Commentary: BYU's Tom Holmoe deserves a hat tip for scheduling Stanford, among others

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  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2013 6:23 a.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT
    Heh, so much for the conspiracy theory that anti-Mormon bigotry from Stanford kept BYU out of the PAC.

    In the conference and playing a game are two different things. BYU's stance against Sunday play -- one all their fans agree with -- is what has kept and is keeping BYU out of a conference they would be willing to be part of.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Heh, so much for the conspiracy theory that anti-Mormon bigotry from Stanford kept BYU out of the PAC.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 12:48 p.m.


    IF byu were to win out AND go undefeated next year?


    When was the last time byu won 20 games in a row? You guys couldn't go undefeated in the mwc, and now your scheldue is supposed to be so much harder and you think you have a chance to go undefeated?


  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Chris B,
    You are correct the power conferences are putting a strangle hold on who is allowed access to the new playoffs and yes Utah is in a power conference but the way Utah is playing and not winning conference games they have a worse chance then BYU of getting in the playoffs!!! If BYU were to win out this year they would be highly ranked and receive preseason votes in the polls next year and if they went undefeated next year they would probably be ranked high enough to get a spot in the playoffs just like the formula that lead to the NC title in 84!!!
    Go BYU beat GT!!!
    Go Stanford beat Utah!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 8:24 a.m.


    Jealous much?

    After the "BCS" ends where do you think the next national champion will come from?

    Power conferences

    Next one?

    Power conferences

    Next one?

    Power conferences

    Next one?

    Power Conferences

    Spin it any way you want, Utah is IN, byu is OUT

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    @Floyd Johnson
    "Independence has been great for out of state fans like myself"

    Couldn't agree more! Independence, ESPN and teams like Notre Dame, BSU and others willing to schedule us have made the past seasons 100X better than being chained to the MWC.

    Holmoe is doing a great job, and he is True Blue. I've loved hearing his EdWeek meetings on the occasions when we can be up there dropping off kids for school. He's a straight shooter, wicked-smart, and fully invested former student, player, fan and parent. We're lucky to have him.

    For those delusional wretches who persist in thinking than another Utah-based school will sniff a NC game as the new co-doormat of a shiny-fancy BCS conference, I can only smile at my computer screen whenever they pop off. It's how you play as well as who you play.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    at ronald - Ivy league schools are in the FCS division for football and don't often play bodybag games against D-1 teams. Middle Tennessee St. is at least FBS. Last season they beat Ga. tech. Although, I think BYU ought to try to schedule the best FCS teams possible when they have to play an FCS team. Like it would be a good game to play Eastern Washington this season.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Oct. 9, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    I have a suggestion:

    For the (give me) games, instead of scheduling teams like South-East Section of Tim Buck Too,
    or Tripple Middle Tennessee, why not try to get schools like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and the like. These are (give me) games that have name recognition and would be far more interesting than playing schools that we have never heard of before.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:42 p.m.


    If byu's goal is to play in a national championship, shouldn't they put together a schedule that will allow that?

    What national title game participant in recent history has had a schedule similar to byu's?



    And usu is worse.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    HAHAHAHA Power conf teams chris? That has NOTHING to do with it... who cares if they play a bunch of power conference dogs (see utah)

    its about strength and ranking of the teams, not the conference they are in.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 1:14 p.m.


    I agree its not worse than a MWC lineup. It's just vastly inferior to any schedule that the 60+ power conference teams have.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    As far as the National Championship: all National Championships (for the foreseeable future) will be won by the SEC. Any other conference affiliation is irrelevant. I cringe every time I hear the suggestion that BYU join a conference. Independence has been great for out of state fans like myself and The Solution. Every game is televised. With games spread throughout the country, there is a greater likelihood that we will be able to drive to a game at least every other year. That "accessibility" has been the real benefit. Gone are the days of locking ourselves into Direct TV contracts to watch five football games each year.

    For those critical of the 2014 schedule, it isn't any worse than the old MWC lineup.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Nice job, Tom. Yes, it's a challenge to build your own schedule as an indie and it is impossible to predict how good any given team will be in 3-5 years. Just don't schedule any in-state patsies.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:56 a.m.


    When did I suggest Cal wasn't in a BCS conference?

    Good luck!

  • The Solution Dayton, OH
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    I have thoroughly enjoyed watching BYU play all over the country as an Indy. BYU is making more money then they ever have in the past with their partnership in ESPN. Most people recognize BYU as a top mid-major program. It will be great when that changes, but until then I do not have to unrealistically believe that BYU should be NC contenders every year. I just want to see progress to that goal until it is eventually achieved. We just hit the reset button at the end of last year, so take a deep breath and enjoy the rest of this season, which could realistically be a strong 11-2 top 25 ranked season. Then we can build from there.


  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:45 a.m.


    Unless you are calling the PAC-10+2 a Non BCS Conference you should probably update your comment above. Last I checked, Cal was in the PAC-10+2 and part of a BCS Conference. Also, the BCS stuff is going to go by the wayside here very shortly as the new format takes place. It will allow for that one team to break in. And I know you do not have a team that breaks in sine Utah did it. So I know you give validity to those teams that do. And Utah did it with a WAC like schedule also. So there is hope for these Cougar fans, despite the schedule. Just some words to the wise.


  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    I'm grateful that I can still watch old BYU football games from the time they were great and had a QB who could hit a dime 30 yards away. Nowadays, we get QBs who couldn't hit the chest of a receiver standing still at half that distance.

    BYU is not a national football powerhouse anymore. In comparison to all the BCS teams in the nation, they would be in the lower half. Could they fit into a BCS conference? Sure, if it weren't for the fact BYU thinks they're elite and deserve special treatment. As such, no one wants them in their league.

    They should have happily stayed put in the MWC. At least there was something to play for. Now, it's either national championship or bust. And after game one this season, it was bust.

    They need a conference. And until they get one, I'll hold off on patting Tom Holmoe's back for scheduling Savannah Smiles State.

  • Horrible Stumper Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Chris B - Boy I never thought I would agree with you, but in this case I do. BYU's 2014 schedule, even if they win all of their games is such a cupcake schedule that no one would dare put them in the national title game. Cal and Virginia are among the worst teams in their conference, and Texas is a mid-level Big 12 team at best, even if they do have all those 5 star recruits. BYU has to up their game substantially to get a whiff of a National Championship.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    This is one of the few times that Chris B is right. BYU's 2014 schedule is pretty weak. The author touts UConn and Virginia as being two of the highlights of the 2014 schedule? that shows the 2014 schedule is pretty weak - UConn is 0-4 this season with a loss to an average FCS team. Virginia is showing itself again this season to be a BCS bottom-feeder. 2014 is the unfortunate type of schedule where BYU could go undefeated and still not make it into the 4-team playoff. but 2015 should be more back on track with Nebraska and Michigan. On the bright side it might be great timing for BYU if Southern Miss which is on an 18 game losing streak backs out of its 2014-2015 series with BYU.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    I don't think that higher caliber teams will be reticient to schedule BYU in the future, because of BYU's ESPN contract...if those teams want to get an invitation to the collegiate playoffs, then they need good media exposure, which they get anticipate getting by playing on ESPN (obviously they'd hope to *beat down* BYU, but the cougars have other plans we presume). So I think they'd still be interested in playing in Provo, even late in the season.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Let's see:

    Bronco talks yearly about winning a national championship. And lets look at the 2014 schedule Tom put together and see if that bodes well(in the one in a million chance byu could ever go undefeated)

    1. Cal
    2. Texas
    3. Virginia.
    4. non BCS team
    5. non BCS team
    6. non BCS team
    7. non BCS team
    8. non BCS team
    9. non BCS team
    10. non BCS team
    11. non BCS team
    12. non BCS team

    3 power conference team. 9 non power conference teams.

    Tell me byu fans, when was the last time a team only had 3 BCS opponents and made it to the national title game?


    What a weak schedule.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 9, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Silent Lurker

    Take off the crimson glasses sometime and step into reality.

    NOBODY considers BYU an easy win, including Chris Hill, Utah's athletic director, who said the reason he dropped BYU for a couple of years was because he didn't think the Utes were good enough to handle playing BYU and Michigan OOC in the same year.

    btw, NONE of BYU's games with PAC 12 teams have been one-and-dones. Your silly spin loses all credibility win you blatantly mis-represent the facts.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    There are not many schools in the country that can handle being independent. I'm proud that BYU has shown that they have the muster to do it and I'm sure that as the years go by they will reach the level Notre Dame has now. But who has time to wait? The reality is that with the BCS system as is, it will be harder and harder to schedule big name teams for us to play let alone having them come to Provo. So the only real answer is to join a conference, and I hope Holmoe is working towards that. Until then, I'm hoping my Cougars remain focus on winning. It's the only real key to gain prominence and respect.

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    Not so fast leaf, it's true that BYU has some entertaining games scheduled but at the same time they are also having to play five or six gimme games each year. That is the only way they can become bowl eligible. As far as scheduling Pac 12 opponents take a closer look and you will see a unbalanced schedule among the Pac which enables them to schedule a soft game because of the schedule. In which case BYU is a perfect match. They are considered an easy win, travel is short, they bring the some extra Mormon fans, and they are an easy buy out if needed. Other notable out of area teams are one and done's or two for one's. At a closer look it isn't what you claim.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:45 a.m.

    Zoniezoobie shouldn't speak for all BYU fans. When he says "What WE are hoping for," he really means "What I am hoping for,"

    As for me, I like the independence we have. I look forward to playing more prominent teams from a wider geographical area throughout the year.

    With that said, he is right about what happens if we lose just one game.. but that part falls to the team and coaches to assure we put the best possible team together and play without error in every game.

    Go Cougars!

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2013 9:09 p.m.

    Great story except for the Savannah State part. I appreciate the refresher on how we got here. What we are hoping for, is a return to a conference in the next year or so, which would probably activate the escape clause in all these agreements. Big games are great, but one loss and we are out of the running.