Utah's takeover of national parks is good government solution

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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    Our Governor including our last one has been respectful to president Obama, so when Utah needed this from him, he didn't hesitate to respond positively.

  • stuff Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil - Jefferson isn't much of an example of a supporter of the Constitution. As I understand, some of his ideas were not included in the Constitution and he did a few things in his presidency that were contrary to Constitutional law.

    Now, as for the idea that each generation makes their own law, that is partially correct. George Washington, who was a great supporter of the Constitution, said, "The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole PEOPLE, is sacredly obligatory upon all."

    So, yes, the Constitution and subordinate laws can be changed but only by the formal processes put in place by the Constitution.

    The liberal-thinking slant you gave it based on unaccepted ideas isn't quite correct.

    And, using the idea that laws can change, I'd propose that the federal gov't should no longer be in control of land within a state boundary. The fed should lease land from the state. That's a good policy for this generation!!!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 12, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    @Stuff.... you lack of understanding of the intent of the founders is part of the problem. For example, Jefferson argued against one generation creating laws that effect future generations, that each generation should set rules for themselves. He proposed that each law should have an expiration and would have to be explicitly re-approved to be remain effect.

    They never wanted to shackle future generations with 250 year old law - because they were smart enough to understand that the issues they faced in the late 1700s were not the same as those faced in the 1500s. This idea of a canonized set of laws was the antitheses of what they believed.

    I wish this generation only understood that dynamic as well as the founding fathers did.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    "...press the state’s congressional delegation to seek reimbursement from the federal government for those costs;"

    If Utah took on the expense WITHOUT asking for a reimbursement, that would be good government. As much as Utah's representatives decry big government, they are addicted to the money it provides the state.

  • stuff Provo, UT
    Oct. 12, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    @10CC and others: Your lack of understanding of the original Constitution and Mike Lee's attempts to maintain it are not a reflection on Mike Lee.

    @atl134 - the administration most definitely chose to close things. Obama himself even said he was making it painful on the people so they would essentially revolt against congress. He said so himself.

    The $1.67 million sounds like more than a good enough settlement to revert the National Parks to State land. Let's take it all back.

    How a government that is supposed to be 'for the people' can keep the people of public land is beyond reason. Nothing more than a tyrannical imposition. Sounds like Obummer thinks its the King's Forest rather than the people's park.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    Obama didn't choose to close the parks. Congress did by not passing funding for them.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 12, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    "Good government" would have prevented this in the first place.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 12, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    I'm glad the parks are open and the effects of shutting them will begin to be mitigated.

    Utahns need to retrace how this avoidable situation occurred. No, the lesson is not that Utah should receive all federal lands free of charge from the rest of America. If you adhere to this short-sighted belief, I invite you to extend this line of reasoning, and consider that maybe these lands should be given to 5 specific groups of people: The Utes, Shoshone, Gosutes, Paiutes and Navajo.

    No, let's retrace exactly how these parks got closed. It's pretty simple, and it involves a starring role from an elected official from right here in Utah: Senator Mike Lee, enthusiastically elected by many of the same people adversely affected by the park closures.

    So, it's very good that the parks are re-opened, but it was all quite avoidable, and Utahns need to look inward for why Governor Herbert had to innovate a solution involving our precious tax dollars.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Oct. 12, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Sure, a shutdown without anything shut down.

    Further proof that the national t for taliban christian party of america does not have a firm grasp on reality.

    If YOU refuse to fund the government, stop lying that it's someone else's fault the government isn't funded. Just own it.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 12, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    I know we are in the age of hyperbole - but " press the federal government to let Utah run the national parks within its borders;".... what Utah is doing is not "running" the parks. Utah is funding day to day operations... not running the parks. The funds Utah is transferring - with the full expectation of being reimbursed - is paying the daily operating expenses. It does not include any of the capital upkeep, road maintenance, trail improvement, habitat restoration.... the list goes on and on. If funds basic operations for 10 days - that is it.

    Don't get me wrong - I think what the governor did was a fantastic way to keep things functioning under very dysfunctional conditions. He needs to be applauded for doing the right thing while the rest of government is out making political statements. But this does not cover the cost of running or owning the parks.

    Does it set a precedent for future operating models. I think it surely does. But lets not get carried away with things yet. It was a great idea... and I applaud him for his innovation. Now lets get back to work....

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 12, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    Many on the right have been touting smaller government for years.

    Rick Perry ran on a platform of closing down the FDA the EPA, and probably the Dept of Education.
    We need to get Government out of our lives is the mantra.

    But, when we DO shut down some government services, people scream loudly, including those on the right.

    Generally, people think government is too big, but seem to want all the services it provides.
    Or rather, they want smaller government in areas that do not benefit them.

    Its the "Keep your government hands off my medicare" mentality.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Oct. 12, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    The authors should demonstrate a comprehension of the Anti-Deficiency Act and the 5 categories of excepted government employees/services in the event of a lapse in appropriated funds before writing this. Like most so-called "pundits" commenting on the effects of the shutdown, they don't understand even the basic legal requirements for what can or cannot operate, rendering the majority of this op-ed piece completely inaccurate.

  • bamball Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 12, 2013 1:55 a.m.

    Is it even possible to have a more one-sided opinion piece? Sounds like In Our Opinion did their research by listening and watching very select media sources. And, come to think of it, those National Parks--what color is the map in the locale of those five national parks--red or blue? So, what exactly is the Governor's motives? Could it have something to do with an event in 2016?