maintaining the house in 2012 reaffirmed that. get over it. If it’s such a wonderful law, why is BO deferring (without authority) the employer mandate?

    cannot defend obamacare, so you attack the good doctor and the people who oppose it. Typical.

    The GOP voted to defund obamacare; BO and the dems decided it was more important than ALL the rest of the government and voted to shut the government down and scare the markets with talk of default.

    No dem house members representing areas where the F35s are to made voted against them, either.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    It worked for us. What else can I say?

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    To Dr David R. Boettger,I am no great fan of the ACA but if you think the previous system was good for the country then you are stuck in your corporate side not medical side. The former system flaws are well documented but just so you know where I'm coming from it lacked one other perk. It lacked a provision to provide a CPA to audit your bills for overcharges and an attorney to advocate for the paid for benefits. The real solution is developing a single payer system like the real world does. Then you could practice medicine rather than be a corporation. You could eliminate some of the office staff which out numbers providers on the average of 2-1. There is plenty of great examples how that could work and you wouldn't even have to move to regular home. I support HB676 which would save us 400 billion just in administration. Before you scream, Americans are paying enough today in taxes, copays, deductibles etc to pay for a single payer system. Until then, since it's the law of the land then let's fix the flaws instead of harping on how we are going to sabotage.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    "That some people actually think the government can run the health care system is frankly disturbing." All those poor disturbed Europeans.

    But it's really only the Republicans who think government is running health care. And they are mistaken. I'm surprised that a medical doctor would be so clueless about the ACA. I still have my insurance through my employer. No government involvement. I still go to the same family doctor, the same dentist, the same specialists, the same hospitals, all of which are privately owned practices or facilities.

    The government involvement here is to enforce a few rules to prevent the abuses our health-care system was so adept at (like dropping sick people from insurance rolls) and to offer options for coverage, but even these are not sponsored by government. They are offered by private insurers who are taking advantage of a suddenly expanded market.

    So what on earth is this letter writer ranting about? Has he been listening to Rush and Glen too much?

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Oct. 16, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    It should be noted that the American Medical Association (AMA) endorses ObamaCare. Most physicians recognize that ObamaCare extends medical insurance to people who were previously denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions, and they see that as a very good thing.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 16, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Calling Obamacare a "glitch" is like calling Mt. Everest a hill.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    To SC Fan: I get my insurance through my employer, so most of Obamacare doesn't apply to me. Same with the majority of other Americans who are insured through their employers. It also doesn't apply to anyone on Medicare. That's a big majority of the country right there.

    Even though it doesn't apply to me right now, I will be glad it's there in case I ever lose my job.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    That's why he's not my doctor.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 16, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    "It's $634 million. That's the current price tag for Healthcare.gov, the official website for Obamacare, "

    National Review:
    "Um, no. If you follow the link above to the “U.S. government records,” you’ll see that the exact figure for CGI, Inc. is $634,320,919 and over 114 transactions dating back to 2008.

    Keep in mind Obamacare was signed into law in 2010.

    The company originally won the contract back in 2011."

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    So many of you cite the current law as if it is now etched in stone like the Ten Commandments. Well, in our system, it isn't. Laws, even Constitutional ammendments, can be changed. And as a favor, will one of you Obamacare supporters please tell me why this system HAS to apply to all Americans? Why not leave alone the best parts of our current health care system? Obama himself said at the time that if you liked your plan or doctor you could keep it. Is that reality? Apparantly not. Why did he have to lie to get his plan passed? And as an American why should I support a lying President? The way this plan was origionally sold was to help insure the 30 to 40 million uninsured people in the country, not revamp the whole system. Again, what a lying President and bunch of Democrats.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    So it costs about the same amount as on of those new F35 jets that don't work. You know, the ones repubs love so much they bought 2,500 of them. And they don't work.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 6:34 a.m.

    If Obamacare is really as bad as the repubs (and letter writers like these) make it out to be, then it will sink by its own merits. Let Obamacare sink or swim on its own.

    Shutting down the government and wrecking our economy isn't an option. Sorry.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 5:46 a.m.

    Imagine the possibilities if instead of monkeywrenching and foot-stomping, the Republicans would have listened to the will of the American People AND the Supreme Court of these United States? Imagine!

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 5:41 a.m.

    The will of the majority of Americans was expressed in the last election. Get over it.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 1:23 a.m.

    "That some people actually think the government can run the health care system is frankly disturbing. It cannot. It will never work, and it would bankrupt the economy while jeopardizing people's health with incompetency and rationing." The good doctor hyperventilates. Medicare is efficient, and the health systems of western Europe are efficient and the Canadian system is efficient. I guess he wants people to be denied care because of preexisting conditions and dropped from care when their cases are too lengthy and complex. Non-covered people in their thousands have had to go to tent clinics to beg for care - does the doctor find that beautiful? THAT is the reality of the private health insurance jungle.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    Actually the glitches occurring during the rollout of the ACA are quite similar to the glitches that occurred during the rollout of Bush's Medicare part D program. Those glitches were all worked out and now the program is almost universally popular. At the time, however, more people disapproved of the program than approved. Sound familiar?

    The biggest problem being encountered by Obamacare is actually the sheer volume of people trying to log on and apply, which has overwhelmed the computer system. That should be seen as a sign of success. The insurance doesn't even go into effect until Jan. 1st and people have until next April to sign up. No one should panic at this point there is still plenty of time to sign up.