@Irony Guy:"Dems spend it on education and science and protecting the
environment and lifting people out of poverty..."Yeah, things
like food stamps for beach bums, disabled payments to people with hang nails,
and cash for unwed moms to encourage more of the same."... this
is called investment."Not It's a complete waste of
taxpayer money."Republicans spend it on wars: this is called
psychosis."Not. It's called fighting world terrorism and
helping bring freedom to enslaved millions.@atl134:"Polls
show overwhelming public support for ending this shutdown."A
shutdown caused by the Democrat intransigence."That's why
the Republican party has a 29% approval rating in Gallup...The 29%
is the work of the liberal media trying their best to push the Democrat cause.
@The Real Maverick:"Stuff like... Obama won't
compromise..."Please list what Obama has compromised or that
he's willing to put on the negotiating table. We're waiting..."Or that it's Obama's shutdown..."Obama
runs the Executive Branch of government. It's organizations under him
that's shutting down... Parks, war memorials, NIH, etc. John Boehner, head
of the House or Representatives, didn't give the order to shut down. He
couldn't. He's in the Legislative Branch.
"The government is shut down."So, let's see who
actually shut down the government...The Republican House first voted
to fully fund all of the government except Obamacare. Obama refused to even
negotiate and the Senate Democrats refused to consider it. Then the
Republican House voted to fully fund the government, but merely delay Obamacare
for one year. Obama refused to even negotiate and the Senate Democrats refused
to even consider it.Finally, the Republican House voted to fully
fund the government but added a requirement that everyone live under Obamacare,
including Obama and all of Congress. No more special waivers for the Congress
and staffs. Obama refused to even negotiate and the Senate Democrats refused to
even consider it.So, I ask you, who's intransigent? Who's
refusing to fund the government? Who's shutting down the government?
Answer: Obama, Harry Reid and all the Democrats in the House and Senate.
I agree.Most of the stuff we hear about this shutdown is wrong.Stuff like... Obama won't compromise... Or that it's
Obama's shutdown... Or that shutting down the government isn't really
that bad...If only we would tune out fair and balanced media and AM
"In the '80s and '90s there was the ability for both sides, no
matter how difficult the issue, to come together and arrive at compromise and
solve problems," Chuck Konigsberg, assistant director of the OMB during the
1995 shutdown, said in an interview with CNN. "Now, there is such an
ideological bent to many of these issues, that it is difficult to overcome the
gridlock."Konigsberg said today's Republican members,
"instead of focusing on the general election where people tend to tack to
the political center, are more worried about primary challenges from the far
right."And according to a 2013 study from Duke University and the
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, the government shutdowns of 1995-1996
could have led to the partisanship that is now gripping Washington.When the government shut down in 1995-96, the economy was booming, primarily
because of Silicon Valley, the burgeoning tech sector and Internet startups.
Unemployment was at 5.6% and most economic forecasts saw further growth.The same could not be said for the current state of this economy."(CNN)
"Cantor wrote a memo to his fellow Republicans in early September. In it, he
told them to expect a short-term continuing resolution to keep the government
open.Such a resolution, Cantor wrote, would be "at sequester
levels" and "contain $64 billion in less spending compared to the
current funding levels Obama signed into law a mere five months ago."If Obama signed off on that, Cantor continued, Obama "would be
endorsing a level of spending that wipes away all the increases he and
congressional Democrats made while they were in charge and returns us to a
pre-2008 level of discretionary spending."Cantor ended his memo
on an upbeat note. That leaves little doubt that Cantor saw a short-term
continuing resolution in a positive light. Cantor planned to bring
two measures to the floor. One would be the CR and the other would defund
Obamacare. Both items would go to the Senate separately with the expectation
that the Senate would pass the spending resolution and kill the
amendment."(Politifact)In sum, House leaders had a plan
which Reid agreed to--lower spending numbers, until the T-partiers rejected the
‘Most of what you hear about the shutdown is wrong’======== Only if you are listening to AM talk radio or FoxNews.The rest of the media is just about right on target.
@BadgerbadgerObama's approval rating has actually been flat the past
week in the Real Clear Politics average of recent polls compared to previous
weeks. Republicans however set record low approval ratings for their party in
the Gallup (29%) and NBC/WSJ (24%) polls. Democrats don't want this
shutdown, we just consider the tanking of the Republicans in the minds of
Americans to be a small consolation for having to deal with this nonsense.
@SCfanPolls show overwhelming public support for ending this shutdown.
That's why the Republican party has a 29% approval rating in Gallup (their
lowest in the history of Gallup polling).
How DARE you point out that the way the Media is painting this Mock-Crisis is
not reality???That's like saying the king has no clothes! We
all know it... just nobody DARES say it.
Irony Guy,What party held the White House during World War I, World
War II, Korea, and Vietnam? It appears you are limiting facts to make your
point, which is not factual.In reality, Democrats have made war at
least as often as Republicans.So which party is trying to work to
strengthen our nation today? Joint Chiefs of Staff said in 2010 that
US debt is greatest risk to our security. US paid $360 billion in interest in
2012. So far in 2013 we have paid $416 billion in interest. Which
party is, today, trying to reduce spending?I can help you:
Republicans, and specifically Tea Partiers.
English history was brought up earlier in the thread. Charles I was mentioned.
He was one of many kings that were held to account by other powerful groups: the
barons in the case of King John and his son Henry III and others; Parliament in
the case of Charles I; most of the nation and the army which refused to
recognize - James II; independent minded colonists in the case of George III.
In all these cases the king lost and the people were winners.The ACA
is opposed by a clear majority of the people and that majority is very likely to
increase markedly imo. The apparent greater expense of the premiums under ACA,
and the lower deductibles that are being reported will lead to far less people
being medically insured, not more. Is that what its supporters want? I
don't think so: I hope not. The Democrats are losing a lot of
core support as details of ACA appear. That's a pity because the
Republicans need a good opposition, as of course do the Democrats.
Let the liberals whine. They wanted the shut down, and it is dropping their
president's approval rating. The budget is being discussed in a way no one
could be bothered with for the past 5 years. Vital government
programs are up and running and things are actually looking up, a little. Maybe we can cut some of the wasteful spending and save our country from
bankruptcy. Naah, things are that good. Barry and Harry would never
go for that.
@ SCfan: You are confusing "recognizing" with "acknowledging" -
Obama is acknowledging a mistake he made - Romney can acknowledge his own
mistakes, but he cannot acknowledge mistakes made by others - nor can anyone
else.And there is a big difference between making a political vote
and doing what is right for the country - which Obama has learned but many
senators and representatives still don't seem to get. The majority of
Americans are opposed to the government shut down and using Obamacare as an
excuse for the government to not do its job - those who are truly concerned with
what is best for this country and doing what the citizens want would get over
Obamacare and get on with governing.There have been 40 votes to
repeal Obamacare - and they have never gotten anywhere near enough votes to
matter. It is time to move on.
Admittedly, both parties spend too much. But look what they spend it on. Dems
spend it on education and science and protecting the environment and lifting
people out of poverty: this is called investment. Republicans spend it on wars:
this is called psychosis.
KalindraThe only trouble with Obamas quote is the last part where he
says he was the FIRST to acknowledge it. Romney acknowledged it, as well as
many of todays current Govenors, Senators, and Congressmen do. Some even
Democrat. And the irony of that statement about political vote vs what is right
for the country (as he sees it, anyway,) he doesn't seem to realize that
that is exactly what he is now up against as President. Elected officials
representing the will of the people. The guy knew nothing when he became
President, and apparently has learned nothing in almost 5 years. Not good
How can you trust any thing that they say when they say the shut down wont
effect Vet's. Surprise, 25,00 wont be able to have death benefits, disabled
Vet's wont get their disability, retired Vet's lost their retirement.
Re: ". . . don't forget the deranged tax-and-spend
conservatives."Great point!ANY lawmaker that engages
in deranged liberal tax-and-spend tactics has forfeited the right to claim to be
a conservative.That's what the Tea Partiers have been preaching
for years. And we know it's begun to sink in when even die-hard liberals
begin to grasp the concept.
The shutdown could be ended tomorrow. The House has voted to fund the entire
government, minus Obamacare. Why must Obama and Reid hold the country hostage
over one bad law?
Procura -- don't forget the deranged tax-and-spend conservatives. Like
Michelle Bachmann and her trophy porkchop - a $200,000,000 bridge across the St.
Re: "Tea party radical spins are what created this mess."You
say it like it's a bad thing. Thank goodness someone finally has the . . .
uh . . . wherewithal, to stand up to the deranged tax-and-spend liberals!The "mess" you speak of -- $17T in deranged, intergenerational
debt, that we have absolutely nothing to show for -- was, in reality, created by
the liberals, of course, NOT the Tea Party. Tea Partiers and fiscal
conservatives should wear it as a badge of honor that they are being blamed by
feckless, reckless, disingenuous liberals for the act of finally pointing out
the emperor's state of undress.Real Americans carefully note
and greatly appreciate it.Liberals whine.
Tea party radical spins are what created this mess.
"The staff at the U.S. embassy in Caracas is still putting its fingers in
its ears and waggling them at the Venezuelan government."Good.
In the 1600's the English Parliament wanted to limit the King of
England's (Charles I?) power. He wanted to raise taxes for something or
other. He could not raise taxes without calling parliament into session. But
as soon as he did that they would vote to have limits on his power. So he did
all sort of budgeting tricks for ten years until he finally had to call them
into power where they did something to the effect of impeaching him. Something
like that.Yes, the Founding Fathers were aware of this action in
English history. Alexander Hamilton made the point that whoever controls the
money, ultimately will rule. Pres. Obama doesn't like being told no.
Congress is not staging a coup. It is in their power to do so. Now, having
said that, it may end up a big mess with our money being worthless, or it might
end up like the sequester, (the end of civilzation as we know it) but it is
still on-going and we stopped noticing it.
"I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a
senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator,
traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes
to be tagged as having increased the debt limit — for the United States by
a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we
can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the
United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a
political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And
I'm the first one to acknowledge it."15 April 2011 Good
Morning America interview, President Obama