BYU basketball: Cougars have high expectations for freshman Eric Mika

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  • Brimmer Wheatom, IL
    Oct. 14, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    I wish the Deseret News would create a filter to allow me to read comments. I have given up because so much resentment gets vetted.

    How about a button read only positives comments or read only negative comments or both. I don't care what BYU haters think and when there vitriolic is mixed in I leave for more pleasant pastures.

    Try it more people will read and comment if the negative comments can be selected out.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 5:38 p.m.


    They have a phenomenal gymnastics program

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 10, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @ BlueCoug

    "....leads the all-time series 149-145"

    Sorry BlueCoug, but if I corrected Siosifa34 than it will only be right and fair to correct you. BYU leads the series 129-125.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 10, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    @ Siosifa34

    "Utes have the better record against BYU head to head in both football and basketball."

    Big blunder on your part for not checking facts before opening up on these boards. Though Utah has the edge in head-to-head in football over the years, BYU leads in head-to-head in basketball 129-125, and it looks like that 4 game seperation is only going to get bigger as long as Coach Rose is coaching BYU. I think Utah's coach is much improved over the last one, but he's no Coach Rose. The issue is BYU has such a huge recruiting advantage in the state of Utah in basketball over Utah. The reason is BYU's recent tournament success and the success of Jimmer in college is still pretty fresh in recruits minds. Utah valley has really good high school basketball programs whose best players usually go BYU. Utah gets a couple really good players here and there from Utah (Loveridge and Chapman) but for every really good in-state player they get, BYU gets 4 as good as them in-state.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:32 a.m.


    BYU has won 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, and leads the all-time series 149-145.

    After playing only two college teams during the entire 1943-44 regular basketball season and then losing in the opening round of the premier tournament of the day, Utah won the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history, NOT a national championship.

    Both teams have played in 27 NCAA tournaments, but BYU's success during the Dave Rose era dwarfs Utah's.

    BYU 209-66(76%), 4 MWC championships, 6 NCAA tourneys, 8 20+ win seasons, consensus national POY

    Utah 116-137(46%), 1 MWC championship, 1 NCAA tourney, 1 20+ win season, 6 losing seasons

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 9:59 a.m.


    "Utes have the better record against BYU head to head in both football and basketball."

    False! Fail!


  • Siosifa34 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 6:58 a.m.

    Utes have the better record against BYU head to head in both football and basketball. Utes basketball has 4 final fours and a national championship as well as 27 (35-30 record) tourney appearances. Compare that to BYU who has 0 final fours and a terrible 15-30 record when reaching the tourney. Perhaps we should also look at the quality of players being drafted to the NBA... while BYU hasn't had a notable player in the NBA since Danny Ainge, Utah still has quality talent in the NBA with Andre Miller and Andrew Bogut. Sure Utah has been in a slump for the past decade and BYU has been on the rise but to say that Utah is anyone's little brother is crazy.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:44 p.m.


    Utah's NCs

    Coed Skiing, a sport dominated by Denver, in which only 4 FBS schools compete - Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming - last championship 2003

    Women's Gymnastics - last championship 1995

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 9, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Has Utah been competitive in any PAC 12 sport?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:24 p.m.


    Why are you here talking smack when the Utes have been pathetic since the last remnants of the Majerus era left Utah?

    During the Dave Rose era:

    BYU 209-66 (76%); eight 20+ win seasons, 6 NCAA tournaments, 4 conference championships,
    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12

    Utah 116-137 (46%); one 20+ win season, 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA tournament, 1 conference championship, 3 of 15 versus BYU

    Nowadays, the Utes have to schedule one of the most pathetic pre-season slates in college basketball, almost all at home, just to get to double-digit wins.

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    Listen guys, all Chris B has to hang his hat on is his conference affiliation - That's it! He is one of many on the road who have replaced their Utah flag with a PAC11+u flag!

    Gotta love it!

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Chris B,

    We know you love your PAC 10.2 membership, and admire your defense of conference invites as though that is the only true measure of greatness. Kind of like when Turkey and Greece were invited to the European Union, and started bragging about pastries, the Alps and how cool the Euro was. But most people still look at those failing countries teetering on bankruptcy as not a good thing at all.

    But whatever fuels your fire....

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Seriously, 3 of the first 10 posts on another BYU article. What a surprise. Not! Posting more on BYU articles than on Utah articles seems to tell us that you secretly admire (perhaps even covet) all things BYU. As such, welcome aboard.

    Will you promise not to post on any BYU basketball articles for a year if BYU beats Utah this year? You have the potential of making a lot of people happy with the right answer.

    Wiscougar used the last 4 years in basketball exactly the same way you always only use the last 4 years in football. Turnaround is fair play. Based on that history, criticizing him would be hypocritical.

    Regardless of anything to do with conferences, it's still a genuine pleasure to know that BYU still owns Utah on the courts much more than Utah can ever claim in football. 12 of 13... 7 in a row and counting. Marvelous. No matter how much you try spinning it, just remember than BYU is indisputably better than Utah. Life is good!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    Utah belonging to the PAC and bragging about it is tantamount to Puerto Rico beating their chest about belonging to the US. Waive all the flags you want, but in the end U are the red-headed step child who no one remembers or cares about.

    I'm excited to see Mika and how this team does this year. I'm also interested in seeing how Rose utilizes Collinsworth. Should be a fun year...oh, and I love my WCC membership! LOL

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    I'm looking forward to watching the Cougs and seeing the new pieces gel

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    BYU in the Dave Rose era...
    Number of NCAA tournament appearances: 6 of 8 (one sweet 16, two other first round wins), other two years were NIT appearances
    Ranked in the final polls: 2006 (#24), 2009 (#17), 2010 (#10), and just missed it in 2007 and 2008
    Conference titles: 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011
    Conference player of the year: 2007, 2008, 2011 (National player of the year 2011)
    NBA draft picks: 2, with a third signed to an NBA team and at least six others who are getting paid to play overseas
    20 win seasons: all eight
    Out-recruited little brother: eight of eight years (with three ESPN top 100 recruits in last two years).
    Highest rated recruit to come to any school in Utah in the last decade? Eric Mika.

    It's good to be a cougarfan!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Excuse me folks, Chrissie was the one who started this nonsense about how many wcc getting in. He can messed up our Cougar Nation minds. The article was about Mika potential and other little subject like Worthington mild injury on his anckles. NOTHING was said about how many wcc will get in the ncaa talk stuff. Get it over with this nonsense what Chrissie said. And again, JUST IGNORE HIM (reading and responding)! You guys keep it up with him/her then I will no longer look at comment section (well, I already decided - I am done with comment section)! Go ahead Chrissie, laugh whatever you want.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:38 p.m.


    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 12 of 15 during the Dave Rose era, 149-145 overall

    Regardless of your conference affiliation, BYU owns U in basketball.

    btw, the Utes are 8-28 in their first two seasons in the PAC.

    Living in the reflected light of accomplished programs doesn't prove anything.

    It's been almost a decade since the Utes won an NCAA tourney game.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:23 p.m.


    Seriously buddy you've lost the last 11 out of 12. This is very embarassing! I would stick to trolling football articles. Its been almost embarrasing lately.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    Cris B,

    How long has there been a PAC12?
    How long has Utah been a member of the PAC12?
    That is the reason for the four year comparison between the 2 conferences!
    BYU and Utah have only been in the different conferences for that length of time!!!
    Do you get it now?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Chrissy - quit while you are still ahead. Oh, wait, you never were ahead.

  • skitter Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Samwise, chris b. is neither a pac 12 fan nor a utes fan. He is a BYU hater pure and simple. How his antoganistic comments are construed as "civil dialogue" I will never understand. The WCC is a good conference not great. The Pac 12 is sometimes great, sometimes just good. But in the end none of that matters. Only the tourney matters and we are consistantly in.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:32 p.m.


    Why just mention the last 4 years when you listed the WCC invites the last 13 years?

    Spin, spin

  • armchair quarterback DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    Well my big brother can beat up your big brother!...that's what I hear when people run their mouth about their conference. Who cares? Who are these people that put conference stickers on their rear windows? When it says champion underneath it it will start to mean something. Cheer for your team and stick to their merits when you are feeling like you want to be a proud fan. If they haven't done anything recently to brag about....keep cheering for them anyways. No need to disparage the other teams in the state.

    This article was about BYU Basketball. Their team has done plenty in recent years to be proud of and the future looks bright on the Provo hardwood. I think Mika looks very promising. It will be fun to see how he does against D1 collegiate competition. He definitely has the tools to succeed.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    Chris B,

    No one is claiming that the WCC is consistently better than the Pac 12. But, correct me if I am wrong, I thought you were a Utah fan, not a Pac 12 fan. I am a BYU fan, not a WCC fan and BYU has been better than Utah at basketball for a while now. Also, in defense of the WCC, I think it has been proven that your claim that they are a one bid league is completely false, considering the fact that they have averaged about 2.5 bids since 2000 and never had one bid during that time. Again, no one is claiming that the WCC is a better basketball conference than the Pac 12. But I would rather be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the WCC than the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the Pac 12.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Using Chris B's constant expression in regards to BYU-Utah football rivalry can be used in BYU-Utah basketball rivalry:

    "You may say we're bad but your worse"

    7 straight and 11 of the last 12. Nuff said!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    "And how times in that span has the Weak Cost Conference had more than the Pac 12?"

    Two of the last four years.

    How many times has Utah gone dancing over that span? I'll give you a hint: it's far less than the cougars. It's got to be rough being the doormat of such an excellent conference.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    It is expected that ALL of the games will be played on the court again this year!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:03 p.m.


    And how times in that span has the Weak Cost Conference had more than the Pac 12?


  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    3 NCAA invites from a 10 team WCC is about the same percentage as 4 NCAA invites from a 12 team PAC.

    But the truth be known, I care more about whether my Cougs get an invite than I do about how many invites come from the conference. If the WCC only gets 1 invite and it's my Cougs, I'm happy. However, if U are a particular Ute fan / troll, U probably have to focus on the number of conference invites since it's been so long since U've been invited to anything. And there are no invites for U on the horizon.

    I'm very excited about Mika's potential, but let's remember he is a Freshman. He will develop as the season progresses, but he's not going to be a star on day 1. Haws will be the leading scorer again this year.

    Unlike U, we have some difficult non-conference games. I think BYU will be about where we were last year with about 25 wins and probably an NCAA bubble team.

    But the future is very bright indeed!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Chris B.

    "So is 3 teams your conference's down years or up? You're saying the Pac 12 had 2 team in a down year and in your best years the WCC had 3? LOL?"

    You must have put the question mark after your LOL because you are totally confused. Let me help... the WCC (including BYU and Pacific) have not been a one bid league since before the turn of the century.

    2013: 3
    2012: 3
    2011: 3
    2010: 3
    2009: 2
    2008: 3
    2007: 2
    2006: 2
    2005: 3
    2004: 2
    2003: 3
    2002: 2
    2001: 2
    2000: 2

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    @ Chris B

    Hey Chris you guys have lost 11 of the last 12 games we have played. You have little credibility around here. your senior and your seniors seniors have never beat BYU. You would've lost to Lone Peak High if you played them.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Just ignore Chrissie

    Dave Rose see Mika very promising which is good. We will find out how his first game play out and we'll go from there. Looking foward to new season and I HOPE Matt Carlino has matured during off season.

  • WisCoug VERONA, WI
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    This team is going to rely heavily on 3 players that are HUGE question marks in my mind.

    1. Kyle Collinsworth - He was a complementary player that "started" some games and will be expected to play a number of wing positions this season as well as to defend the best wing player for all (or nearly all) of BYU's opponents this year. That is asking a lot of a newl returned missionary who is trying to find his rhythm again.

    2. Eric Mika - Say what you will, he is still a freshman and he is coming in to replace an all-time top-10 player at BYU (at least statistically) in Brandon Davies. Mika may do many things well, but don't expect Davies-like numbers from him just yet.

    3. The velociraptor himself, Nate Austin - Austin lacks the mass necessary to effectively defend in the paint and his outside game offensively is too streaky to legitimately be viewed as a mismatch for most team's 4. BYU is shallow in the front court (Austin, Mika, Worthington, Sharp...) so the most important thing for him is to stay out of foul trouble, which goes against his nature.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:27 a.m.


    So is 3 teams your conference's down years or up?

    You're saying the Pac 12 had 2 team in a down year and in your best years the WCC had 3?


  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Chris B.

    The PAC-12 is probably a three bid conference. But there is one thing for sure, the bid winners will all be standing on a Ute doormat.

    LOL and have a great day.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Yeah I was going to say the same thing, didn't the WCC send like 3 teams to the tourney 2 years ago? And I guess the interim years as well...seems like they get respect enough, especially Gonzaga and St. Mary's in there...

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Chris B.

    Why do you think that the WCC is all of a sudden a one bid league?

    Teams currently in the WCC that made tournament appearances in...

    2013: 3 (St. Mary's, Gonzaga, Pacific)
    2012: 3 (St. Mary's, Gonzaga, BYU)
    2011: 3 (St. Mary's, Gonzaga, BYU)

    Sure, conferences have down years (the PAC-12 only had two bids in 2012)... why do you think that this will be a down year for the WCC? I'd love to hear your analysis.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Down Under,

    You're the third best team in a one bid Weak Coast Conference.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    BYU will be a sweet 16 team this year and will continue its dominance over the utes. The future looks VERY bright for the Cougars.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    Mika is likely better right now than Davies ever was, or will be. He will make everyone forget Davies in about five minutes of play.