I wish the Deseret News would create a filter to allow me to read comments. I
have given up because so much resentment gets vetted.How about a
button read only positives comments or read only negative comments or both. I
don't care what BYU haters think and when there vitriolic is mixed in I
leave for more pleasant pastures.Try it more people will read and
comment if the negative comments can be selected out.
@worfThey have a phenomenal gymnastics program
@ BlueCoug"....leads the all-time series 149-145"Sorry BlueCoug, but if I corrected Siosifa34 than it will only be right and
fair to correct you. BYU leads the series 129-125.
@ Siosifa34"Utes have the better record against BYU head to head
in both football and basketball."Big blunder on your part for
not checking facts before opening up on these boards. Though Utah has the edge
in head-to-head in football over the years, BYU leads in head-to-head in
basketball 129-125, and it looks like that 4 game seperation is only going to
get bigger as long as Coach Rose is coaching BYU. I think Utah's coach is
much improved over the last one, but he's no Coach Rose. The issue is BYU
has such a huge recruiting advantage in the state of Utah in basketball over
Utah. The reason is BYU's recent tournament success and the success of
Jimmer in college is still pretty fresh in recruits minds. Utah valley has
really good high school basketball programs whose best players usually go BYU.
Utah gets a couple really good players here and there from Utah (Loveridge and
Chapman) but for every really good in-state player they get, BYU gets 4 as good
as them in-state.
Siosifa34BYU has won 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, and leads the
all-time series 149-145.After playing only two college teams during
the entire 1943-44 regular basketball season and then losing in the opening
round of the premier tournament of the day, Utah won the most watered-down NCAA
tournament in history, NOT a national championship.Both teams have
played in 27 NCAA tournaments, but BYU's success during the Dave Rose era
dwarfs Utah's.BYU 209-66(76%), 4 MWC championships, 6 NCAA
tourneys, 8 20+ win seasons, consensus national POYUtah
116-137(46%), 1 MWC championship, 1 NCAA tourney, 1 20+ win season, 6 losing
@siosifa34"Utes have the better record against BYU head to head
in both football and basketball."False! Fail!LOL!
Utes have the better record against BYU head to head in both football and
basketball. Utes basketball has 4 final fours and a national championship as
well as 27 (35-30 record) tourney appearances. Compare that to BYU who has 0
final fours and a terrible 15-30 record when reaching the tourney. Perhaps we
should also look at the quality of players being drafted to the NBA... while BYU
hasn't had a notable player in the NBA since Danny Ainge, Utah still has
quality talent in the NBA with Andre Miller and Andrew Bogut. Sure Utah has been
in a slump for the past decade and BYU has been on the rise but to say that Utah
is anyone's little brother is crazy.
ThomasJeffersonUtah's NCsCoed Skiing, a sport
dominated by Denver, in which only 4 FBS schools compete - Utah, Colorado, New
Mexico, and Wyoming - last championship 2003Women's Gymnastics
- last championship 1995
Has Utah been competitive in any PAC 12 sport?
christyWhy are you here talking smack when the Utes have been
pathetic since the last remnants of the Majerus era left Utah?During
the Dave Rose era:BYU 209-66 (76%); eight 20+ win seasons, 6 NCAA
tournaments, 4 conference championships, 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12Utah 116-137 (46%); one 20+ win season, 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA
tournament, 1 conference championship, 3 of 15 versus BYUNowadays,
the Utes have to schedule one of the most pathetic pre-season slates in college
basketball, almost all at home, just to get to double-digit wins.
Listen guys, all Chris B has to hang his hat on is his conference affiliation -
That's it! He is one of many on the road who have replaced their Utah flag
with a PAC11+u flag!Gotta love it!
Chris B,We know you love your PAC 10.2 membership, and admire your
defense of conference invites as though that is the only true measure of
greatness. Kind of like when Turkey and Greece were invited to the European
Union, and started bragging about pastries, the Alps and how cool the Euro was.
But most people still look at those failing countries teetering on bankruptcy as
not a good thing at all.But whatever fuels your fire....
@ Chris B:Seriously, 3 of the first 10 posts on another BYU article.
What a surprise. Not! Posting more on BYU articles than on Utah articles seems
to tell us that you secretly admire (perhaps even covet) all things BYU. As
such, welcome aboard.Will you promise not to post on any BYU
basketball articles for a year if BYU beats Utah this year? You have the
potential of making a lot of people happy with the right answer.Wiscougar used the last 4 years in basketball exactly the same way you always
only use the last 4 years in football. Turnaround is fair play. Based on that
history, criticizing him would be hypocritical.Regardless of
anything to do with conferences, it's still a genuine pleasure to know that
BYU still owns Utah on the courts much more than Utah can ever claim in
football. 12 of 13... 7 in a row and counting. Marvelous. No matter how much you
try spinning it, just remember than BYU is indisputably better than Utah. Life
Utah belonging to the PAC and bragging about it is tantamount to Puerto Rico
beating their chest about belonging to the US. Waive all the flags you want, but
in the end U are the red-headed step child who no one remembers or cares
about.I'm excited to see Mika and how this team does this year.
I'm also interested in seeing how Rose utilizes Collinsworth. Should be a
fun year...oh, and I love my WCC membership! LOL
I'm looking forward to watching the Cougs and seeing the new pieces gel
BYU in the Dave Rose era...Number of NCAA tournament appearances: 6 of 8
(one sweet 16, two other first round wins), other two years were NIT
appearancesRanked in the final polls: 2006 (#24), 2009 (#17), 2010 (#10),
and just missed it in 2007 and 2008Conference titles: 2007, 2008, 2009,
2011Conference player of the year: 2007, 2008, 2011 (National player of
the year 2011)NBA draft picks: 2, with a third signed to an NBA team and
at least six others who are getting paid to play overseas20 win seasons:
all eightOut-recruited little brother: eight of eight years (with three
ESPN top 100 recruits in last two years). Highest rated recruit to come to
any school in Utah in the last decade? Eric Mika.It's good to
be a cougarfan!
Excuse me folks, Chrissie was the one who started this nonsense about how many
wcc getting in. He can messed up our Cougar Nation minds. The article was about
Mika potential and other little subject like Worthington mild injury on his
anckles. NOTHING was said about how many wcc will get in the ncaa talk stuff.
Get it over with this nonsense what Chrissie said. And again, JUST IGNORE HIM
(reading and responding)! You guys keep it up with him/her then I will no longer
look at comment section (well, I already decided - I am done with comment
section)! Go ahead Chrissie, laugh whatever you want.
christy7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 12 of 15 during the Dave Rose
era, 149-145 overallRegardless of your conference affiliation, BYU
owns U in basketball.btw, the Utes are 8-28 in their first two
seasons in the PAC.Living in the reflected light of accomplished
programs doesn't prove anything.It's been almost a decade
since the Utes won an NCAA tourney game.
@ChrisBSeriously buddy you've lost the last 11 out of 12. This
is very embarassing! I would stick to trolling football articles. Its been
almost embarrasing lately.
Cris B,How long has there been a PAC12?How long has Utah been
a member of the PAC12?That is the reason for the four year comparison
between the 2 conferences!BYU and Utah have only been in the different
conferences for that length of time!!!Do you get it now?
Chrissy - quit while you are still ahead. Oh, wait, you never were ahead.
Samwise, chris b. is neither a pac 12 fan nor a utes fan. He is a BYU hater
pure and simple. How his antoganistic comments are construed as "civil
dialogue" I will never understand. The WCC is a good conference not great.
The Pac 12 is sometimes great, sometimes just good. But in the end none of that
matters. Only the tourney matters and we are consistantly in.
Wiscougar,Why just mention the last 4 years when you listed the WCC
invites the last 13 years?Spin, spin
Well my big brother can beat up your big brother!...that's what I hear when
people run their mouth about their conference. Who cares? Who are these people
that put conference stickers on their rear windows? When it says champion
underneath it it will start to mean something. Cheer for your team and stick to
their merits when you are feeling like you want to be a proud fan. If they
haven't done anything recently to brag about....keep cheering for them
anyways. No need to disparage the other teams in the state. This
article was about BYU Basketball. Their team has done plenty in recent years to
be proud of and the future looks bright on the Provo hardwood. I think Mika
looks very promising. It will be fun to see how he does against D1 collegiate
competition. He definitely has the tools to succeed.
Chris B,No one is claiming that the WCC is consistently better than
the Pac 12. But, correct me if I am wrong, I thought you were a Utah fan, not a
Pac 12 fan. I am a BYU fan, not a WCC fan and BYU has been better than Utah at
basketball for a while now. Also, in defense of the WCC, I think it has been
proven that your claim that they are a one bid league is completely false,
considering the fact that they have averaged about 2.5 bids since 2000 and never
had one bid during that time. Again, no one is claiming that the WCC is a better
basketball conference than the Pac 12. But I would rather be the 2nd or 3rd best
team in the WCC than the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the Pac 12.
Using Chris B's constant expression in regards to BYU-Utah football rivalry
can be used in BYU-Utah basketball rivalry:"You may say
we're bad but your worse"7 straight and 11 of the last 12.
RE: Chris B. "And how times in that span has the Weak Cost
Conference had more than the Pac 12?"Two of the last four years.
How many times has Utah gone dancing over that span? I'll give
you a hint: it's far less than the cougars. It's got to be rough
being the doormat of such an excellent conference.
It is expected that ALL of the games will be played on the court again this
Wiscouar,And how times in that span has the Weak Cost Conference had
more than the Pac 12?LOL!
3 NCAA invites from a 10 team WCC is about the same percentage as 4 NCAA invites
from a 12 team PAC.But the truth be known, I care more about whether
my Cougs get an invite than I do about how many invites come from the
conference. If the WCC only gets 1 invite and it's my Cougs, I'm
happy. However, if U are a particular Ute fan / troll, U probably have to focus
on the number of conference invites since it's been so long since U've
been invited to anything. And there are no invites for U on the horizon.I'm very excited about Mika's potential, but let's
remember he is a Freshman. He will develop as the season progresses, but
he's not going to be a star on day 1. Haws will be the leading scorer
again this year.Unlike U, we have some difficult non-conference
games. I think BYU will be about where we were last year with about 25 wins and
probably an NCAA bubble team. But the future is very bright indeed!
Chris B. "So is 3 teams your conference's down years or up?
You're saying the Pac 12 had 2 team in a down year and in your best years
the WCC had 3? LOL?"You must have put the question mark after
your LOL because you are totally confused. Let me help... the WCC (including
BYU and Pacific) have not been a one bid league since before the turn of the
century. 2013: 32012: 32011: 32010: 32009:
22008: 32007: 22006: 22005: 32004: 22003:
32002: 22001: 22000: 2
@ Chris B Hey Chris you guys have lost 11 of the last 12 games we
have played. You have little credibility around here. your senior and your
seniors seniors have never beat BYU. You would've lost to Lone Peak High
if you played them.
Just ignore ChrissieDave Rose see Mika very promising which is good.
We will find out how his first game play out and we'll go from there.
Looking foward to new season and I HOPE Matt Carlino has matured during off
This team is going to rely heavily on 3 players that are HUGE question marks in
my mind. 1. Kyle Collinsworth - He was a complementary player that
"started" some games and will be expected to play a number of wing
positions this season as well as to defend the best wing player for all (or
nearly all) of BYU's opponents this year. That is asking a lot of a newl
returned missionary who is trying to find his rhythm again.2. Eric
Mika - Say what you will, he is still a freshman and he is coming in to replace
an all-time top-10 player at BYU (at least statistically) in Brandon Davies.
Mika may do many things well, but don't expect Davies-like numbers from him
just yet.3. The velociraptor himself, Nate Austin - Austin lacks
the mass necessary to effectively defend in the paint and his outside game
offensively is too streaky to legitimately be viewed as a mismatch for most
team's 4. BYU is shallow in the front court (Austin, Mika, Worthington,
Sharp...) so the most important thing for him is to stay out of foul trouble,
which goes against his nature.
Wiscouarfan,So is 3 teams your conference's down years or
up?You're saying the Pac 12 had 2 team in a down year and in
your best years the WCC had 3?LOL?
Chris B.The PAC-12 is probably a three bid conference. But there is
one thing for sure, the bid winners will all be standing on a Ute doormat.LOL and have a great day.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing, didn't the WCC send like 3 teams to
the tourney 2 years ago? And I guess the interim years as well...seems like
they get respect enough, especially Gonzaga and St. Mary's in there...
Chris B.Why do you think that the WCC is all of a sudden a one bid
league? Teams currently in the WCC that made tournament appearances
in...2013: 3 (St. Mary's, Gonzaga, Pacific)2012: 3 (St.
Mary's, Gonzaga, BYU)2011: 3 (St. Mary's, Gonzaga, BYU)Sure, conferences have down years (the PAC-12 only had two bids in 2012)...
why do you think that this will be a down year for the WCC? I'd love to
hear your analysis.
Down Under,You're the third best team in a one bid Weak Coast
BYU will be a sweet 16 team this year and will continue its dominance over the
utes. The future looks VERY bright for the Cougars.
Mika is likely better right now than Davies ever was, or will be. He will make
everyone forget Davies in about five minutes of play.